Obama goes to war with America

I lived it .
I remember the daily hysteria it is the same if not worse than what has been going on with the AGW fraud.
It is still cited but has been dis proven .

That isn't proof, merely anecdote.



The Forest Decline Project at the University of Vermont published a study in 1991 citing acid rain as a culprit of the reduced seed production and germination.[9]

He also re-energized the EPA, which has a huge power and
funding stake in doing the same. These deadly incentives lead to
an awful lot of BS (bad science).

There is no better example of this than the EPA's wildly scary
1980 report suggesting acid rain was causing a kind of ``aquatic
silent spring'' in Northeast America and Canada:

``It is in the lakes and streams where the most dramatic
effects of acid rain have been observed. The increasing acidity
of lakes in North America and Europe has been documented. ...
This has led to a decrease in populations of fish and other
aquatic organisms.''


This report led to the establishment of a 10-year scientific
study of the causes and effects of acid rain, or what is called
the National Acid Precipitation Assessment Program (NAPAP).
Unfortunately for the environmentalists, this assessment
actually tried to be scientific, that is, to avoid reaching
conclusions first and then searching for evidence to support
them.
The result in 1987, after more than $300 million was spent in
exhaustive study, was to conclude essentially that regional SO2
concentrations were causing no discernible damage to crops or
forests at present levels of acid rain emission (about 22 million
tons a year, down from 32 million in 1970).

Also, the number of acid lakes and streams was far lower than
the EPA had warned, affecting less than 2 per cent of the surface
water area even in the Adirondacks, the most heavily impacted
region. And the connections between acid rain and acid lakes
were statistically too weak to correlate.

THE CONTINUING MYTHOLOGY ABOUT ACID RAIN


Interesting that you seem to be quoting a political blog on a matter of science.

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No, it's not from a blog...it is from:

Warren T. Brookes was a longtime journalist with the Boston Herald and the Detroit News and a nationally-syndicated columnist.

In 1991 the Competitive Enterprise Institute established the Warren T. Brookes Journalism Fellowship to identify and train journalists who wish to improve their knowledge of environmental issues and free market economics.

Competitive Enterprise Institute

The Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) is a non-profit libertarian think tank founded in 1984 by Fred L. Smith, Jr and based in Washington, D.C., USA. CEI's stated belief is that people are best helped not by government regulation of commercial interests, but by people being allowed to make their own choices in a free marketplace.

CEI is an outspoken anthropogenic climate change denialist and an opponent of government action that would require limits on greenhouse gas emissions. It favors free-market environmentalism, claiming that market institutions are more effective in protecting the environment than is government

According to page nine of a report from the CEI contained on the University of California, San Francisco's Legacy Tobacco Documents Library (LTDL), the following companies and foundations were among those listed as supporting CEI's work with annual contributions of at least $10,000, currently the CEI's "Entrepreneurs" level:

Funding
Aequus Institute, Amoco Foundation, Inc., Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, Coca-Cola Company, E.L. Craig Foundation, CSX Corporation, Earhart Foundation, Fieldstead and Co., FMC Foundation, Ford Motor Company Fund, Gilder Foundation, Koch Family Foundations (including the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation, David H. Koch Charitable Foundation, and Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation), Philip M. McKenna Foundation, Inc., Curtis and Edith Munson Foundation, Philip Morris Companies, Inc., Pfizer Inc., Precision Valve Corporation, Prince Foundation, Rodney Fund, Sheldon Rose, Scaife Foundations (Carthage Foundation and Sarah Scaife Foundation), and Texaco, Inc. (Texaco Foundation).

Other documents in the LTDL show that CEI has received funding directly from various tobacco companies, For example, the listing on the Philip Morris Glossary of Names: C gives the note "Received public policy grant from Philip Morris (1995); Pro-market public interest group dedicated to advancing the principles of free enterprise and limited government."

ExxonMobil Corporation was a major donor to CEI, with over $2 million in contributions between 1998 and 2005. In 2002 the company gave $405,000;[9] in 2004 it gave CEI $180,000 that was earmarked for "global climate change and global climate change outreach." In 2006, the company announced that it had ended its funding for the group.

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Mr.Fitnah is a right wing pea brain who believes THIS is who are the experts on climate change:

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And THIS is who is out to save and protect our environment...

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It was real, but the effects were not what was predicted when it was studied ,the hysteria died down.

Under Kulp, NAPAP had recommended liming selected lake watersheds and mandating a phase-in of “clean coal” technology. The total cost for this proposal, which encompasses every acidic lake in the United States and Canada, is $50 million. There is no additional cost to power consumers, and — in the estimate of these 700 scientists — the entire problem would be solved. Ironically, when Mahoney, was asked what would happen to lake and stream acidity if nothing at all were done over the next fifty years, he replied: “Nothing.”

Acid Rain--NAPAP

Kulp and Krug were eventually redeemed in the EPA’s eyes, since they had the backing of essentially the entire scientific community, but the damage had been done. The report was heavily edited and modified to fit the political requirements forced into place by the environmental lobby backed by the northeastern mining interests. The amendments to the Clean Air Act were passed and signed by President Bush before the report’s release. Since these amendments contained market-based provisions for trading pollution credits, the Bush administration was reluctant to tamper with it, in order not to risk losing these provisions in a rewrite.

More recently, in 1996 NAPAP conducted an assessment of costs benefits and effectiveness of acid rain controls. Among other things this report concluded that “Most forest ecosystems are not currently known to be adversely impacted by acid deposition.” But under pressure from the Greens, it then dropped a significant acorn: “…if deposition levels [of SO2] are not reduced in areas where they are presently high, adverse effects may develop in more forests due to chronic, multiple-decade exposure.” Significantly, this speculative statement is completely unsupported by data in the report.


Now Obama wants to take the carbon trading scheme to the next level.
 
One of Brookes' last major articles was a devastating attack on Bush's director of the Office of Management and Budget, Richard Darman, whose performance, he wrote, "is the most disastrous failure in the history of the job."

He noted, for instance, that the five-year budget deficit forecast issued by Darman last year was 2,443% greater than his initial estimates made 18 months earlier, after counting in the effect of higher taxes and the non-existent "deficit reduction."

Based on that performance, Brookes wrote that, "Any corporate officer with one-tenth as big an error would be looking for a new line of work. Instead, Darman is still one of the most feared and powerful figures in the Bush White House."

In recent years, Brookes turned more and more to environmental issues, where he challenged the media and environmentalist line on such issues as the Clean Air Act, global warming, acid rain, ozone layer depletion, asbestos, lead, and alar sprayed on apples.


Fred Smith "He went into issues that were complex and found where the bodies were buried," said CEI's Smith, a former EPA official who has since soured on the agency's efforts to clean up the environment. "His willingness to challenge the EPA and (EPA Chairman) William Reilly were unparalleled."

Said Tyrell, who recently attended a weekend science conference with Brookes, "I was absolutely bowled over by what he knew about technology and science. Here he was sitting with scientists holding forth with them on an equal plane."

Brookes felt that environmentalists had adopted a "shoot first, ask questions later" attitude on issues, favoring long-term goals of de-industrialization and "small is beautiful."

He thought the costs inflicted on business and the economy through the implementation of plans to reduce global warming, acid rain and ozone depletion were more important to some environmentalists than actually establishing that such problems existed in the first place.

Brookes' response was not to simply assert his opinion that they were wrong, but to show through a plethora of data, which he explained in laymen's terms, and through easy-to-comprehend charts and tables, that there was little or no scientific basis for the latest alarms.

Radon seeping up from fissures in the ground, for example, is said by the EPA to cause up to 20,000 lung cancer deaths a year.

But Brookes, using data compiled by top researchers in the field, showed that persons living in areas with the greatest exposures to radon actually had lower lung cancer rates than those living in areas with little radon seepage.

Leaders & Successs: Warren Brookes
By Michael Fumento

Investor's Business Daily, January 3, 1992
Copyright 1992 Investor's Business Daily, Inc.

Bestselling author Michael Fumento writes about the legacy of Warren Brookes.
 
That this happened as Obama launches his bid for amnesty is no surprise.
I guess we will need more stimulus money and gas stamps for the poor.

You know what .... F..ck them. I will never understand the American worker voting republican.

Dutch,

It does demonstarte that the average American just isn't too bright. Like Ive always maintained - take California and New York out of the Union and you're left with a bunch of backward, religious fanatic, incapable of logical thought.

Wow the classic Liberal Elitist ideal.

at least you admit to it.
 
Acid rain was a myth a fraud , same as man made global warming .

Global Warming is skeptical, acid rain was a fact.

Do you really think that their no effect to anything we do to the environment? The Black Plague was cause by Human Waste. If we let pollution run wild it has effects.

Denying everything is just as bad and as harmful as accepting everything!

Yes and passing economically destructive Measures based on flawed science and fear mongering would be rather harmful as well.
 
That this happened as Obama launches his bid for amnesty is no surprise.
I guess we will need more stimulus money and gas stamps for the poor.

You know what .... F..ck them. I will never understand the American worker voting republican.

Dutch,

It does demonstarte that the average American just isn't too bright. Like Ive always maintained - take California and New York out of the Union and you're left with a bunch of backward, religious fanatic, incapable of logical thought.

Wow look at this tard!!!! California and New York is your idea of what's great? I tell you what you can have them but only if you take Obama and all the other slow people that are in charge. Deal?
 
Acid rain was a myth a fraud , same as man made global warming .

Global Warming is skeptical, acid rain was a fact.

Do you really think that their no effect to anything we do to the environment? The Black Plague was cause by Human Waste. If we let pollution run wild it has effects.

Denying everything is just as bad and as harmful as accepting everything!

Yes and passing economically destructive Measures based on flawed science and fear mongering would be rather harmful as well.
It been done.
The EPA vs. Ed Krug

In 1990, U.S. policy makers and environmental activists in the Bush Administration were embarrassed by the conclusions of a 10-year, half billion dollar, government-backed scientific assessment that said acid rain was not a problem. "Not a problem" was the wrong answer. What follows is an account of how EPA Administrator William Reilly delayed release of the report, activists forced costly and unnecessary acid rain provisions into the Clean Air Act, and one scientist was taught a hard lesson in environmental politics.

The EPA vs. Ed Krug
 
Albert Camus said, "It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners."

We've reach the point in this country where the executioner has more power than the victims. Even sound science is not safe from corporate interests and powerful lobbyists. These corporations have created their own stable of science 'deniers'...need to pollute to help the bottom line, we have well funded think tanks and an effective 'echo chamber' that will flood the airwaves and political talk shows with 'experts'...a media 'blitz...

It is always the same funding players as we see with the Competitive Enterprise Institute. And it is the same players and the same act we witnessed when tobacco's link to cancer was challenged.

What is sad; a substantial group of citizens are pea brains like Mr.Fitnah. They will gobble up this pile of steaming dogshit and say it's chocolate...
 
You know what .... F..ck them. I will never understand the American worker voting republican.

Dutch,

It does demonstarte that the average American just isn't too bright. Like Ive always maintained - take California and New York out of the Union and you're left with a bunch of backward, religious fanatic, incapable of logical thought.

Wow look at this tard!!!! California and New York is your idea of what's great? I tell you what you can have them but only if you take Obama and all the other slow people that are in charge. Deal?
Of course Cali and NY are his idea of great.

Hell Cali is the blue print for America. The fact that it is drowning in Debt created by the blue print means nothing to liberals.
 
"...only if you take Obama and all the other slow people that are in charge..."

Obama is a Negro and you claim he is slow? What does that say about white-Americans who overwhelmingly voted for him? My God they must all be retarded.
 
Albert Camus said, "It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners."

We've reach the point in this country where the executioner has more power than the victims. Even sound science is not safe from corporate interests and powerful lobbyists. These corporations have created their own stable of science 'deniers'...need to pollute to help the bottom line, we have well funded think tanks and an effective 'echo chamber' that will flood the airwaves and political talk shows with 'experts'...a media 'blitz...

It is always the same funding players as we see with the Competitive Enterprise Institute. And it is the same players and the same act we witnessed when tobacco's link to cancer was challenged.

What is sad; a substantial group of citizens are pea brains like Mr.Fitnah. They will gobble up this pile of steaming dogshit and say it's chocolate...
What is the connection between Ed Krug and the CEI?
 
That this happened as Obama launches his bid for amnesty is no surprise.
I guess we will need more stimulus money and gas stamps for the poor.

You know what .... F..ck them. I will never understand the American worker voting republican.

I totally agree....Why in the world would you vote for.

Smaller Government.
Strong national defense.
lower taxes.
Less regulation.
Less reliance on Government involvement in daily life.
 
"The EPA's irresponsible and heavy-handed action not only undermines Texas' successful clean air programs, but threatens thousands of Texas jobs, families, businesses and communities throughout our state," Perry said in a statement. "It will also likely curtail energy supplies and increase gasoline prices nationwide."
more by Rick Perry - Jun 30, 2010 - Houston Chronicle

EPA overturns 16-year-old Texas permit program
By RAMIT PLUSHNICK-MASTI (AP) – 1 day ago
HOUSTON — The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency on Wednesday officially overturned a 16-year-old Texas air permitting program it says violates the Clean Air Act, leaving some of the country's largest refineries in a state of limbo.
The move comes after years of backdoor bickering, negotiations and public arguments between the EPA and Texas. The argument recently escalated from a battle over environmental issues into a heated political dispute over states' rights.
Gov. Rick Perry has been using it to drive home his contention that President Barack Obama's administration is overreaching, saying in a statement Wednesday that "Texas will continue to fight this federal takeover of a successful state program."
The EPA's decision, announced in a statement, will force some 125 refineries and petrochemical plants to invest millions of dollars to get new permits. Many of the plants may also have to invest in updates to comply with federal regulations.
The decision did not come as a surprise to Texas or the industries. EPA regional director Al Armendariz has said for months he would disapprove the permits if Texas did not comply with the Clean Air Act.
The Texas Commission on Environmental Quality's chairman Bryan Shaw insisted Wednesday the state's permitting program complies with the Clean Air Act and has improved air quality in Texas. However, in an effort to satisfy the EPA's concerns, Shaw said the commission recently changed the rules but apparently the EPA "did not take them into consideration."

The Associated Press: EPA overturns 16-year-old Texas permit program


Cap and trade by another avenue .

This is his war on Oil. He will not stop until he kills the oil industry in this country, and he could care less what people in Texas think. They didn't vote for him. That is the same reason he is so lack luster on the spill. He wants it to be bad, so more people will support his war on oil. He can afford to ignore what is happening in Texas, LA, Mississippi, and FlA, because......you guessed it none of those states went for Obama in the Election last time. So he does not give a flying fuck what those people think. To the Marxist and Black Liberationists that Obama is those people in those states are the Enemy. Bitter people clinging to guns and religion.

I don't think anyone realizes just how badly we fucked up letting Obama win, and have a Democrat near Super Majority at the same time. I am afraid we will never get them out again. If They Push Amnesty through and get them all to vote before 2012 were toast.

Obama told us he planned to do all this. All you had to do was read his book and words from the past. Look at who he hung out with, and associated with. Listen to his words about Marx, and how our Constitution was flawed. Hear him say he was going to fundamentally change America, to know all this was coming.

He wants to collapse what is left of Capitalism in America so the people beg for Socialism.

He is the most Dangerous threat to our Freedom, and America as we all know and love it, we have ever known. Bar none.

Oil isn't ever going to be "killed." But it WILL NOT be what drives our energy eventually. You might as well just get used to the idea. It's high time that the oil industry, if it continues to pollute, start paying its fair share in taxes to at least help control the filth at goes into the atmosphere. Last year Exxon Mobil paid ZERO in taxes and actually got a refund of around $150 million. So yes, I'd like to bury them. Let Texans go back to raising cattle so it's edible once it reaches market. Or become its own country (even better).
 
The Hussein knows that oil is the lifeblood of our economy. The sooner he can destroy it, the sooner he can bring the whole country down for good. All so he can rebuild it brick by brick in his vision of a national socialist union.

All of you morons are the most UNread, therefore UNeducated people I've ever encountered. You're all fired up thinking there's gonna be some kind of civil war over Barack Obama and his [fill in the blank] policy. You have no clue what you're even mad about, if you're stupid enough to think the state of the nation is 100% the fault of one man trying to impose socialism. Grow up, expand your homework beyond the right wing loudmouths, and actually learn something for a change.
 
You know what .... F..ck them. I will never understand the American worker voting republican.

Dutch,

It does demonstarte that the average American just isn't too bright. Like Ive always maintained - take California and New York out of the Union and you're left with a bunch of backward, religious fanatic, incapable of logical thought.

California is broke because of decades of overtaxation and NY is literally being lead by the blind down the same path. Two shinning examples of the failures of liberalism. :lol:

Oh I see, so for all of you who clamour for states to have more power, the shining example is actually that they don't do so well on their own, do they...
 
Dutch,

It does demonstarte that the average American just isn't too bright. Like Ive always maintained - take California and New York out of the Union and you're left with a bunch of backward, religious fanatic, incapable of logical thought.

California is broke because of decades of overtaxation and NY is literally being lead by the blind down the same path. Two shinning examples of the failures of liberalism. :lol:

Oh I see, so for all of you who clamour for states to have more power, the shining example is actually that they don't do so well on their own, do they...

California is broke because of failed policies. Texas seems to be doing pretty well as are other western states where they have fiscal responsibility. The republican governor of New Jersey is also doing very well, but the labor unions and government workers are crying like spoiled children.
 
Whatever the old EPA did positive, the new unimproved EPA is only erecting hurdles, delaying timely and effective local govt's response to the Gulf oil spill.
Ironic that on July 4th, the oil spill will be '76 days old.
 
If it's war Barry wants, it's war he'll get. Boy, get ready for the big counterattack in November and expect lots of casualties on your side.

Frankly, I can't wait. I'll give it about six months and then you'll need to defend yourselves against an onslaught from the rest of us who will be hammering you over what your guys have actually done to move the country forward. Republicans think they have better solutions and will be able to get 'er done immediately. What a joke. Republicans will NOT reduce the major programs that need to be scaled down. The three major ones that cause all the deficit problems are Social Security, Medicare (and now including the new Health Care Reform), and Defense. There are far too many voters who will say cut anything, but don't cut my ____________. (Falling within the above categories.)
 
Incidentally, as evidence that even Republicans from less environmentally-inclined states knew that what they were doing was fundamentally wrong, Oklahoma Senator Tom Coburn summed up his position by saying, "even if it's the right thing to do, it's not the right time."

Coburn's point seemed to be that the economy this year can't handle new clean-air regulations. But the EPA has already published schedules making it clear that any regulations it issues will not even be proposed this year, and compliance dates for the limited number of major polluters that will be affected are years in the future.

Carl Pope: A Victory for Common Sense

So much for the prognosticators at the Huffington Post.

I can't figure out why we even have a Clean Air Act, when nobody complies with it anyway.
 
He defines himself, he's a global warming progressive just like Mccain.

Let me say to my colleagues, I am proud of my record on climate change. I have been all over the world, and I have seen climate change. I know it is real, and I will be glad to continue this debate with my colleagues and people who do not agree with that. I believe climate change is real.

MCAIN

It is real. Nice derailment, btw.
 

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