CDZ Obama Impeachment

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

"Then why are deportations at an all time high?"

They aren't , that's been debunked eight ways 'til Sunday.

No, it's a fact.

Once again, just because someone does not like the actual figures, lies about them become so over used that people think that the lies are facts.

No, it's not a fact sir

Lies damned lies and Obama s deportation statistics - The Washington Post

Sorry, but you've bought into the propaganda on that one

You quoted a blog?

That information is INCORRECT.

Please use Homeland securities own figures and not some blogger!

For example -

See how the Obama administration has started deporting more alien criminals, then his predecessors?

"Then why are deportations at an all time high?"

They aren't , that's been debunked eight ways 'til Sunday.

No, it's a fact.

Once again, just because someone does not like the actual figures, lies about them become so over used that people think that the lies are facts.

No, it's not a fact sir

Lies damned lies and Obama s deportation statistics - The Washington Post

Sorry, but you've bought into the propaganda on that one

Um, that's an opinion blog.

"Then why are deportations at an all time high?"

They aren't , that's been debunked eight ways 'til Sunday.

No, it's a fact.

Once again, just because someone does not like the actual figures, lies about them become so over used that people think that the lies are facts.

No, it's not a fact sir

Lies damned lies and Obama s deportation statistics - The Washington Post

Sorry, but you've bought into the propaganda on that one

You quoted a blog?

That information is INCORRECT.

Please use Homeland securities own figures and not some blogger!

For example -

See how the Obama administration has started deporting more alien criminals, then his predecessors?

What is it with dishonest discussion around here? Yes, it's a blog, but the blog cites SOURCES

Want to see something interesting?

Look at this link

Yearbook of Immigration Statistics 2012 Enforcement Actions Homeland Security

Table 33

2000 1,814,729
2001 1,387,486
2002 1,062,270
2003 1,046,422
2004 1,264,232
2005 1,291,065
2006 1,206,412
2007 960,772
2008 2 1,043,774
2009 869,828
2010 752,307
2011 641,601
2012 643,474

Pretty easy to see that the number of folks arrested for immigration related crimes has went down each year Obama's been in office.

Or how about this one

No- it wouldn't be extortion then either.

For example this case was not 'extortion'- it was considered improper legal action.

Kansas Supreme Court Suspends Ex-Attorney General Over Abortion Investigation

The Kansas Supreme Court on Friday indefinitely suspended former Attorney General Phillip Kline (R), who investigated abortion doctor George Tiller, from the practice of law in the state.

The court cited "clear and convincing evidence" that Kline committed 11 violations of attorney conduct rules while investigating abortion clinics as attorney general and for his role in a grand jury investigation while serving as Johnson County district attorney.

"Ultimately, we unanimously conclude the weight of the aggravating factors--i.e., Kline's inability or refusal to acknowledge the line between overzealous advocacy and operating within the bounds of the law and his professional obligations; his selfish motives; and his lengthy and substantial pattern of misconduct--weigh more heavily than the mitigating factors and merit his indefinite suspension," the court wrote in its opinion.

The court's findings against Kline, who served as Kansas attorney general from 2003 to 2007, stem from a complaint first filed against him in 2010. As TPM reported at the time, Kline was accused of "dispatching staff to record license plates of women entering George Tiller's abortion clinic, getting records from a motel where patients stayed, and obtaining state medical files under false pretenses, then retaining them after his term as AG was over and repeatedly lying about it in court." These alleged actions occurred during Kline's pursuit of Tiller, who ran Women's Health Care Services in Wichita, Kan., and who was shot to death in 2009.

These events have no similarity - I have no idea what point you are attempting to make.

Let's make this simple; if President Cruz orders his AG Sarah Palin to serve all banks who do business with Planned Parenthood subpoenas repeatedly until they cease engaging in business with PP or they go out of business, would that be extortion?

Bear in mind, should Obama get away with his crimes, the above is a very real possibility.

Hold the elevator

Did you just ay AG Sarah Palin?

OMG that was funny

say it again, say it again

 

[Publius1787]

"Then why are deportations at an all time high?"

They aren't , that's been debunked eight ways 'til Sunday.

No, it's a fact.

Once again, just because someone does not like the actual figures, lies about them become so over used that people think that the lies are facts.

No, it's not a fact sir

Lies damned lies and Obama s deportation statistics - The Washington Post

Sorry, but you've bought into the propaganda on that one

You quoted a blog?

That information is INCORRECT.

Please use Homeland securities own figures and not some blogger!

For example -

See how the Obama administration has started deporting more alien criminals, then his predecessors?

"Then why are deportations at an all time high?"

They aren't , that's been debunked eight ways 'til Sunday.

No, it's a fact.

Once again, just because someone does not like the actual figures, lies about them become so over used that people think that the lies are facts.

No, it's not a fact sir

Lies damned lies and Obama s deportation statistics - The Washington Post

Sorry, but you've bought into the propaganda on that one

Um, that's an opinion blog.

"Then why are deportations at an all time high?"

They aren't , that's been debunked eight ways 'til Sunday.

No, it's a fact.

Once again, just because someone does not like the actual figures, lies about them become so over used that people think that the lies are facts.

No, it's not a fact sir

Lies damned lies and Obama s deportation statistics - The Washington Post

Sorry, but you've bought into the propaganda on that one

You quoted a blog?

That information is INCORRECT.

Please use Homeland securities own figures and not some blogger!

For example -

See how the Obama administration has started deporting more alien criminals, then his predecessors?

What is it with dishonest discussion around here? Yes, it's a blog, but the blog cites SOURCES

Want to see something interesting?

Look at this link

Yearbook of Immigration Statistics 2012 Enforcement Actions Homeland Security

Table 33

2000 1,814,729
2001 1,387,486
2002 1,062,270
2003 1,046,422
2004 1,264,232
2005 1,291,065
2006 1,206,412
2007 960,772
2008 2 1,043,774
2009 869,828
2010 752,307
2011 641,601
2012 643,474

Pretty easy to see that the number of folks arrested for immigration related crimes has went down each year Obama's been in office.

Or how about this one

No- it wouldn't be extortion then either.

For example this case was not 'extortion'- it was considered improper legal action.

Kansas Supreme Court Suspends Ex-Attorney General Over Abortion Investigation

The Kansas Supreme Court on Friday indefinitely suspended former Attorney General Phillip Kline (R), who investigated abortion doctor George Tiller, from the practice of law in the state.

The court cited "clear and convincing evidence" that Kline committed 11 violations of attorney conduct rules while investigating abortion clinics as attorney general and for his role in a grand jury investigation while serving as Johnson County district attorney.

"Ultimately, we unanimously conclude the weight of the aggravating factors--i.e., Kline's inability or refusal to acknowledge the line between overzealous advocacy and operating within the bounds of the law and his professional obligations; his selfish motives; and his lengthy and substantial pattern of misconduct--weigh more heavily than the mitigating factors and merit his indefinite suspension," the court wrote in its opinion.

The court's findings against Kline, who served as Kansas attorney general from 2003 to 2007, stem from a complaint first filed against him in 2010. As TPM reported at the time, Kline was accused of "dispatching staff to record license plates of women entering George Tiller's abortion clinic, getting records from a motel where patients stayed, and obtaining state medical files under false pretenses, then retaining them after his term as AG was over and repeatedly lying about it in court." These alleged actions occurred during Kline's pursuit of Tiller, who ran Women's Health Care Services in Wichita, Kan., and who was shot to death in 2009.

These events have no similarity - I have no idea what point you are attempting to make.

Let's make this simple; if President Cruz orders his AG Sarah Palin to serve all banks who do business with Planned Parenthood subpoenas repeatedly until they cease engaging in business with PP or they go out of business, would that be extortion?

Bear in mind, should Obama get away with his crimes, the above is a very real possibility.

Hold the elevator

Did you just ay AG Sarah Palin?

OMG that was funny

say it again, say it again

The DHS has admitted that most deportations have come from the border. The question then becomes what percentage were turned around at the border and what percentage did Obama deport that made it into the United States. It is likely that Obama has deported less than his predecessor from the pool that made it into the United States.
Deportations come mostly from border DHS chief says - Washington Times

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

"Then why are deportations at an all time high?"

They aren't , that's been debunked eight ways 'til Sunday.

No, it's a fact.

Once again, just because someone does not like the actual figures, lies about them become so over used that people think that the lies are facts.

No, it's not a fact sir

Lies damned lies and Obama s deportation statistics - The Washington Post

Sorry, but you've bought into the propaganda on that one

You quoted a blog?

That information is INCORRECT.

Please use Homeland securities own figures and not some blogger!

For example -

See how the Obama administration has started deporting more alien criminals, then his predecessors?

"Then why are deportations at an all time high?"

They aren't , that's been debunked eight ways 'til Sunday.

No, it's a fact.

Once again, just because someone does not like the actual figures, lies about them become so over used that people think that the lies are facts.

No, it's not a fact sir

Lies damned lies and Obama s deportation statistics - The Washington Post

Sorry, but you've bought into the propaganda on that one

Um, that's an opinion blog.

"Then why are deportations at an all time high?"

They aren't , that's been debunked eight ways 'til Sunday.

No, it's a fact.

Once again, just because someone does not like the actual figures, lies about them become so over used that people think that the lies are facts.

No, it's not a fact sir

Lies damned lies and Obama s deportation statistics - The Washington Post

Sorry, but you've bought into the propaganda on that one

You quoted a blog?

That information is INCORRECT.

Please use Homeland securities own figures and not some blogger!

For example -

See how the Obama administration has started deporting more alien criminals, then his predecessors?

What is it with dishonest discussion around here? Yes, it's a blog, but the blog cites SOURCES

Want to see something interesting?

Look at this link

Yearbook of Immigration Statistics 2012 Enforcement Actions Homeland Security

Table 33

2000 1,814,729
2001 1,387,486
2002 1,062,270
2003 1,046,422
2004 1,264,232
2005 1,291,065
2006 1,206,412
2007 960,772
2008 2 1,043,774
2009 869,828
2010 752,307
2011 641,601
2012 643,474

Pretty easy to see that the number of folks arrested for immigration related crimes has went down each year Obama's been in office.

Or how about this one

No- it wouldn't be extortion then either.

For example this case was not 'extortion'- it was considered improper legal action.

Kansas Supreme Court Suspends Ex-Attorney General Over Abortion Investigation

The Kansas Supreme Court on Friday indefinitely suspended former Attorney General Phillip Kline (R), who investigated abortion doctor George Tiller, from the practice of law in the state.

The court cited "clear and convincing evidence" that Kline committed 11 violations of attorney conduct rules while investigating abortion clinics as attorney general and for his role in a grand jury investigation while serving as Johnson County district attorney.

"Ultimately, we unanimously conclude the weight of the aggravating factors--i.e., Kline's inability or refusal to acknowledge the line between overzealous advocacy and operating within the bounds of the law and his professional obligations; his selfish motives; and his lengthy and substantial pattern of misconduct--weigh more heavily than the mitigating factors and merit his indefinite suspension," the court wrote in its opinion.

The court's findings against Kline, who served as Kansas attorney general from 2003 to 2007, stem from a complaint first filed against him in 2010. As TPM reported at the time, Kline was accused of "dispatching staff to record license plates of women entering George Tiller's abortion clinic, getting records from a motel where patients stayed, and obtaining state medical files under false pretenses, then retaining them after his term as AG was over and repeatedly lying about it in court." These alleged actions occurred during Kline's pursuit of Tiller, who ran Women's Health Care Services in Wichita, Kan., and who was shot to death in 2009.

These events have no similarity - I have no idea what point you are attempting to make.

Let's make this simple; if President Cruz orders his AG Sarah Palin to serve all banks who do business with Planned Parenthood subpoenas repeatedly until they cease engaging in business with PP or they go out of business, would that be extortion?

Bear in mind, should Obama get away with his crimes, the above is a very real possibility.

Hold the elevator

Did you just ay AG Sarah Palin?

OMG that was funny

say it again, say it again

The DHS has admitted that most deportations have come from the border. The question then becomes what percentage were turned around at the border and what percentage did Obama deport that made it into the United States. It is likely that Obama has deported less than his predecessor from the pool that made it into the United States.
Deportations come mostly from border DHS chief says - Washington Times

Once again, the government makes the numbers say what they want them to.

Sort of like the recent revelations about how they counted medical insurance policies signed up for. Oops

 

[Syriusly]

I'm starting this thread in the CDZ because I'd like at least a semi-serious explanation without all the partisan BS about the constitutionality of impeachment of Obama. I'd really like to know.

What is the constitutional argument for impeaching Obama? What has he done that is an impeachable offense?

A President doesn't need break the law in the eyes of the court to be impeached. All that is necessary is that congress simply decides to impeach him. With that out of the way, yes, what Obama is doing is an impeachable offense. He may or may not have prosecutorial discretion to simply ignore 5,000,000 illegal immigrants. That is up for debate. However, he does not have the power to offer work visas to 5,000,000 illegal immigrants. That is clear.

However, Obama will not be impeached for two reasons. 1) It is politically unpopular and democrats would stand up for one of their own on almost any impeachable offense. 2) Obama is black and impeaching him would ignite cries of racism.

Indeed, the question on whether he should be impeached is negated by the political unpopularity of impeachment and democrats who could care less about the rule of law. What's right isn't always what's popular and what's popular isn't always what's right. Obama can do pretty much whatever he wants with the knowledge that congress doesn't have the votes or the willpower to impeach him. While this may seem like a constitutional crisis, the true crisis will ensue if Obama uses his pardoning power to do the same.

Well to a certain extent I agree- while the Constitution lays out the very specifically what a President can be impeached for- it also leaves that entirely to Congress- so Congress could legally impeach Obama for the high crime of being Black in the White House- and it would be absolutely legal.

But I don't see Congress impeaching him, for lots of reasons- all political.

 

[Publius1787]

I'm starting this thread in the CDZ because I'd like at least a semi-serious explanation without all the partisan BS about the constitutionality of impeachment of Obama. I'd really like to know.

What is the constitutional argument for impeaching Obama? What has he done that is an impeachable offense?

A President doesn't need break the law in the eyes of the court to be impeached. All that is necessary is that congress simply decides to impeach him. With that out of the way, yes, what Obama is doing is an impeachable offense. He may or may not have prosecutorial discretion to simply ignore 5,000,000 illegal immigrants. That is up for debate. However, he does not have the power to offer work visas to 5,000,000 illegal immigrants. That is clear.

However, Obama will not be impeached for two reasons. 1) It is politically unpopular and democrats would stand up for one of their own on almost any impeachable offense. 2) Obama is black and impeaching him would ignite cries of racism.

Indeed, the question on whether he should be impeached is negated by the political unpopularity of impeachment and democrats who could care less about the rule of law. What's right isn't always what's popular and what's popular isn't always what's right. Obama can do pretty much whatever he wants with the knowledge that congress doesn't have the votes or the willpower to impeach him. While this may seem like a constitutional crisis, the true crisis will ensue if Obama uses his pardoning power to do the same.

Well to a certain extent I agree- while the Constitution lays out the very specifically what a President can be impeached for- it also leaves that entirely to Congress- so Congress could legally impeach Obama for the high crime of being Black in the White House- and it would be absolutely legal.

But I don't see Congress impeaching him, for lots of reasons- all political.

Anyone who believes that republicans would impeach the president for being black does not deserve recognition via a response.

 

[midcan5]

"The President’s executive actions on immigration are limited, contingent on statutory authority and prosecutorial discretion, and temporary. They can be neutered or replaced by legitimate congressional lawmaking or a successor in the White House. This is less a power grab than an acknowledgement that the country is far from the post-partisan politics that he promised in his initial run for the presidency. That acknowledgement, however tardy, is welcome. Until we as a country face up to the destructiveness of our asymmetric partisan polarization, there is little chance of improving our dysfunctional government.

The crocodile tears in reaction to President Obama acting well beyond his constitutional authority and destroying prospects in Congress for bipartisan agreement on a range of pressing public problems, including immigration, are laughable. The President has faced unified and unrelenting opposition from Republicans in Congress since the first day of his presidency, following his sweeping victory and that of his fellow Democrats in Congress in the 2008 election. Republicans have never accepted the legitimacy of his presidency nor demonstrated any willingness to enter into negotiations with him to deal with the Great Recession, stagnant wages, serious flaws in the regulation of financial services, unsustainable health care costs, a deteriorating infrastructure, climate change, and a widely acknowledged broken immigration system. Instead, since the 2010 elections returned the GOP to the majority in the House, they have engaged in unprecedented and irresponsible brinksmanship and hostage-taking that have threatened the full faith and credit of the country, weakened the economy, and precipitated a sharp decline in the public’s trust in government." Obama s Immigration Order Isn t a Power Grab Brookings Institution