Obama comes back from vacation to blame Republicans--again--LOL

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    Obama to GOP: Why are you blocking small business aid bill? - CSMonitor.com


    Hmm--I know it's really not November yet--so that would mean that DEMOCRATS still CONTROL all 3 houses of government--meaning that Republicans couldn't BLOCK any bill-- since they are the minority. They couldn't block the 787 BILLION dollar economic stimulus bill that really wasn't, they couldn't block Obamacare--they couldn't block any bill over the last 19 months or since Obama has been in the Oval office. Does this PRESIDENT really believe that the American populace is that stupid?

    Then we have to ask what this new Jobs stimulus bill aka Stim bill Jr. really is. Now after 19 months this President and congress just realised that small business in this country is really the driving force of economic activity and job growth. (So I take it that it means the road and bridge idea--didn't really work--:lol:).

    Then we have to ask what exactly is it that the government is going to do for small business in this country? Possibly another Fannie/Freddie loans where we the American taxpayer will again be guaranteeing loans for "failing businesse's" in this country. Another wonderful idea--via--our Federal Government--LOL. Myself being a small business employer know--that in order for me to get a bank loan--I have to show that I am actually doing business--I have good sales--and by golly there is profit in doing my business. Normally a business has to have two years of IRS returns showing sales and profits before a bank will even look to give a loan. (So I guess that lending practice is now out the window-it will be lowering lending standards again to give small business an ARTIFICIAL boost--as we have witnessed over the last 19 months--with every other bill that has come out of this administration.

    The thing that is lacking in this economy is DEMAND. When there is demand for goods and services--small business'es will expand and they will hire--and all without one single penny from the taxpayers of this country.
     
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    So then, how to stimulate demand? Cash for clunkers seemed successful as was the homebuyer tax credit. Any other ideas?
     
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    Of course they can block things. One of the key pivots (currently the key pivot) in American government is the Senate filibuster. If the other party is determined to 1) constantly use it, and 2) vote completely lockstep, they can block anything.

    The only reason the stimulus passed is that there were Republican defectors in the Senate: Specter, Snowe, and Collins all crossed lines to vote with the Democrats. Similarly, the only reason the health care bill was possible is that Specter actually switched parties to give the Democrats 60 Senate seats for a few months. As you may or may not know, when the House and Senate pass different bills, they often go to a conference committee to sort out the details, and then the resulting conference bill goes back to each chamber for a vote. That wasn't possible with the health care bill because Scott Brown's election reduced the Democratic majority in the Senate to "only" 59 seats, meaning the House was forced to pass the Senate bill unaltered (except for a few small changes passed through a budget reconciliation bill, which is the only way to pass something with only majority support in the Senate these days).

    So yes, they can block anything they like (they've blocked lots and lots of things so far). They've had a few high-profile failures due to defections on their side but that merely underscores the point.

    Obama may be wrongly believing that they still teach U.S. government classes in high school. Which appears to not be the case.
     
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    Tax cuts for the rich? Oh wait, that doesn't stimulate demand....hmmmmm....
     
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    The Republican Party needs to put country first and that won't happen. Their only policy that has been in effect, and has been affective, is working to make Obama fail. Every idea has been ridiculed and falsely characterized as "Socialism" or worse, and every need all of us seem to be concerned with can be fixed by the one magic bullet held by the conserviatives: Tax Cuts.

    While America 'burns', the Republicans 'fiddle'; Becks rally Sunday was the most recent 'tune' ("God is Great"; hey Glen, that's been done. See Iran for how well that worked out).
    Past tunes: Obama is a Muslim! He was born in the Africa! He is a Socialist! He is a Marxist! He hates white people! OMG, he played golf!
    And all of these tunes are played back over and over by the Loony Tune Players on this message board.

    So, what should be done? A huge influx of capital, both from the government and private investors in at least three national projects: Rebuilding the electrical grid; building inter and intra urban railroads and the building of canals for the transport of goods, recreation and flood control; and the building of health care centers in each congressional district across America providing preventative medicine and health care education.
    Image the possibilities, jobs for decades, less dependence on foreign oil, and a healthier happier citizenry. The opposite of hate and fear, the only other policy the Republican Party seems to have.
     
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    Amen!
     
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    To give an idea of the good faith efforts to compromise made by the minority party, I offer my favorite illustrative example: a key moment from the Senate HELP Committee markup of their health care bill last year.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz5AmhI9g7o]"Unique position"[/ame]
     
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    Cash for clunkers was successful in restricting the availability of used cars, resulting in an increase in the cost of used cars. What it succeeded at was allowing rich people to buy cars at the expense of poor people who would normally be able to buy their castoffs.

    "With Used-Car Prices Up 10 Percent Over 2009, Buyers Need Shopping Discipline" Edmunds Daily

    As for the home buyer tax credit. that waas successful in sustaining a housing bubble beyond the point where it would have died, and kept housing prices at an artificial high. We are now looking at a return to free market, and lower prices across the board as a result.

    Maybe falling home sales aren’t a bad thing for the economy | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment

    Anything else you want to point to as a successful example of government intervention in the economy?
     
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    Not if they do not have enough votes to prevent the majority party from overriding the filibuster, which they do not. Shame on you for spouting the tired partisan lie that the Republicans control the Senate.
     

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