Obama Girls Benefit from Private School

[MaggieMae]

Can private schools provide a better education than public schools? Of course and that is why those that can afford a private education will continue to to do so.

The idea that the Obama's should sent their kids to public school with all the inherent issues of safety and security to the First children is just so much blather.

This is really just a cover for those that want to destroy public education.

No, it's just a sampling of a daily rant against Obama. Ho-hum.

I can't think of any other children of presidents who attended a DC public school except Amy Carter, who hated it.

As yours is a sampling of defending the indefensible via deflection.

Why is pointing out that few politicians (and presidents) send their kids to private schools a "deflection"? What ARE we talking about here? The weather in DC?

 

[DamnYankee]

Why do people expect Obama to put his girls in public school? He can afford to send his children to a public school, and given his position as President, that's not a radical idea.

The other issue is that Obama is phasing out a bad idea program from the Bush administration that gives public education monies to private schools. Government funding of private schools brings with it government control – and the higher the level of government involved, the more serious the problem.


"Why Federal School Vouchers Are a Bad Idea" by Andrew J. Coulson (Cato Institute: Daily Commentary)

Who expects Obama to put his kids in public schools? It's the hypocrisy of his position as leader of the "little guy's" party behaving in elitist fashion that is the issue. If Democrats are so damned concerned about public education, as is a basic tenet of their platform, then put your money where your mouth is.

But no, you want to put MY money where your mouth is while you spend yours on something else. I have no problem with someone spending what they earn on what they want. I'm all for it.

I DO have a problem with them funding their ideas with my money and spending theirs on what they want.

Your second paragraph ignores the real issue. Why are there vouchers? obviously public education is lacking. The vouchers might be a band aid, but they're better than nothing. And nothing is what has so far been offered in place of vouchers.

Obama is reversing Bush's bad decisions, that's why he won the election.

'Scuse me, but with the exception of a couple of EOs, Obama has been ever-so-very-carefully following in the footprints left by Bush. Or haven't you noticed yet?

 

[MaggieMae]

No more "faux" than your "outrage." If people using private schools were THAT concerned about public schools they'd be donating the money they spend on private schools to the public school system to make them better for EVERYONE, not just their own kids.

That in and of itself wouldn't be so bad if your political party didn't sell itself as the party of the little guy, the regular joe. Actions speak louder than words.

Actions speak louder than words. 95% of school voucher funds go to religious schools.

I agree with Obama's position on reversing the Bush Admn support of religious schools with government funds which violated First Amendment rights--separation of Church and state.

So? What percentage of private schools are religious?

I have to reassess my claim that MM's and sillybooboo's posts are the lamest. You just took the lead.

I couldn't give a shit what you think. All you post are insults, which says volumes.

 

[DamnYankee]

I, for one, didn't say that he didn't care. In fact, I've detailed what he says he cares about -- except OTHER THINGS take priority while OTHER PEOPLE WAIT for the promised change(s).

if i'm following what you said, then i'd have to say that's life. people wait for lots of things to get fixed.... the guy has only been in office three months.

and besides... the poor public school kids having to "wait for change" wasn't the point of the thread. the point of the thread was another whine about obama.

Lame. Apparently 3 months is enough time to cut voucher funding. I can't wait to hear y'all use that excuse when it's "he's only been in office 3 1/2 years". And you'll say it with a straight face.

The point of the thread is more out-of-touch, elitist hypocrisy from the leader of "the party of the people." Your attempt to brush it off with a lame accusation changes the facts not one whit.

Not to mention, the urgency of the Stimulus Bill, which he made sure included Education funding, after having reprioritized it, and while holding his nose to avoid the smell of the pork in the urgent Stimulus Bill.

 

[HUGGY]

But poor blacks in DC probably wouldn't.

Right?

Hit & Run > When It Comes to School Choice For Low-Income DC Residents, Obama Offers Crumb (And Is One) - Reason Magazine

President Obama, proud father of two daughters attending private school, has relented as little as possible when it comes to continuing the proven-effective, cost-effective DC school voucher program, which gives 1,700 kids up to $7,500 per year to get the hell out of the DC public school system. From the Wash Post and following a rally for the program yesterday:

This REALLY, REALLY pisses me off. If Obama believes so much in what this particular urban school district is doing, his kids should be attending there. Put your FAMILY where your mouth is, and then we'll all know you're telling the truth. But instead, he's just thrown a biscuit to the powerful teacher's union, and shown us that he's kind of a hypocrite..."Do as I say, not as I do."

You've been eating "smart" pills...right? In what parallel universe or this one would you have a presidents child go to a public school? Your partisanship and the blindness to reality you pay as membership dues leads you to say so astounding bullshit.

 

[MaggieMae]

Okay, I don't get it. What's THIS all about?

President Obama Proposes $52 Million Increase for Public Charter Schools
May 7, 2009

Washington, D.C. – National Alliance for Public Charter Schools President and CEO Nelson Smith made the following statement today concerning the President’s budget proposal for education and public charter schools in FY 2010:

“President Obama has taken a strong first step toward fulfilling his campaign promise to double federal funding for public charter schools. His budget calls for $52 million in new funds for the Charter Schools Program, the State Facilities Incentive Grants, and the Credit Enhancement for Charter School Facilities Program.

“This increased funding, a 25% increase over Fiscal 2009, will provide new resources to start up high-quality public charter schools and help them deal with the difficulties of accessing capital support at the state level. We appreciate the strong statement the President is making here with a large increase in charter school funding at a time when resources are tight. We understand that President Obama expects great things from high-quality charter schools – and we look forward to surpassing those expectations.

“In the Office on Innovation and Improvement, the charter programs received the second largest increase of all programs, a signal of their importance to the President. The Teacher Incentive Fund (TIF) received a substantial increase as well, increasing funding from $97 million to $717 million. Of that, $517 million will be competitively granted out to eligible entities, including charter school LEAs. In a time when so many of our schools are seeking to create innovative pay systems to reward excellent teachers, this new investment will help solidify existing programs, seed new ones, and research the effects of performance-based compensation.

“Additionally, we are very pleased that $10 million was added this year for the President’s Promise Neighborhoods Initiative, based on the success of the Harlem Children’s Zone (HCZ) and the public charter schools operating there. Grants will be made to non-profit community-based organizations to develop programs that address the needs of children in poverty, from birth to college. We expect that many charter school operators will be able to replicate the success of HCZ around the country as a result of this funding.”

Press Releases | National Alliance for Public Charter Schools

 

[DamnYankee]

Okay, I don't get it. What's THIS all about?

President Obama Proposes $52 Million Increase for Public Charter Schools
May 7, 2009

Washington, D.C. – National Alliance for Public Charter Schools President and CEO Nelson Smith made the following statement today concerning the President’s budget proposal for education and public charter schools in FY 2010:

“President Obama has taken a strong first step toward fulfilling his campaign promise to double federal funding for public charter schools. His budget calls for $52 million in new funds for the Charter Schools Program, the State Facilities Incentive Grants, and the Credit Enhancement for Charter School Facilities Program.

“This increased funding, a 25% increase over Fiscal 2009, will provide new resources to start up high-quality public charter schools and help them deal with the difficulties of accessing capital support at the state level. We appreciate the strong statement the President is making here with a large increase in charter school funding at a time when resources are tight. We understand that President Obama expects great things from high-quality charter schools – and we look forward to surpassing those expectations.

“In the Office on Innovation and Improvement, the charter programs received the second largest increase of all programs, a signal of their importance to the President. The Teacher Incentive Fund (TIF) received a substantial increase as well, increasing funding from $97 million to $717 million. Of that, $517 million will be competitively granted out to eligible entities, including charter school LEAs. In a time when so many of our schools are seeking to create innovative pay systems to reward excellent teachers, this new investment will help solidify existing programs, seed new ones, and research the effects of performance-based compensation.

“Additionally, we are very pleased that $10 million was added this year for the President’s Promise Neighborhoods Initiative, based on the success of the Harlem Children’s Zone (HCZ) and the public charter schools operating there. Grants will be made to non-profit community-based organizations to develop programs that address the needs of children in poverty, from birth to college. We expect that many charter school operators will be able to replicate the success of HCZ around the country as a result of this funding.”

Press Releases | National Alliance for Public Charter Schools

There are two principles that guide charter schools. First is that they will operate as autonomous public schools, through waivers from many of the procedural requirements of district public schools. The second is that charter schools are accountable for student achievement. To date, 11% of the over 4000 charter schools founded in the United States have closed for reasons including academic, financial, and managerial problems, and occasionally consolidation or district interference.[6]

The rules and structure of charter schools depend on state authorizing legislation and differ from state to state. A charter school is authorized to function once it has received a charter, a statutorily defined performance contract detailing the school's mission, program, goals, students served, methods of assessment, and ways to measure success. The length of time for which charters are granted varies, but most are granted for 3–5 years. Charter schools are held accountable to their sponsor—a local school board, state education agency, university, or other entity—to produce positive academic results and adhere to the charter contract. While this accountability is one of the key arguments in favor of charters, evidence gathered by the United States Department of Education suggests that charter schools are not, in practice, held to higher standards of accountability than traditional public schools.[7]
Charter school - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[MaggieMae]

Okay, I don't get it. What's THIS all about?

President Obama Proposes $52 Million Increase for Public Charter Schools
May 7, 2009

Washington, D.C. – National Alliance for Public Charter Schools President and CEO Nelson Smith made the following statement today concerning the President’s budget proposal for education and public charter schools in FY 2010:

“President Obama has taken a strong first step toward fulfilling his campaign promise to double federal funding for public charter schools. His budget calls for $52 million in new funds for the Charter Schools Program, the State Facilities Incentive Grants, and the Credit Enhancement for Charter School Facilities Program.

“This increased funding, a 25% increase over Fiscal 2009, will provide new resources to start up high-quality public charter schools and help them deal with the difficulties of accessing capital support at the state level. We appreciate the strong statement the President is making here with a large increase in charter school funding at a time when resources are tight. We understand that President Obama expects great things from high-quality charter schools – and we look forward to surpassing those expectations.

“In the Office on Innovation and Improvement, the charter programs received the second largest increase of all programs, a signal of their importance to the President. The Teacher Incentive Fund (TIF) received a substantial increase as well, increasing funding from $97 million to $717 million. Of that, $517 million will be competitively granted out to eligible entities, including charter school LEAs. In a time when so many of our schools are seeking to create innovative pay systems to reward excellent teachers, this new investment will help solidify existing programs, seed new ones, and research the effects of performance-based compensation.

“Additionally, we are very pleased that $10 million was added this year for the President’s Promise Neighborhoods Initiative, based on the success of the Harlem Children’s Zone (HCZ) and the public charter schools operating there. Grants will be made to non-profit community-based organizations to develop programs that address the needs of children in poverty, from birth to college. We expect that many charter school operators will be able to replicate the success of HCZ around the country as a result of this funding.”

Press Releases | National Alliance for Public Charter Schools

There are two principles that guide charter schools. First is that they will operate as autonomous public schools, through waivers from many of the procedural requirements of district public schools. The second is that charter schools are accountable for student achievement. To date, 11% of the over 4000 charter schools founded in the United States have closed for reasons including academic, financial, and managerial problems, and occasionally consolidation or district interference.[6]

The rules and structure of charter schools depend on state authorizing legislation and differ from state to state. A charter school is authorized to function once it has received a charter, a statutorily defined performance contract detailing the school's mission, program, goals, students served, methods of assessment, and ways to measure success. The length of time for which charters are granted varies, but most are granted for 3–5 years. Charter schools are held accountable to their sponsor—a local school board, state education agency, university, or other entity—to produce positive academic results and adhere to the charter contract. While this accountability is one of the key arguments in favor of charters, evidence gathered by the United States Department of Education suggests that charter schools are not, in practice, held to higher standards of accountability than traditional public schools.[7]
Charter school - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sooooo...this looks like it was DC that cut the funding, no? Why is Obama getting blamed?

D.C. charter schools cry foul on budget - Washington Times

 

[DamnYankee]

Okay, I don't get it. What's THIS all about?

President Obama Proposes $52 Million Increase for Public Charter Schools
May 7, 2009

Washington, D.C. – National Alliance for Public Charter Schools President and CEO Nelson Smith made the following statement today concerning the President’s budget proposal for education and public charter schools in FY 2010:

“President Obama has taken a strong first step toward fulfilling his campaign promise to double federal funding for public charter schools. His budget calls for $52 million in new funds for the Charter Schools Program, the State Facilities Incentive Grants, and the Credit Enhancement for Charter School Facilities Program.

“This increased funding, a 25% increase over Fiscal 2009, will provide new resources to start up high-quality public charter schools and help them deal with the difficulties of accessing capital support at the state level. We appreciate the strong statement the President is making here with a large increase in charter school funding at a time when resources are tight. We understand that President Obama expects great things from high-quality charter schools – and we look forward to surpassing those expectations.

“In the Office on Innovation and Improvement, the charter programs received the second largest increase of all programs, a signal of their importance to the President. The Teacher Incentive Fund (TIF) received a substantial increase as well, increasing funding from $97 million to $717 million. Of that, $517 million will be competitively granted out to eligible entities, including charter school LEAs. In a time when so many of our schools are seeking to create innovative pay systems to reward excellent teachers, this new investment will help solidify existing programs, seed new ones, and research the effects of performance-based compensation.

“Additionally, we are very pleased that $10 million was added this year for the President’s Promise Neighborhoods Initiative, based on the success of the Harlem Children’s Zone (HCZ) and the public charter schools operating there. Grants will be made to non-profit community-based organizations to develop programs that address the needs of children in poverty, from birth to college. We expect that many charter school operators will be able to replicate the success of HCZ around the country as a result of this funding.”

Press Releases | National Alliance for Public Charter Schools

There are two principles that guide charter schools. First is that they will operate as autonomous public schools, through waivers from many of the procedural requirements of district public schools. The second is that charter schools are accountable for student achievement. To date, 11% of the over 4000 charter schools founded in the United States have closed for reasons including academic, financial, and managerial problems, and occasionally consolidation or district interference.[6]

The rules and structure of charter schools depend on state authorizing legislation and differ from state to state. A charter school is authorized to function once it has received a charter, a statutorily defined performance contract detailing the school's mission, program, goals, students served, methods of assessment, and ways to measure success. The length of time for which charters are granted varies, but most are granted for 3–5 years. Charter schools are held accountable to their sponsor—a local school board, state education agency, university, or other entity—to produce positive academic results and adhere to the charter contract. While this accountability is one of the key arguments in favor of charters, evidence gathered by the United States Department of Education suggests that charter schools are not, in practice, held to higher standards of accountability than traditional public schools.[7]
Charter school - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sooooo...this looks like it was DC that cut the funding, no? Why is Obama getting blamed?

D.C. charter schools cry foul on budget - Washington Times

Dayum.... I don't recall anyone blaming Obama for this specific cut, nor is he blamed in the Times article.

Leaders of the District's public charter schools are appeal ing to D.C. Council

members in the wake of Mayor Adrian M. Fenty's proposed $24 million, or 26 percent, funding cut.

Lawmakers have until May 12 to amend the mayor's budget before voting on it.

The proposed cuts followed the release of city-audited enrollment data that showed a 17 percent increase in student enrollment in public charter schools and an 8.5 percent drop in enrollment in city-run schools.

The cutting is to the charter schools' facilities allowance, which is used to lease, buy and renovate buildings. The mayor's budget, meanwhile, would increase facilities funding for city-run schools by $13 million, or 5 percent.

Victor Reinoso, deputy mayor for education, told the council earlier this month that the $66 million allotted for charter school facilities is "sufficient to support all current facilities costs with a 10 percent growth rate."

 

[DiveCon]

No more "faux" than your "outrage." If people using private schools were THAT concerned about public schools they'd be donating the money they spend on private schools to the public school system to make them better for EVERYONE, not just their own kids.

That in and of itself wouldn't be so bad if your political party didn't sell itself as the party of the little guy, the regular joe. Actions speak louder than words.

Actions speak louder than words. 95% of school voucher funds go to religious schools.

I agree with Obama's position on reversing the Bush Admn support of religious schools with government funds.

Um ... where did you get that statistic?

Considering all religious schools are private schools and most private schools are religious schools. If they supported private schooling more then there would be more non-religious schools.

she pulled it out of her ass, like MOST statistics posted on message boards

 

[Nik]

The school that Obama is sending his kids to go too costs $30,000 a year. Do you all really think the government should be spending that much, per pupil, per year?

The fact that private schools in the aggregate are not better than public schools in the aggregate does not diminish the fact that there are very good schools in both the public, and the private sectors, and one can choose a school from either to go too in some areas.

 

[Harry Dresden]

assuming you have kids, which I'm guessing you don't, are you going to your local school board meetings and demanding that the board slash funding for the district your kids go to school in?

i have one 30 yrs old.....and people who do now, have clashes with the board on funding many times....the teachers union in alliance with the local politicians trump everyone....they are tough to beat.....its THEIR money

 

[Harry Dresden]

Why do people expect Obama to put his girls in public school? He can afford to send his children to a public school, and given his position as President, that's not a radical idea.

The other issue is that Obama is phasing out a bad idea program from the Bush administration that gives public education monies to private schools. Government funding of private schools brings with it government control – and the higher the level of government involved, the more serious the problem.


"Why Federal School Vouchers Are a Bad Idea" by Andrew J. Coulson (Cato Institute: Daily Commentary)

Who expects Obama to put his kids in public schools? It's the hypocrisy of his position as leader of the "little guy's" party behaving in elitist fashion that is the issue. If Democrats are so damned concerned about public education, as is a basic tenet of their platform, then put your money where your mouth is.

But no, you want to put MY money where your mouth is while you spend yours on something else. I have no problem with someone spending what they earn on what they want. I'm all for it.

I DO have a problem with them funding their ideas with my money and spending theirs on what they want.

Your second paragraph ignores the real issue. Why are there vouchers? obviously public education is lacking. The vouchers might be a band aid, but they're better than nothing. And nothing is what has so far been offered in place of vouchers.

Obama is reversing Bush's bad decisions, that's why he won the election.

Sky....do you understand what Gunny is saying here?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Which goes to the subject title. Why wouldn't the Obamas want the best for their kids too? He will continue to advocate for better education and better opportunities for all kids, but in the meantime, the implication is that he should not be concerned about his own children and send them off to a lousy school just to be politically correct.

HE IS BEING A HYPERCRITE MAGGIE....telling you NO you cant,vouchers not for you,your kid goes to the shitty school,mine will go to good school....bottom line.....i dont want your little juvenile delinquents going to my kids school.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

The school that Obama is sending his kids to go too costs $30,000 a year. Do you all really think the government should be spending that much, per pupil, per year?

maybe not,but i should have the right to say give me what you spend on my kid per year so i can send him to a private school and i will pay the balance....

 

[Nik]

Which goes to the subject title. Why wouldn't the Obamas want the best for their kids too? He will continue to advocate for better education and better opportunities for all kids, but in the meantime, the implication is that he should not be concerned about his own children and send them off to a lousy school just to be politically correct.

HE IS BEING A HYPERCRITE MAGGIE....telling you NO you cant,vouchers not for you,your kid goes to the shitty school,mine will go to good school....bottom line.....i dont want your little juvenile delinquents going to my kids school.....

No, hes not. Even with a voucher program, most kids couldn't go there. He is trying to do the best for society while simultaneously trying to do the best for his kids. Exclusive, insanely private schools are really good for exactly that reason. Open it up to everyone, and they won't be good anymore. Its the nature of the beast.

 

[Nik]

The school that Obama is sending his kids to go too costs $30,000 a year. Do you all really think the government should be spending that much, per pupil, per year?

maybe not,but i should have the right to say give me what you spend on my kid per year so i can send him to a private school and i will pay the balance....

Except that hes trying to fight for affordable education, not create a program for the upper middle class kids who can't afford to go to really rich schools.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Which goes to the subject title. Why wouldn't the Obamas want the best for their kids too? He will continue to advocate for better education and better opportunities for all kids, but in the meantime, the implication is that he should not be concerned about his own children and send them off to a lousy school just to be politically correct.

HE IS BEING A HYPERCRITE MAGGIE....telling you NO you cant,vouchers not for you,your kid goes to the shitty school,mine will go to good school....bottom line.....i dont want your little juvenile delinquents going to my kids school.....

No, hes not. Even with a voucher program, most kids couldn't go there. He is trying to do the best for society while simultaneously trying to do the best for his kids. Exclusive, insanely private schools are really good for exactly that reason. Open it up to everyone, and they won't be good anymore. Its the nature of the beast.

then ok vouchers.....if i can afford it with the help of that voucher then let me do it....dont tell me no....

 

[Nik]

HE IS BEING A HYPERCRITE MAGGIE....telling you NO you cant,vouchers not for you,your kid goes to the shitty school,mine will go to good school....bottom line.....i dont want your little juvenile delinquents going to my kids school.....

No, hes not. Even with a voucher program, most kids couldn't go there. He is trying to do the best for society while simultaneously trying to do the best for his kids. Exclusive, insanely private schools are really good for exactly that reason. Open it up to everyone, and they won't be good anymore. Its the nature of the beast.

then ok vouchers.....if i can afford it with the help of that voucher then let me do it....dont tell me no....

If you can "only" afford $17,000 a year to send your kid to a private school, you can send your kid somewhere else. No need for the government to take away from public schools to subsidize that.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The school that Obama is sending his kids to go too costs $30,000 a year. Do you all really think the government should be spending that much, per pupil, per year?

maybe not,but i should have the right to say give me what you spend on my kid per year so i can send him to a private school and i will pay the balance....

Except that hes trying to fight for affordable education, not create a program for the upper middle class kids who can't afford to go to really rich schools.

you know what Nic...tough shit....each year this problem goes on with the idiots in charge,your kid gets older and another grade passes,and he keeps getting a sub-par education...10 years later he got a sub-par education,while the kid in the private school got a great education,and its all happening while our so-called leaders play their fucking political games at the expense of the kids of today and tomorrow, .....you do whats best for those kids and society and they had better do it quick....if you care about your kids you want them in a good school NOW.....