Obama defenders: explain how this IS NOT A LIE? "I will not raise your payroll taxes"

[Coyote]

I don't know about all this messiah crap, that's something you guys on the right came up with but, from what I gather Obama hasn't raised payroll taxes.

The payroll tax "holiday" was implemented as a temporary measure to stimulate the economy. When it expires it expires unless Congress decides to continue it.

Farrakhan a right winger?
[ame=http://youtu.be/srk18X804hQ]Farrakhan Heralds Obama as Messiah - YouTube[/ame]

Farrakhan is a nut.

Who keeps referring to him as a Messiah?

No need to answer. We both know it's not the left.

 

[NYcarbineer]

40 Republican Senators voted for what you people are calling a tax increase. Why don't you start 40 threads about each one of them?

SIMPLE! NONE of them made the stupid statement:

"I can make a firm pledge: Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.”

OBAMA RAN ON NO tax increase!

Yet affective Jan 1,2013 REGARDLESS of who SIGNED the legislation, OBAMA AS THE EXECUTIVE signed the bill to allow MORE MONEY to be taken from 77% of Americans!
That is the Perception!
Obama signed the bill AFTER HE PLEDGED Promised NO payroll tax increases!

YET 77% of Americans are seeing less in their paychecks because HE BROKE HIS PLEDGE!!!

NO other way to look at it! Remember Bush LIED about WMDs right? NONE were found RIGHT?
Well Obama LIED DIRECTLY to voters.."NO form of tax increases.. not your payroll tax!"
LIED!!!

There isn't a payroll tax increase in the bill he signed you idiot.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Now that payroll taxes have increased and everyone can pretty much look at their own paystubs to see how much, will they still say he didn't increase payroll taxes?

He didn't. Congress never sent him a payroll tax cut extension.

 

[EriktheRed]

Now that payroll taxes have increased and everyone can pretty much look at their own paystubs to see how much, will they still say he didn't increase payroll taxes?

He didn't. Congress never sent him a payroll tax cut extension.

I think the point these hacks are trying to get across, though, is that most people are gonna see this as the Prez giving them a tax increase and they're gonna do all they can to reinforce this, facts be damned.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Now that payroll taxes have increased and everyone can pretty much look at their own paystubs to see how much, will they still say he didn't increase payroll taxes?

He didn't. Congress never sent him a payroll tax cut extension.

I think the point these hacks are trying to get across, though, is that most people are gonna see this as the Prez giving them a tax increase and they're gonna do all they can to reinforce this, facts be damned.

So, if the payroll tax had never been temporarily lowered, they would have paid higher taxes for the last 2 years,

but they couldn't claim he raised the payroll tax.

Another thrilling episode of rightwing irrationality.

 

[EriktheRed]

He didn't. Congress never sent him a payroll tax cut extension.

I think the point these hacks are trying to get across, though, is that most people are gonna see this as the Prez giving them a tax increase and they're gonna do all they can to reinforce this, facts be damned.

So, if the payroll tax had never been temporarily lowered, they would have paid higher taxes for the last 2 years,

but they couldn't claim he raised the payroll tax.

Another thrilling episode of rightwing irrationality.

They would have found something else...they always do.

 

[healthmyths]

NO it is using the SAME rationale that you blamed Bush!
YOU said Bush LIED people died!
YOU said there was NO legal justification for LIBERATION of IRAQ.

And so the masses believed the MSM biased reporting JUST AS THEY DID IN VIETNAM!
In both instances the military was winning and in both instances Democrats (Jane Fonda for example aided and abetted the Viet Cong)
In Vietnam Democrats LIKE KERRY telling Congress our troops were murderers,rapists worse the Ghengis Khan!
Then
JANE FONDA / NANCY REAGAN
This cannot go around too much. Those of us that were living in those years will never forget that she was a traitor and did a lot of damage to our boys.

...And how good she feels in her 70s... she still does not know what she did wrong... her book just may not make the best list if more people knew... also...

Barbara Walters said:
Thank you all. Many died in Vietnam for our freedoms. I did not like Jane Fonda then and I don't like her now. She can lead her present life the way she wants and perhaps SHE can forget the past, but we DO NOT have to stand by without comment and see her "honored" as a "Woman of the Century."

(I remember this well)

For those who served and/or died. . .

NEVER FORGIVE A TRAITOR. SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR! and now President OBAMA wants to honor her.......!

In Memory of LT. C. Thomsen Wieland who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilton [Famous North Vietnam Prison]


This is for all the kids born in the 70s and after who do not remember, and didn't have to bear the burden that our fathers, mothers and older brothers and sisters had to bear.

Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the '100 Women of the Century.'

BARBARA WALTERS WRITES:
Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, but
specific men who served and sacrificed during the Vietnam War.

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot.
The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.
In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison the ' Hanoi Hilton.'

Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American 'Peace Activist' the 'lenient and humane treatment' he'd received.

He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward on to the camp Commandant's feet, which sent that officer berserk.

In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied application of a wooden baton.

From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4Es). He spent 6 years in the ' Hanoi Hilton'...the first three of which his family only knew he was 'missing in action'. His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and clothed routine in preparation for a 'peace delegation' visit.

They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they were alive and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security Number on it, in the palm of his hand.

When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: 'Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?' and 'Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?' Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.

She took them all without missing a beat... At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of paper...

Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know
of her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.

I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a cage in Cambodia; and one year in a 'black box' in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors
deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Banme Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle
near the Cambodian border. At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.)

We were Jane Fonda's 'war criminals....'

When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her. I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received... and how different it was from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as 'humane and lenient.'

Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched with a large steel weight placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane.

I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda soon after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She never did answer me.

These first-hand experiences do not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of '100 Years of Great Women.' Lest we forget....' 100 Years of Great Women' should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots.

There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them. Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can.. It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know
that we will never forget.

RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt,
USAF 716 Maintenance Squadron,
Chief of Maintenance DSN: 875-6431 COMM: 883-6343


And in Iraq... YOUR Democrat leaders BEGGING that Iraq be liberated!
32 democrat quotes indicate even before GWB that Saddam was a threat!
"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger Clinton Ntl. Secur. Advr 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999
"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001
"Saddam has ignored the mandate of the UN and is building WMDs and the means to deliver.." Levin 2002
"Iraq's search for WMDs ...will continue as long as Saddam's in power"..Gore 2002
"Saddam retains stockpiles of WMDS.."Byrd 2002
"..give President authority to use force..to disarm Saddam because an arsenal of WMDs..threat our security"..Kerry 2002
"..Unmistakable evidence Saddam developing nuclear weapons next 5 years.."Rockefeller 2002
"Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs.."Waxman 2002
"He's given aid,comfort & sanctuary to al Qaeda members..and keep developing WMDs"..Hillary 2002
"Compelling evidence Saddam has WMDs production storage capacity.." Graham 2002
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."Kerry , Jan. 23. 2003.


SO Obama supporters... the perceptions you foisted on Americans was Vietnam was lost. Iraq war was lost.. Harry Reid told us!
YOU told us Bush LIED there were no WMDs in Iraq... YET here is what Scott Pelley of CBS news says:
Scott Pelley :
"It turns out Saddam Hussein did possess a weapon of mass destruction and he used it in a slaughter that few have heard of until now: after the Gulf War in 1991, the dictator spent untold millions on this weapon, designed to exterminate an ancient civilization called the "Ma'dan," also known as the "Marsh Arabs."
In a five-year project 90 percent of the marshes were drained - an area of more than 3,000 square miles.
"... the marsh dwellers were important elements in the uprising against Saddam Hussein’s regime. To end the rebellion, the regime implemented an intensive system of drainage and water diversion structures that desiccated over 90% of the marshes. The reed beds were also burned and poison introduced to the waters.
It is estimated that more than 500,000 were displaced, 95,000 of them to Iran, 300,000 internally displaced, and the remainder to other countries. By January 2003, the majority of the marshes were wastelands.
"As an engineer, I'm telling you, drying of the marshes is definitely not an easy task. It's a monumental engineering project," Alwash explained. "He put every piece of equipment available in Iraq under his control at the services of the projects needed to dry the marshes."
"Saddam was using water as a weapon?" Pelley asked.
"You know, the world was looking for weapons of mass destruction. And the evidence was right under its nose," Alwash.

Resurrecting Eden - 60 Minutes - CBS News
He said there were WMDs in Iraq!
Perceptions folks!!!
NOW 77% of Americans with less money in their paychecks have the PeRCEPTION Obama broke his pledge..
"I can make a firm pledge: Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.”

As more americans see less in their paychecks YOU'd BETTER believe people like me are going to be repeating Obama's PLEDGE...!!!!

 

[AceRothstein]

What a stupid fucking thread, Obama hasn't increased anyone's payroll tax. You must not have an honest bone in your body to think otherwise.

 

[EriktheRed]

What a stupid fucking thread, Obama hasn't increased anyone's payroll tax. You must not have an honest bone in your body to think otherwise.

He's already admitted he's gonna play up the perception, regardless of the actual facts.

 

[healthmyths]

What a stupid fucking thread, Obama hasn't increased anyone's payroll tax. You must not have an honest bone in your body to think otherwise.

He's already admitted he's gonna play up the perception, regardless of the actual facts.

OH ABSOLUTELY I"M PLAYING UP the Perceptions!!!
Hey you guys had NO problem with "Bush LIED people DIED"!

Well Obama LIED AND TAXES ARE GOING UP!
He said NO increase in anyone under $250,000 payroll taxes. HE PLEDGED! As the Messiah you had to believe him ... or else ALL your belief structures begin to topple!

AND this is JUST the beginning!
Carter years Misery Index...
Inflation 1980 13.5%
Prime Interest 1980 21.50%
Unemployment 1980 7.1%

NOW democrat supporters are asking.
“Really, how am I ever supposed to pay off my student loans if my already small paycheck keeps getting smaller?
Help a sister out, Obama,” wrote “Meet Virginia.”
“Nancy Thongkham” was much more furious. “F***ing Obama! F*** you! This taking out more taxes s*** better f***ing help me out!! Very upset to see my paycheck less today!”

CURL: Obama supporters shocked, angry at new tax increases - Washington Times

 

[NYcarbineer]

If you people want to prove Obama raised the payroll tax:

1. post the bill he signed that raised it.

2. post the payroll tax rates from January 2009 and post the current rates so we can see how much higher they are.

 

[Coyote]

NO it is using the SAME rationale that you blamed Bush!
YOU said Bush LIED people died!
YOU said there was NO legal justification for LIBERATION of IRAQ.

And so the masses believed the MSM biased reporting JUST AS THEY DID IN VIETNAM!
In both instances the military was winning and in both instances Democrats (Jane Fonda for example aided and abetted the Viet Cong)
In Vietnam Democrats LIKE KERRY telling Congress our troops were murderers,rapists worse the Ghengis Khan!
Then
JANE FONDA / NANCY REAGAN
This cannot go around too much. Those of us that were living in those years will never forget that she was a traitor and did a lot of damage to our boys.

...And how good she feels in her 70s... she still does not know what she did wrong... her book just may not make the best list if more people knew... also...

Barbara Walters said:
Thank you all. Many died in Vietnam for our freedoms. I did not like Jane Fonda then and I don't like her now. She can lead her present life the way she wants and perhaps SHE can forget the past, but we DO NOT have to stand by without comment and see her "honored" as a "Woman of the Century."

(I remember this well)

For those who served and/or died. . .

NEVER FORGIVE A TRAITOR. SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR! and now President OBAMA wants to honor her.......!

In Memory of LT. C. Thomsen Wieland who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilton [Famous North Vietnam Prison]


This is for all the kids born in the 70s and after who do not remember, and didn't have to bear the burden that our fathers, mothers and older brothers and sisters had to bear.

Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the '100 Women of the Century.'

BARBARA WALTERS WRITES:
Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, but
specific men who served and sacrificed during the Vietnam War.

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot.
The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.
In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison the ' Hanoi Hilton.'

Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American 'Peace Activist' the 'lenient and humane treatment' he'd received.

He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward on to the camp Commandant's feet, which sent that officer berserk.

In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied application of a wooden baton.

From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4Es). He spent 6 years in the ' Hanoi Hilton'...the first three of which his family only knew he was 'missing in action'. His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and clothed routine in preparation for a 'peace delegation' visit.

They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they were alive and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security Number on it, in the palm of his hand.

When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: 'Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?' and 'Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?' Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.

She took them all without missing a beat... At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of paper...

Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know
of her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.

I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a cage in Cambodia; and one year in a 'black box' in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors
deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Banme Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle
near the Cambodian border. At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.)

We were Jane Fonda's 'war criminals....'

When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her. I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received... and how different it was from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as 'humane and lenient.'

Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched with a large steel weight placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane.

I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda soon after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She never did answer me.

These first-hand experiences do not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of '100 Years of Great Women.' Lest we forget....' 100 Years of Great Women' should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots.

There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them. Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can.. It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know
that we will never forget.

RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt,
USAF 716 Maintenance Squadron,
Chief of Maintenance DSN: 875-6431 COMM: 883-6343


And in Iraq... YOUR Democrat leaders BEGGING that Iraq be liberated!
32 democrat quotes indicate even before GWB that Saddam was a threat!
"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger Clinton Ntl. Secur. Advr 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999
"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001
"Saddam has ignored the mandate of the UN and is building WMDs and the means to deliver.." Levin 2002
"Iraq's search for WMDs ...will continue as long as Saddam's in power"..Gore 2002
"Saddam retains stockpiles of WMDS.."Byrd 2002
"..give President authority to use force..to disarm Saddam because an arsenal of WMDs..threat our security"..Kerry 2002
"..Unmistakable evidence Saddam developing nuclear weapons next 5 years.."Rockefeller 2002
"Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs.."Waxman 2002
"He's given aid,comfort & sanctuary to al Qaeda members..and keep developing WMDs"..Hillary 2002
"Compelling evidence Saddam has WMDs production storage capacity.." Graham 2002
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."Kerry , Jan. 23. 2003.


SO Obama supporters... the perceptions you foisted on Americans was Vietnam was lost. Iraq war was lost.. Harry Reid told us!
YOU told us Bush LIED there were no WMDs in Iraq... YET here is what Scott Pelley of CBS news says:
Scott Pelley :
"It turns out Saddam Hussein did possess a weapon of mass destruction and he used it in a slaughter that few have heard of until now: after the Gulf War in 1991, the dictator spent untold millions on this weapon, designed to exterminate an ancient civilization called the "Ma'dan," also known as the "Marsh Arabs."
In a five-year project 90 percent of the marshes were drained - an area of more than 3,000 square miles.
"... the marsh dwellers were important elements in the uprising against Saddam Hussein’s regime. To end the rebellion, the regime implemented an intensive system of drainage and water diversion structures that desiccated over 90% of the marshes. The reed beds were also burned and poison introduced to the waters.
It is estimated that more than 500,000 were displaced, 95,000 of them to Iran, 300,000 internally displaced, and the remainder to other countries. By January 2003, the majority of the marshes were wastelands.
"As an engineer, I'm telling you, drying of the marshes is definitely not an easy task. It's a monumental engineering project," Alwash explained. "He put every piece of equipment available in Iraq under his control at the services of the projects needed to dry the marshes."
"Saddam was using water as a weapon?" Pelley asked.
"You know, the world was looking for weapons of mass destruction. And the evidence was right under its nose," Alwash.

Resurrecting Eden - 60 Minutes - CBS News
He said there were WMDs in Iraq!
Perceptions folks!!!
NOW 77% of Americans with less money in their paychecks have the PeRCEPTION Obama broke his pledge..
"I can make a firm pledge: Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.”

As more americans see less in their paychecks YOU'd BETTER believe people like me are going to be repeating Obama's PLEDGE...!!!!

I don't suppose you can summarize all this blather in a short, succinct paragraph?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

This is the part where they say "your taxes didn't get raised, they just went back to where they were."

Yes, people have actually made that argument.

 

[AceRothstein]

This is the part where they say "your taxes didn't get raised, they just went back to where they were."

Yes, people have actually made that argument.

Since it was called a payroll tax holiday from the beginning, that is exactly what it was. There was never any discussion of extending this.

 

[Coyote]

This is the part where they say "your taxes didn't get raised, they just went back to where they were."

Yes, people have actually made that argument.

Since it was called a payroll tax holiday from the beginning, that is exactly what it was. There was never any discussion of extending this.

Kind of like making the argument that when you're vacation is over your boss increased your hours....

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

This is the part where they say "your taxes didn't get raised, they just went back to where they were."

Yes, people have actually made that argument.

Since it was called a payroll tax holiday from the beginning, that is exactly what it was. There was never any discussion of extending this.

I totally get it.. but your taxes went up. PERIOD.

Frankly, I thought it was a dumb idea from the get-go.. just like the Bush tax checks that were sent out.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

This is the part where they say "your taxes didn't get raised, they just went back to where they were."

Yes, people have actually made that argument.

Since it was called a payroll tax holiday from the beginning, that is exactly what it was. There was never any discussion of extending this.

Kind of like making the argument that when you're vacation is over your boss increased your hours....

No, it's not at all like that.

 

[saveliberty]

This is the part where they say "your taxes didn't get raised, they just went back to where they were."

Yes, people have actually made that argument.

Since it was called a payroll tax holiday from the beginning, that is exactly what it was. There was never any discussion of extending this.

Never expecting how bad Obama could slow the economy.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

healthmyths

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...-lie-i-will-not-raise-your-payroll-taxes.html

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Vel

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/271474-another-obama-claim-debunked.html

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do these people listen to the same radio/television or what?

 

[saveliberty]

What a stupid fucking thread, Obama hasn't increased anyone's payroll tax. You must not have an honest bone in your body to think otherwise.

Actually payroll taxes WERE raised by .9% on those making more than $450,000 joint or $400,000 single. Formerly that was considered upper middle class. Now they are reclassified as rich by this law. You are woefully under informed.