Obama Gun Plan: Un-Constitutional POWER and CONTROL

[easyt65]

President Obama declared today he is considering by-passing Congress and issuing an Executive Order to create a new 3-pronged gun law.

1st of all, FACT - No existing gun law could have prevented the attack on Oregon.

2ndly, FACT - NO gun law he can impose can prevent another attack such as the one in Oregon.

3rd, FACT - Criminals will NOT obey Obama's proposed new law.

OBAMA'S LAW:
- It will require background check of those purchasing guns.....Oregon already required this, and it failed to stop the attack

- It will require a more in-depth background check...the Oregon shooter actually passed a back-ground check

- it will limit the number of guns Americans can have...without government consent / approval in the form of a 'permit'...as in 'We PERMIT you to own guns.'

This is NOT required because the CONSTITUTION already says I can own guns.
- This proves liberal 'gun control' is about nothing but CONTROL
- Also, if they feel they have the authority to 'permit' you to own guns, they will feel they have the authority to DENY your right to own more guns than THEY think you should own.

In order to get this permit Americans will have to be REGISTERED.
- The government will be creating a registry of gun owners. Anyone with a certain number of guns will have to step forward and be registered or be in violation of the law - a criminal. Anyone who wants to own a certain number of guns will have to be registered and receive a permit.

As already said, NONE of this will do anything to prevent another attack! What it does is give the federal government more power, UN-Constitutional power. (No 'permit' is required to have more guns than the government thinks I should own because I am guaranteed the right to bear arms, not the right to own a RESTRICTED number of guns!)

Lacking the ability to prevent gun violence in the future, it is obvious that this is about nothing more than POWER and CONTROL!

 

[Hawkeye2j]

President Obama declared today he is considering by-passing Congress and issuing an Executive Order to create a new 3-pronged gun law.

1st of all, FACT - No existing gun law could have prevented the attack on Oregon.

2ndly, FACT - NO gun law he can impose can prevent another attack such as the one in Oregon.

3rd, FACT - Criminals will NOT obey Obama's proposed new law.

OBAMA'S LAW:
- It will require background check of those purchasing guns.....Oregon already required this, and it failed to stop the attack

- It will require a more in-depth background check...the Oregon shooter actually passed a back-ground check

- it will limit the number of guns Americans can have...without government consent / approval in the form of a 'permit'...as in 'We PERMIT you to own guns.'

This is NOT required because the CONSTITUTION already says I can own guns.
- This proves liberal 'gun control' is about nothing but CONTROL
- Also, if they feel they have the authority to 'permit' you to own guns, they will feel they have the authority to DENY your right to own more guns than THEY think you should own.

In order to get this permit Americans will have to be REGISTERED.
- The government will be creating a registry of gun owners. Anyone with a certain number of guns will have to step forward and be registered or be in violation of the law - a criminal. Anyone who wants to own a certain number of guns will have to be registered and receive a permit.

As already said, NONE of this will do anything to prevent another attack! What it does is give the federal government more power, UN-Constitutional power. (No 'permit' is required to have more guns than the government thinks I should own because I am guaranteed the right to bear arms, not the right to own a RESTRICTED number of guns!)

Lacking the ability to prevent gun violence in the future, it is obvious that this is about nothing more than POWER and CONTROL!

The Constitution says you can be part of a well regulated militia. It says nothing about individual gun ownership. That being said this joke of a Supreme Court decided to ignore half the second amendment and that is what allowed massacres like this.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

President Obama declared today he is considering by-passing Congress and issuing an Executive Order to create a new 3-pronged gun law.

1st of all, FACT - No existing gun law could have prevented the attack on Oregon.

2ndly, FACT - NO gun law he can impose can prevent another attack such as the one in Oregon.

3rd, FACT - Criminals will NOT obey Obama's proposed new law.

OBAMA'S LAW:
- It will require background check of those purchasing guns.....Oregon already required this, and it failed to stop the attack

- It will require a more in-depth background check...the Oregon shooter actually passed a back-ground check

- it will limit the number of guns Americans can have...without government consent / approval in the form of a 'permit'...as in 'We PERMIT you to own guns.'

This is NOT required because the CONSTITUTION already says I can own guns.
- This proves liberal 'gun control' is about nothing but CONTROL
- Also, if they feel they have the authority to 'permit' you to own guns, they will feel they have the authority to DENY your right to own more guns than THEY think you should own.

In order to get this permit Americans will have to be REGISTERED.
- The government will be creating a registry of gun owners. Anyone with a certain number of guns will have to step forward and be registered or be in violation of the law - a criminal. Anyone who wants to own a certain number of guns will have to be registered and receive a permit.

As already said, NONE of this will do anything to prevent another attack! What it does is give the federal government more power, UN-Constitutional power. (No 'permit' is required to have more guns than the government thinks I should own because I am guaranteed the right to bear arms, not the right to own a RESTRICTED number of guns!)

Lacking the ability to prevent gun violence in the future, it is obvious that this is about nothing more than POWER and CONTROL!

Link?

 

[Obiwan]

President Obama declared today he is considering by-passing Congress and issuing an Executive Order to create a new 3-pronged gun law.

1st of all, FACT - No existing gun law could have prevented the attack on Oregon.

2ndly, FACT - NO gun law he can impose can prevent another attack such as the one in Oregon.

3rd, FACT - Criminals will NOT obey Obama's proposed new law.

OBAMA'S LAW:
- It will require background check of those purchasing guns.....Oregon already required this, and it failed to stop the attack

- It will require a more in-depth background check...the Oregon shooter actually passed a back-ground check

- it will limit the number of guns Americans can have...without government consent / approval in the form of a 'permit'...as in 'We PERMIT you to own guns.'

This is NOT required because the CONSTITUTION already says I can own guns.
- This proves liberal 'gun control' is about nothing but CONTROL
- Also, if they feel they have the authority to 'permit' you to own guns, they will feel they have the authority to DENY your right to own more guns than THEY think you should own.

In order to get this permit Americans will have to be REGISTERED.
- The government will be creating a registry of gun owners. Anyone with a certain number of guns will have to step forward and be registered or be in violation of the law - a criminal. Anyone who wants to own a certain number of guns will have to be registered and receive a permit.

As already said, NONE of this will do anything to prevent another attack! What it does is give the federal government more power, UN-Constitutional power. (No 'permit' is required to have more guns than the government thinks I should own because I am guaranteed the right to bear arms, not the right to own a RESTRICTED number of guns!)

Lacking the ability to prevent gun violence in the future, it is obvious that this is about nothing more than POWER and CONTROL!

The Constitution says you can be part of a well regulated militia. It says nothing about individual gun ownership. That being said this joke of a Supreme Court decided to ignore half the second amendment and that is what allowed massacres like this.

So you don't accept rulings by the SCOTUS ???

Say goodbye to abortion and gay marriage...

 

[easyt65]

The Constitution says you can be part of a well regulated militia. It says nothing about individual gun ownership. That being said this joke of a Supreme Court decided to ignore half the second amendment and that is what allowed massacres like this.

MILITIA ACT OF 1792:
If you do your research you will find that citizens were ALL required to be part of a militia in order to protect this country. Cotizens had to request permission NOT to be part of the militia. Quakers actually did this and were denied because the government believed people would claim to be ones also to get out of having to serve in the militia.

Citizens in the militia also had to purchase their own weapons, and those weapons had to be the same they would use if called upon to fight (justification for Americans to own AR-15s).

As you probably guessed, this was never repealed.

So your statement, while a good assumption, is wrong.

(Check out the Act at history.com)

 

[tyroneweaver]

LOL
Even the great obama couldn't throw the video maker in jail. They had to resort to some parole/probation violation to throw him in jail
This exec order will be laughed at.

 

[Auld Phart]

The Constitution says you can be part of a well regulated militia. It says nothing about individual gun ownership. That being said this joke of a Supreme Court decided to ignore half the second amendment and that is what allowed massacres like this.

MILITIA ACT OF 1792:
If you do your research you will find that citizens were ALL required to be part of a militia in order to protect this country. Cotizens had to request permission NOT to be part of the militia. Quakers actually did this and were denied because the government believed people would claim to be ones also to get out of having to serve in the militia.

Citizens in the militia also had to purchase their own weapons, and those weapons had to be the same they would use if called upon to fight (justification for Americans to own AR-15s).

As you probably guessed, this was never repealed.

So your statement, while a good assumption, is wrong.

(Check out the Act at history.com)

As you probably guessed, this was never repealed.

You might want to look at the Militia Act of 1903.

Militia Act of 1903 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Auld Phart]

President Obama declared today he is considering by-passing Congress and issuing an Executive Order to create a new 3-pronged gun law.

1st of all, FACT - No existing gun law could have prevented the attack on Oregon.

2ndly, FACT - NO gun law he can impose can prevent another attack such as the one in Oregon.

3rd, FACT - Criminals will NOT obey Obama's proposed new law.

OBAMA'S LAW:
- It will require background check of those purchasing guns.....Oregon already required this, and it failed to stop the attack

- It will require a more in-depth background check...the Oregon shooter actually passed a back-ground check

- it will limit the number of guns Americans can have...without government consent / approval in the form of a 'permit'...as in 'We PERMIT you to own guns.'

This is NOT required because the CONSTITUTION already says I can own guns.
- This proves liberal 'gun control' is about nothing but CONTROL
- Also, if they feel they have the authority to 'permit' you to own guns, they will feel they have the authority to DENY your right to own more guns than THEY think you should own.

In order to get this permit Americans will have to be REGISTERED.
- The government will be creating a registry of gun owners. Anyone with a certain number of guns will have to step forward and be registered or be in violation of the law - a criminal. Anyone who wants to own a certain number of guns will have to be registered and receive a permit.

As already said, NONE of this will do anything to prevent another attack! What it does is give the federal government more power, UN-Constitutional power. (No 'permit' is required to have more guns than the government thinks I should own because I am guaranteed the right to bear arms, not the right to own a RESTRICTED number of guns!)

Lacking the ability to prevent gun violence in the future, it is obvious that this is about nothing more than POWER and CONTROL!

The Constitution says you can be part of a well regulated militia. It says nothing about individual gun ownership. That being said this joke of a Supreme Court decided to ignore half the second amendment and that is what allowed massacres like this.

QUOTE="Hawkeye2j, post: 12518493, member: 55315"]It says nothing about individual gun ownership.[/QUOTE]

You might want to take another look at the 2nd amendment.

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

(Not the right of the militia)

 

[tyroneweaver]

obama's power grab is a sign of weakness not leadership.

 

[NYcarbineer]

President Obama declared today he is considering by-passing Congress and issuing an Executive Order to create a new 3-pronged gun law.

1st of all, FACT - No existing gun law could have prevented the attack on Oregon.

2ndly, FACT - NO gun law he can impose can prevent another attack such as the one in Oregon.

3rd, FACT - Criminals will NOT obey Obama's proposed new law.

OBAMA'S LAW:
- It will require background check of those purchasing guns.....Oregon already required this, and it failed to stop the attack

- It will require a more in-depth background check...the Oregon shooter actually passed a back-ground check

- it will limit the number of guns Americans can have...without government consent / approval in the form of a 'permit'...as in 'We PERMIT you to own guns.'

This is NOT required because the CONSTITUTION already says I can own guns.
- This proves liberal 'gun control' is about nothing but CONTROL
- Also, if they feel they have the authority to 'permit' you to own guns, they will feel they have the authority to DENY your right to own more guns than THEY think you should own.

In order to get this permit Americans will have to be REGISTERED.
- The government will be creating a registry of gun owners. Anyone with a certain number of guns will have to step forward and be registered or be in violation of the law - a criminal. Anyone who wants to own a certain number of guns will have to be registered and receive a permit.

As already said, NONE of this will do anything to prevent another attack! What it does is give the federal government more power, UN-Constitutional power. (No 'permit' is required to have more guns than the government thinks I should own because I am guaranteed the right to bear arms, not the right to own a RESTRICTED number of guns!)

Lacking the ability to prevent gun violence in the future, it is obvious that this is about nothing more than POWER and CONTROL!

So you want 10 year olds to be able to buy and possess machine guns, no questions asked.

 

[gallantwarrior]

President Obama declared today he is considering by-passing Congress and issuing an Executive Order to create a new 3-pronged gun law.

1st of all, FACT - No existing gun law could have prevented the attack on Oregon.

2ndly, FACT - NO gun law he can impose can prevent another attack such as the one in Oregon.

3rd, FACT - Criminals will NOT obey Obama's proposed new law.

OBAMA'S LAW:
- It will require background check of those purchasing guns.....Oregon already required this, and it failed to stop the attack

- It will require a more in-depth background check...the Oregon shooter actually passed a back-ground check

- it will limit the number of guns Americans can have...without government consent / approval in the form of a 'permit'...as in 'We PERMIT you to own guns.'

This is NOT required because the CONSTITUTION already says I can own guns.
- This proves liberal 'gun control' is about nothing but CONTROL
- Also, if they feel they have the authority to 'permit' you to own guns, they will feel they have the authority to DENY your right to own more guns than THEY think you should own.

In order to get this permit Americans will have to be REGISTERED.
- The government will be creating a registry of gun owners. Anyone with a certain number of guns will have to step forward and be registered or be in violation of the law - a criminal. Anyone who wants to own a certain number of guns will have to be registered and receive a permit.

As already said, NONE of this will do anything to prevent another attack! What it does is give the federal government more power, UN-Constitutional power. (No 'permit' is required to have more guns than the government thinks I should own because I am guaranteed the right to bear arms, not the right to own a RESTRICTED number of guns!)

Lacking the ability to prevent gun violence in the future, it is obvious that this is about nothing more than POWER and CONTROL!

The Constitution says you can be part of a well regulated militia. It says nothing about individual gun ownership. That being said this joke of a Supreme Court decided to ignore half the second amendment and that is what allowed massacres like this.

How has any Supreme Court decision facilitated demented individuals to commit acts such as the Oregon "massacre"?

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

President Obama declared today he is considering by-passing Congress and issuing an Executive Order to create a new 3-pronged gun law.

1st of all, FACT - No existing gun law could have prevented the attack on Oregon.

2ndly, FACT - NO gun law he can impose can prevent another attack such as the one in Oregon.

3rd, FACT - Criminals will NOT obey Obama's proposed new law.

OBAMA'S LAW:
- It will require background check of those purchasing guns.....Oregon already required this, and it failed to stop the attack

- It will require a more in-depth background check...the Oregon shooter actually passed a back-ground check

- it will limit the number of guns Americans can have...without government consent / approval in the form of a 'permit'...as in 'We PERMIT you to own guns.'

This is NOT required because the CONSTITUTION already says I can own guns.
- This proves liberal 'gun control' is about nothing but CONTROL
- Also, if they feel they have the authority to 'permit' you to own guns, they will feel they have the authority to DENY your right to own more guns than THEY think you should own.

In order to get this permit Americans will have to be REGISTERED.
- The government will be creating a registry of gun owners. Anyone with a certain number of guns will have to step forward and be registered or be in violation of the law - a criminal. Anyone who wants to own a certain number of guns will have to be registered and receive a permit.

As already said, NONE of this will do anything to prevent another attack! What it does is give the federal government more power, UN-Constitutional power. (No 'permit' is required to have more guns than the government thinks I should own because I am guaranteed the right to bear arms, not the right to own a RESTRICTED number of guns!)

Lacking the ability to prevent gun violence in the future, it is obvious that this is about nothing more than POWER and CONTROL!

Put up or shut the fuck up!

Where can a reasonable person read this statute since you claim it is a law enacted by the President, "Obama's Law"? But you initially state it's an Executive Order, so what is this EO's number on the Disposition Table?

If neither can be found, this thread is another FAIL from the wacko rabid right reactionary fascists claiming the sky is falling yet again. Why should any reasonable person believe a thing you write given the totality of your track record and knee-jerk reaction frothing and regurgitation of the shit you swallowed earlier?

 

[Rambunctious]

The whole first term of our new president will be spent undoing all of imbeciles executive orders...

 

[Vigilante]

 

[bripat9643]

President Obama declared today he is considering by-passing Congress and issuing an Executive Order to create a new 3-pronged gun law.

1st of all, FACT - No existing gun law could have prevented the attack on Oregon.

2ndly, FACT - NO gun law he can impose can prevent another attack such as the one in Oregon.

3rd, FACT - Criminals will NOT obey Obama's proposed new law.

OBAMA'S LAW:
- It will require background check of those purchasing guns.....Oregon already required this, and it failed to stop the attack

- It will require a more in-depth background check...the Oregon shooter actually passed a back-ground check

- it will limit the number of guns Americans can have...without government consent / approval in the form of a 'permit'...as in 'We PERMIT you to own guns.'

This is NOT required because the CONSTITUTION already says I can own guns.
- This proves liberal 'gun control' is about nothing but CONTROL
- Also, if they feel they have the authority to 'permit' you to own guns, they will feel they have the authority to DENY your right to own more guns than THEY think you should own.

In order to get this permit Americans will have to be REGISTERED.
- The government will be creating a registry of gun owners. Anyone with a certain number of guns will have to step forward and be registered or be in violation of the law - a criminal. Anyone who wants to own a certain number of guns will have to be registered and receive a permit.

As already said, NONE of this will do anything to prevent another attack! What it does is give the federal government more power, UN-Constitutional power. (No 'permit' is required to have more guns than the government thinks I should own because I am guaranteed the right to bear arms, not the right to own a RESTRICTED number of guns!)

Lacking the ability to prevent gun violence in the future, it is obvious that this is about nothing more than POWER and CONTROL!

The Constitution says you can be part of a well regulated militia. It says nothing about individual gun ownership. That being said this joke of a Supreme Court decided to ignore half the second amendment and that is what allowed massacres like this.

It says nothing of the sort. What part of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

 

[regent]

President Obama declared today he is considering by-passing Congress and issuing an Executive Order to create a new 3-pronged gun law.

1st of all, FACT - No existing gun law could have prevented the attack on Oregon.

2ndly, FACT - NO gun law he can impose can prevent another attack such as the one in Oregon.

3rd, FACT - Criminals will NOT obey Obama's proposed new law.

OBAMA'S LAW:
- It will require background check of those purchasing guns.....Oregon already required this, and it failed to stop the attack

- It will require a more in-depth background check...the Oregon shooter actually passed a back-ground check

- it will limit the number of guns Americans can have...without government consent / approval in the form of a 'permit'...as in 'We PERMIT you to own guns.'

This is NOT required because the CONSTITUTION already says I can own guns.
- This proves liberal 'gun control' is about nothing but CONTROL
- Also, if they feel they have the authority to 'permit' you to own guns, they will feel they have the authority to DENY your right to own more guns than THEY think you should own.

In order to get this permit Americans will have to be REGISTERED.
- The government will be creating a registry of gun owners. Anyone with a certain number of guns will have to step forward and be registered or be in violation of the law - a criminal. Anyone who wants to own a certain number of guns will have to be registered and receive a permit.

As already said, NONE of this will do anything to prevent another attack! What it does is give the federal government more power, UN-Constitutional power. (No 'permit' is required to have more guns than the government thinks I should own because I am guaranteed the right to bear arms, not the right to own a RESTRICTED number of guns!)

Lacking the ability to prevent gun violence in the future, it is obvious that this is about nothing more than POWER and CONTROL!

The Constitution says you can be part of a well regulated militia. It says nothing about individual gun ownership. That being said this joke of a Supreme Court decided to ignore half the second amendment and that is what allowed massacres like this.

It says nothing of the sort. What part of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

So can any person (people) have a right to a gun, no age limit no citizenship, no number of guns to a person (people) Will any person be restricted from owning, carrying, shooting or other of a gun? How about the type of arms, size and so on. Maybe I better buy some gun stock?

 

[Vigilante]

When I was in High School, in NYC, 55 years ago, I was on the rifle team and owned my own .22 which I carried to school on days we were shooting against another high school...Of course, there were virtually NO LIBERALS invested in High School back then, and in 4 years on the team, no one was ever shot!..... It's LIBERALISM that drives our youths to extremes, but, I shall expect much spin over this!

 

[easyt65]

So can any person (people) have a right to a gun, no age limit no citizenship, no number of guns to a person (people) Will any person be restricted from owning, carrying, shooting or other of a gun? How about the type of arms, size and so on. Maybe I better buy some gun stock?

Did you read the Militia Act? Obviously not...

 

[easyt65]

Put up or shut the fuck up!

Where can a reasonable person read this statute since you claim it is a law enacted by the President, "Obama's Law"? But you initially state it's an Executive Order, so what is this EO's number on the Disposition Table?

If neither can be found, this thread is another FAIL from the wacko rabid right reactionary fascists claiming the sky is falling yet again. Why should any reasonable person believe a thing you write given the totality of your track record and knee-jerk reaction frothing and regurgitation of the shit you swallowed earlier?

You are rude AND stupid.

Learn to read. I specifically said Obama declared he is CONSIDERING, as in has not done so yet. You miss the entire point of the post and demand to know details about an Executive Order that has not been issued yet, doing so because you're too stupid to comprehend what you read, assuning you can do that. What is worse, you are rude in your ignorance. There is some hope for you, though. While you can't fix 'stupid', you can work on your manners and humility. Good luck with that.

 

[gallantwarrior]

When I was in High School, in NYC, 55 years ago, I was on the rifle team and owned my own .22 which I carried to school on days we were shooting against another high school...Of course, there were virtually NO LIBERALS invested in High School back then, and in 4 years on the team, no one was ever shot!..... It's LIBERALISM that drives our youths to extremes, but, I shall expect much spin over this!

A similar situation here. I attended a rural high school and it was common for many of us to get off the bus a couple of stops early and hunt rabbits and birds on the way home. We carried .22s and shotguns that were kept in our lockers. If there was a disagreement, it was fists and feet, usually with one or more teachers in attendance. If things got out-of-hand, the teachers stepped in, otherwise, it was up to us to settle things among ourselves. Not once did I ever see anyone pull one of those firearms out of a locker to settle up.