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I don't agree with you. Some private schools can and do suck as bad as some public schools.But the other thing is that being poor sucks, and is hard in America. Until you address the underlying causes, there will be lots of kids who grow up in really shitty situations with really poor parents. Theres only so much the schools can do.
And yet, there are many inner city schools in poor areas that are managing to teach children to read. Shockers.
If what you say is true, and poor people are doomed to fail in school, then the voucher program makes MORE sense. Let the kids who can make it out flee from the failure and make something of themselves.
exactlyI don't agree with you. Some private schools can and do suck as bad as some public schools.And yet, there are many inner city schools in poor areas that are managing to teach children to read. Shockers.
If what you say is true, and poor people are doomed to fail in school, then the voucher program makes MORE sense. Let the kids who can make it out flee from the failure and make something of themselves.
And since the parents are paying for it they can pull them out and put them someplace else if they don't like the school. Wouldn't it be great if poor, public school students had the same option?
exactlyI don't agree with you. Some private schools can and do suck as bad as some public schools.
And since the parents are paying for it they can pull them out and put them someplace else if they don't like the school. Wouldn't it be great if poor, public school students had the same option?
too bad they want the kids stuck in whatever hell hole happens to cover their geographic area
Sure...but if you eliminate the public schools you eliminate that choice.I don't agree with you. Some private schools can and do suck as bad as some public schools.And yet, there are many inner city schools in poor areas that are managing to teach children to read. Shockers.
If what you say is true, and poor people are doomed to fail in school, then the voucher program makes MORE sense. Let the kids who can make it out flee from the failure and make something of themselves.
And since the parents are paying for it they can pull them out and put them someplace else if they don't like the school. Wouldn't it be great if poor, public school students had the same option?
Harry, I've presented empirical evidence illustrating the role of vouchers in adversely affecting prospects for equality of opportunity. Where's your evidence?
evidence of what?....are you reading what im writing there?
Sure...but if you eliminate the public schools you eliminate that choice.I don't agree with you. Some private schools can and do suck as bad as some public schools.
And since the parents are paying for it they can pull them out and put them someplace else if they don't like the school. Wouldn't it be great if poor, public school students had the same option?
evidence of what?....are you reading what im writing there?
What are you writing? I presented plenty of evidence of vouchers increasing inequality of opportunity. Plenty here simply kept babbling on whilst ignoring the studies that had been quoted.
It's about the choice of a better quality school if you/your children happen to live in a district that sucks.
evidence of what?....are you reading what im writing there?
What are you writing? I presented plenty of evidence of vouchers increasing inequality of opportunity. Plenty here simply kept babbling on whilst ignoring the studies that had been quoted.
It's about the choice of a better quality school if you/your children happen to live in a district that sucks.
That's it, exactly. Too many kids are trapped in failing schools without the option of leaving. It's fine that we want to improve schools, and quite obviously, we should. You'll never see a bigger proponent of the need to improve inner city schools as the primary element of attaining social justice in the community, than me. BUT...until that happens, you have to give people a way out. You need a relief valve. Too many kids are falling through the cracks in failing schools with no real choice.
Immediate relief is needed until change happens.
It's about the choice of a better quality school if you/your children happen to live in a district that sucks.
That's it, exactly. Too many kids are trapped in failing schools without the option of leaving. It's fine that we want to improve schools, and quite obviously, we should. You'll never see a bigger proponent of the need to improve inner city schools as the primary element of attaining social justice in the community, than me. BUT...until that happens, you have to give people a way out. You need a relief valve. Too many kids are falling through the cracks in failing schools with no real choice.
Immediate relief is needed until change happens.
and that needs to be done on a LOCAL level
get the feds the hell out of it
no, because it isnt the constitutional job of the feds to do anything about educationand that needs to be done on a LOCAL levelThat's it, exactly. Too many kids are trapped in failing schools without the option of leaving. It's fine that we want to improve schools, and quite obviously, we should. You'll never see a bigger proponent of the need to improve inner city schools as the primary element of attaining social justice in the community, than me. BUT...until that happens, you have to give people a way out. You need a relief valve. Too many kids are falling through the cracks in failing schools with no real choice.
Immediate relief is needed until change happens.
get the feds the hell out of it
That is irrational...unless you just hate people in small communities ..pockets of poverty...maybe a town that lost its major source of employment. What??...just fuck those folks?
What the hell is wrong with you? Did some poor kid beat your ass down and take your lunch money when you were a child?
Grow up...stand up and be a man. Why do we help those in need? Because we can.
I think getting rid of No Child Left Behind would be a first, positive step. Unfunded federal mandates do nothing but hurt the States.no, because it isnt the constitutional job of the feds to do anything about educationand that needs to be done on a LOCAL level
get the feds the hell out of it
That is irrational...unless you just hate people in small communities ..pockets of poverty...maybe a town that lost its major source of employment. What??...just fuck those folks?
What the hell is wrong with you? Did some poor kid beat your ass down and take your lunch money when you were a child?
Grow up...stand up and be a man. Why do we help those in need? Because we can.
that is a LOCAL responsibility
you dont like it, change the constitution
NCLB wasnt unfundedI think getting rid of No Child Left Behind would be a first, positive step. Unfunded federal mandates do nothing but hurt the States.no, because it isnt the constitutional job of the feds to do anything about educationThat is irrational...unless you just hate people in small communities ..pockets of poverty...maybe a town that lost its major source of employment. What??...just fuck those folks?
What the hell is wrong with you? Did some poor kid beat your ass down and take your lunch money when you were a child?
Grow up...stand up and be a man. Why do we help those in need? Because we can.
that is a LOCAL responsibility
you dont like it, change the constitution
NCLB wasnt unfundedI think getting rid of No Child Left Behind would be a first, positive step. Unfunded federal mandates do nothing but hurt the States.no, because it isnt the constitutional job of the feds to do anything about education
that is a LOCAL responsibility
you dont like it, change the constitution
that wasnt the problem
the problem was you had people in DC telling people in the local schools what to do
and most of the time those in DC dont have a CLUE whats needed in the local areas
i agree to do away with it
but also do away with the whole department of education, and cut taxes accordingly and let the state/local governemtn tax that money for what they need
notice i'm not saying to cut taxes and not raise them in other areas, but to cut the federal taxes so the state/locals can get that money
thats why we need to eliminate the middle manNCLB wasnt unfundedI think getting rid of No Child Left Behind would be a first, positive step. Unfunded federal mandates do nothing but hurt the States.
that wasnt the problem
the problem was you had people in DC telling people in the local schools what to do
and most of the time those in DC dont have a CLUE whats needed in the local areas
i agree to do away with it
but also do away with the whole department of education, and cut taxes accordingly and let the state/local governemtn tax that money for what they need
notice i'm not saying to cut taxes and not raise them in other areas, but to cut the federal taxes so the state/locals can get that money
Since property taxes pay a good portion, and the States/locals hand money over to the Feds that the Feds turn around and give back, there probably wouldn't be a need to raise them too much anyway.
