Discussion in 'Law and Justice System' started by Midnight Marauder, Jun 26, 2009.
This is no surprise, both Obama and the AG have said as much a few times the last several weeks.
Gee, seems that Obama phoned Bush for advice! lol
Obama is the biggest poser to ever sit in the White House!
This is just SO WRONG.
Doesn't matter who does it, it's totally completely wrong wrong wrong.
Eric Holder says it's necessary, because some of the Gitmo detainees are simply too dangerous to ever be allowed to walk free. Because of what they know in the areas of chemical and biological weapons and/or bomb making. Because of the damage they could potentially do.
Lost in all of this? Obama still has the legal option to keep Gitmo open. They carefully crafted the legislation, to give him a loophole. Bet on it still being open, just to house these ones deemed too dangerous to ever let go. They gotta keep 'em somewhere.
Then we should charge them for their crimes.
Allowing our government to imprison people without charge, and to permanently imprison them based on their POTENTIAL to do harm is wrong, totally WRONG.
The next step if we allow this to happen to aliens is that American citizens will find themselves imprisoned for their potential to do harm, too.
Maybe Obama won't take that step, but eventually some disaster or terrorist attack will be so bad that some administration will decide that we must imprison potential threats and then we will no longer be a nation of citizens, we will have become a nation of prisoners.
That already happened, with Japanese Americans after Pearl Harbor. Remember the interment camps? Know how the government knew where they all were? So they could round them all up? The census!
Enemy combatants should be killed where they are found, on the battlefield. NONE of them should ever be prosecuted.
The problem we have today is, the ones who "arrested" these combatants aren't allowed to talk, aren't allowed to give their side, where did we find this guy, what was he doing, etc. Makes prosecution impossible. Also, many of the detainees at Gitmo haven't even identified themselves yet! Got to have a name to get an indictment!
The previous administration viewed this as a war against belligerent enemies. This one views it as criminal activity, against neighbors with a beef. Just like the Clinton Administration and pretty much every one before it, did.
Holder and crew will most likely quietly ship off these "2dangerous2release" detainees to some half-allied country who will put them to work in a manual gravel factory for the rest of their lives and be paid 100s of millions by us to do it. And all of this because the name "Gitmo" has a negative emotional connotation. Where in reality, it's one of the most humane, best-kept, well-run and most secure prisons on the planet.
I mean heck, they even have internet and satellite TV there now! It's club fucking MED compared to supermax, or any prison anywhere else in the world.
Would you feel better if they were released into Afghanistan, to, if they wish, disappear and live out a quiet life? Or if they choose, rejoin the battle as so many released Gitmo detainees have? I think we should load them up and parachute-drop them right into the war zone and let them take their chances.
If they are dangerous terrorists but then on trial,convict and execute them. I dont have a problem with that. Indefinite detention w/o trial is just plain wrong
Military tribunals? Obama's still doing that, where applicable. He's doing Federal Court, where applicable. Ones you cannot try, because you don't even know who they are, but you know they are highly trained in mass death and destruction?
You make it all sound sooooo simple, much like Obama did until he learned what he was talking about. Then suddenly, did just exactly what Boooosh was doing!
and yesterday, more 'transparency' for those die hard supporters, of which Glen Greenwald is exempted:
The Obama justice system - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com
Proving once again that Hillary would have been the better choice.
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