Obama in space

lol thats funny the last time i was there you was handing them out...

No not part of the tinfoil hat crowd. I don't have any invisible friend who is all powerful hiding away somewhere watching me all the time because he loves me but wants to torture me forever and ever if I don't believe in him, but he only wants me to have faith so he's not going to give me evidence to believe in him.

;)
 
How is a base on the moon or colonizing Mars going to benefit people ?
(and I'm not talking about the incidental things they dream up along the way like Tang)

A base on the moon ensures we remain active and forward thinking in space. How does that help us? Ever hear of the Asteroid belt? It is full of resources.

Personally the only reason I support a trip to Mars is so we learn long flight time in space so we can work to reach the Asteroid belt. No telling what new things we may find out there, not to mention all the things we already need.
 
IX. A COMMITMENT TO FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY
Barack Obama’s early education and K-12 plan package costs about $18 billion per year. He will maintain fiscal responsibility and prevent any increase in the deficit by offsetting cuts and revenue sources in other parts of the government. The early education plan will be paid for by delaying the NASA Constellation Program for five years, using purchase cards and the negotiating power of the government to reduce costs of standardized procurement, auctioning surplus federal property, and reducing the erroneous payments identified by the Government Accountability Office, and closing the CEO pay deductibility loophole. The rest of the plan will be funded using a small portion of the savings associated with fighting the war in Iraq.

It took me a while, but I found what I was looking for, so let me see if I can get this right, retire the shuttle in 2010, or extend it's flight status to two more flights, and then allow Ares development to slow down an additional 5 years past it's slated in service date of 2015 . So that's 10 year without a capability to launch our own people into space and having to ask Russia or other countries for that capability. Further, in 10 years, countries like China, India, Russia, Japan, and others would have developed moon programs and manned lifting capabilities. I see, so then the United State bascially becomes a third world space power, and from a national security stand point we also ceed the high ground for a 10 year period to others.

http://obama.3cdn.net/a8dfc36246b3dcc3cb_iem6bxpgh.pdf

The payment is at the very end of the education policy, and is buried very deep in it.
 
I think NASA's sci fi plans for space can be put on hold. Since it's inevitable, I propose we use NASA funding to subsidize alternative energy.

It could of course be me but isn't that what was expected to be done with the monies given as tax breaks for those very same oil companies? No wait that money was for buying up their own stock. Hmmmm?
 
The Chinese government has spent billions of dollars in recent years building up a space program that it hopes will help China establish a space station by 2020 and eventually will put a man on the moon, accomplishments that would certainly bring the country international prestige.

The launching of Shenzhou VII from Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center in Gansu Province, which is in western China, was shown live on state television.

At a ceremony before the launching, President Hu Jintao praised the space project’s effort. “You will definitely accomplish this glorious and sacred mission,” he told the astronauts before the launching. “The motherland and the people are looking forward to your triumphant return.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/26/world/asia/26space.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

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Thats China's first spacewalk, it seems China is following a model that was laid down that lead to the Apollo program.
 
Sen. Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic candidate for president, held a town hall meeting near the Kennedy Space Center today and vowed strong support for NASA, saying he favors at least one shuttle flight beyond the 10 missions left on the agency's manifest. Obama also said he would work to close the gap between the end of shuttle operations in 2010 and the debut of the Orion spacecraft that will replace it and said earlier reports that he would divert money from NASA's next manned spacecraft to education were unfounded.

Obama was introduced to an enthusiastic crowd of about 1,300 at the Brevard Community College by Sen. Bill Nelson (D-FL), who flew as a payload specialist aboard the shuttle Columbia in 1986. In his opening remarks, Obama delivered his most detailed statement yet on space policy as NASA implements the Bush administration's drive to complete the space station and retire the shuttle fleet by the end of fiscal 2010.

NASA hopes to replace the shuttle with smaller Orion capsules and huge, unmanned cargo boosters, known collectively as the Constellation program. The goal is to use Orion spacecraft to carry astronauts to and from the station while developing the heavy-lift Ares 5 rocket that will help NASA establish a moon base around 2020.

Under the Bush administration's plan, the money to pay for the Constellation program primarily will come from funds that now go to the shuttle and space station programs. The Orion spacecraft and its Ares 1 booster are under development, but near-term funding shortfalls will result in a four- to five-year gap between the end of shuttle operations and the advent of routine operations with Orion. During that gap, U.S. astronauts will be forced to hitch rides to the station aboard Russian Soyuz spacecraft.

Today, Obama said he supports the Constellation program and will work to narrow the gap between the end of shuttle operations and the advent of Orion.

"I know it's still being reported that we were talking about delaying some aspects of the Constellation program to pay for our early education program," he said. "I told my staff we're going to find an entirely different offset because we've got to make sure that the money that's going into NASA for basic research and development continues to go there. That has been a top priority for us. This is an administration that's been anti-science. Whether it's on stem cell research, whether it's on climate change, they have rejected science. I want to reverse that trend, I want us to be a science-based society and I want us to invest in science."

Spaceflight Now | Breaking News | Obama vows NASA support during visit to Florida


Obama supporters, it's been very difficult for me to find current information on this other than the Obama web page. However. if you look at how he plans to fund early education, one of the lines he mentions is a plan to cut funding for the constellation program by delaying it for 5 years. That would mean that the United States after 2010 till 2020 would have no capability to put their own people into space. In case you have not noticed China yesterday conducted a space walk with their own astronauts and plan on going to the moon in the next 7 years. Also, India just launched a moon program yesterday as well. Am I one of the few that thinks it's still important to have a manned space flight program? The benefits from this are many and proven. So if an Obama supporter can convince me on this one is he currently still planning to keep the program or not?

First the obvious .. Obama will say anything to he thinks he has to say to win votes. I'm betting that if he went straight from the NASA event to an event full of educators he would have said education is a top priority of his and he's going to cut funds from NASA to pay for it.

That being said, I don't believe the Constellation program is more important than the far more critical issues that face Americans.

In better times .. say like during the Clinton years .. space funding is a no brainer .. but these are critcal times, and we'd best address people first.
 
First the obvious .. Obama will say anything to he thinks he has to say to win votes. I'm betting that if he went straight from the NASA event to an event full of educators he would have said education is a top priority of his and he's going to cut funds from NASA to pay for it.

That being said, I don't believe the Constellation program is more important than the far more critical issues that face Americans.

In better times .. say like during the Clinton years .. space funding is a no brainer .. but these are critcal times, and we'd best address people first.

BaC let's state the obvious here though, benefits vs. costs. As I have stated the NASA budget is tiny and the benefits are many, unlike several programs that the government now runs. IMHO, the government suffers from bugetary management issues. I believe that if the federal government were to manage themselves better then the costs of a program like Constallation would be so small as to be a blip on the horizon. Imagine the number of American jobs a program like this creates if given the inspiration to do so, and the number of young people that go on as a result of the inspiration they receive from such a program. Want to see an example, just look at the video that I put in this thread of Richard Branson and Burt Rutan and what they are doing with Virgin Galactic. Let me cite you another example, when the federal government in the recent *bailout* allows several million dollars for the wooden arrow industry how much importance does that hold when compared to a department like NASA?
 
No not part of the tinfoil hat crowd. I don't have any invisible friend who is all powerful hiding away somewhere watching me all the time because he loves me but wants to torture me forever and ever if I don't believe in him, but he only wants me to have faith so he's not going to give me evidence to believe in him.

;)
Who said anything about invisible friends, with all that irrelevant BS you taunt im surprised you have any faith at all, with the exception of that poetic literaturic mysticism you spew in mixed company... So take all that garbage you pawn off as viable quotes as testimonial tributes to your arrogant stupidy.....those dogs might hunt in some cigar smoking hall of literaturic intellects but in the real world of mixed company you appear as a fool hands down...and you make GOD nauseous you fence riding agnostic...
In Psalm 14:1 we read, "The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.'"
If you dont believe in the King James Version Protestant Bible, then how do you have a dog in the fight other than to confuse and appear as a stumbling block to the work of Jesus the Christ.....
 
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BaC let's state the obvious here though, benefits vs. costs. As I have stated the NASA budget is tiny and the benefits are many, unlike several programs that the government now runs. IMHO, the government suffers from bugetary management issues. I believe that if the federal government were to manage themselves better then the costs of a program like Constallation would be so small as to be a blip on the horizon. Imagine the number of American jobs a program like this creates if given the inspiration to do so, and the number of young people that go on as a result of the inspiration they receive from such a program. Want to see an example, just look at the video that I put in this thread of Richard Branson and Burt Rutan and what they are doing with Virgin Galactic. Let me cite you another example, when the federal government in the recent *bailout* allows several million dollars for the wooden arrow industry how much importance does that hold when compared to a department like NASA?

Much of what you've said here I have absolutely no disagreement with you, especially on management of the budget ... where we differ my good brother is on priority. I believe issues of poverty, job creation, and access to affordable healthcare are more important than the wood arrow industry or NASA .. they are far more important.

What the US has done with our advanced position on space is bought ourselves some buffer time. We can afford a five year lapse on space far better than we can afford another five year lapse on the American people.

This is not to suggest that I believe that investment in NASA isn't a good idea. To the contrary, I think it's a very good idea .. however, there are priorities that must be addressed first .. and the unfortunate reality is that neither NASA OR the issues I think important may be properly funded because our government is now officially in the hands of Wall Street.

So I'm thinking, perhaps Americans should start appealing to Wall Street to fund infrastructure and whatever else this country needs. Just skip the White House and go right to where the real source of power is .. on Wall Street.
 
Who said anything about invisible friends, with all that irrelevant BS you taunt im surprised you have any faith at all, with the exception of that poetic literaturic mysticism you spew in mixed company... So take all that garbage you pawn off as viable quotes as testimonial tributes to your arrogant stupidy.....those dogs might hunt in some cigar smoking hall of literaturic intellects but in the real world of mixed company you appear as a fool hands down...and you make GOD nauseous you fence ridin agnostic...
In Psalm 14:1 we read, "The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.'"
If you dont believe in the King James Version Protestant Bible, then how do you have a dog in the fight other than to confuse and appear as a stumbling block to the work of Jesus the Christ.....

King James?

Wasn't he the homosexual pedophile who thought Jesus was in love with John and who commissioned two non-christians, Shakesphere and Bacon, to rewrite the words of God to mask the truth of it by removing the word "slave?"

... just wonderin'
 
King James?

Wasn't he the homosexual pedophile who thought Jesus was in love with John and who commissioned two non-christians, Shakesphere and Bacon, to rewrite the words of God to mask the truth of it by removing the word "slave?"

... just wonderin'
I only thought you were stupid, until you opened your pie hole and removed all dault.........i do indeed wonder no more of your obvious perverted and trivial mind..
Be enlightened and read the works of William Tyndale just google William Tyndale if you have the nerve...
 
Much of what you've said here I have absolutely no disagreement with you, especially on management of the budget ... where we differ my good brother is on priority. I believe issues of poverty, job creation, and access to affordable healthcare are more important than the wood arrow industry or NASA .. they are far more important.

What the US has done with our advanced position on space is bought ourselves some buffer time. We can afford a five year lapse on space far better than we can afford another five year lapse on the American people.

This is not to suggest that I believe that investment in NASA isn't a good idea. To the contrary, I think it's a very good idea .. however, there are priorities that must be addressed first .. and the unfortunate reality is that neither NASA OR the issues I think important may be properly funded because our government is now officially in the hands of Wall Street.

So I'm thinking, perhaps Americans should start appealing to Wall Street to fund infrastructure and whatever else this country needs. Just skip the White House and go right to where the real source of power is .. on Wall Street.


BaC , while I agree that of course there are issues on the budget that should be addressed before NASA's thats a given. However, I also believe given this size of NASA's budget and the investment that NASA has made in things like the International Space Station, and the Hubble Space Telescope and with the advent of China as a new space power and with the resurgance of a Russia bloated on Natural Gas money we can ill afford to let our investment just lay around for 5 years much less have to ask Russia and China for rides to the ISS or HST. Given NASA's budget size as compared to the federal budget, and the billions of dollars each year spent on useless government programs, like 27 million dollars to see what the methane emmissions are from cows in Montana. I submit that our congress can easily fund this amazing department and do so if they can manage to put their house in order.
 
I only thought you were stupid, until you opened your pie hole and removed all dault.........i do indeed wonder no more of your obvious perverted and trivial mind..
Be enlightened and read the works of William Tyndale just google William Tyndale if you have the nerve...

Am I to take that to mean that you don't know King James was homosexual pedophile who thought Jesus was in love with John and who commissioned two non-christian, Shakesphere and Bacon (who King James was in love with), to re-write the words of God and removed the word "slave" .. which was previously in the bible 176 times .. and replaced it with nebulous words like "bondsmen" and "handmadien."

You are in no position my friend to lecture me about "enlightenment" when I know more about what you claim to believe than you do.

Who was his mother?
 
BaC , while I agree that of course there are issues on the budget that should be addressed before NASA's thats a given. However, I also believe given this size of NASA's budget and the investment that NASA has made in things like the International Space Station, and the Hubble Space Telescope and with the advent of China as a new space power and with the resurgance of a Russia bloated on Natural Gas money we can ill afford to let our investment just lay around for 5 years much less have to ask Russia and China for rides to the ISS or HST. Given NASA's budget size as compared to the federal budget, and the billions of dollars each year spent on useless government programs, like 27 million dollars to see what the methane emmissions are from cows in Montana. I submit that our congress can easily fund this amazing department and do so if they can manage to put their house in order.

17 - 20 billion dollars is no drop in the bucket, but if after addressing the critical needs of the American peoplr, funds could be allocated to properly fund NASA, I'm in total agreeance with you .. although I'm not sure NASA's budget couldn't be better managed as well.

People must come first.
 
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Now, I looked at some of this, primarily at this Paul Hubbert character. Putting aside that it's the AEA instead of the NEA, I saw a lot of info about his political influence and I must say, it is impressive but seems shady. But getting down to the core, I can accept if you want to say the system is corrupt, but what exactly are you saying it's doing to destroy education?

AEA is the Alabama Educators Association. NEA is Nat'l Educators Association. Both are teacher's unions, but I was sort of lumping them together because I think ALL teacher's unions are destroying education.


Teachers unions are bastions of liberal democrat politics. That's bad enough, but they work to impliment their liberal agendas into the schools by pimping the school systems out to the federal gov't. They also waste tons of cash promoting liberal agendas (like gay marriage) which have nothing to do with education. Instead of learning the 3 R's, kids are learning how Johnny can marry Jimmy and it's okay for Jenny to worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster. That's all well and good, I guess, until we realize that neither Johnny, Jimmy or Jenny CAN READ. That's the modern education system for you....thanks NEA.

Here's a great link on that: EIA Communique

Oh, and Paul Hubbard is a CREEP.
 

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