Obama Cockblocks the Pipeline... Canadia says... CHINA!...

[uscitizen]

Unemployment creates jobs ...

Yep.
The job search industry, education industry,workers administering govt benefits?

 

[Jarhead]

It is a dyont industry.

It is dirty and inefficient.

Pretend away.

The smart countries will move away from it

how is your home heated and powered for electricity?

 

[Newby]

why do you do this?


The pipeline would have been a disaster for the nation ecological wise.

You see the shit they send throught this pipe is eull of grit that woudl canstantly be sanding down the inside of the pipe.

It was a disator waiting to happen and would have traveled over huge areas with underground water tables that would have been contaminated by spill after spill.

The people who run these companies have already prove they dont care as much about safety as profit.

Why do you pretend NOTHING matters but short term corporate profit?

Short term coporate profit?
There you go again...all about money....you greedy selfish jealous phony.

I simply want to stop sending money to countries that hate us.

Short term corporate profit?

TM....there is more to life than money....and who is and who is not making it;

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


Then ungrip the cock of the oil industry long enough to join the people who dont want profit to be the main human endevor.

So solar won't be about profit? All the solar equipment will be free? Cool...

And I still haven't figured out why profit is a bad thing... silly me...

 

[naturegirl]

Three (3) count them THREE Solar Companies that got ginormous loans from 0bama and his guys, have filed bankruptcy in the last 6 months..............Solyndra, SunPower, and Solar Millennium............yea Solar is definitely the way to go.

I also have another question about solar, you know those panels only last so long, what do you do with the trash after it's no longer usable?? Oy vey, I don't think there's enough landfill space for all that, have you seen some of those things?? They're HUGE!!

 

[Truthmatters]

The future is alternative energy sources.



Do you want the US on top of the emerging market or clinging to the dying industry?

 

[naturegirl]

The future is alternative energy sources.



Do you want the US on top of the emerging market or clinging to the dying industry?

TM, you're no longer useful to the country, I think we should just make them dispose of you.

 

[Stephanie]

It is a dyont industry.

It is dirty and inefficient.

Pretend away.

The smart countries will move away from it

so in your utopia, you see a bunch of windmills and mirrors from solar panels crisscrossing the country lands?
but oil pipelines, not so much

 

[naturegirl]

It is a dyont industry.

It is dirty and inefficient.

Pretend away.

The smart countries will move away from it

so in your utopia, you see a bunch of windmills and mirrors from solar panels crisscrossing the country lands?

Well then there is the 9000 acres in Nevada that China wants to buy to develop a solar plant. Is it OK to sell US land to China?? I'll bet TM sees nothing wrong with it since it's the way of the future.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

why scamble after the dregs of a dying industry when we can pave the path to the future with new safer industries that provide better alternatives?

Becsuse then bohner wont make as much money?

Because fossil fuels are necessary and aren't going anywhere in the near term... they are the cheapest form of energy as much as you'd like to see banks of batteries and windmills all over the fucking place; except in your backyard of course.

Can you say "Solyndra"? How'd that go? Alternative energy for now is a scam...

 

[Inthemiddle]

wtf? and you know this how? CRYSTAL BALL

This has been discussed before, there have been analyses on this. I'll see if I can find the links again. But basically it's like this:

There is already an excess of pipeline capacity flowing from Canada to the US. A new pipeline will NOT increase the amount of oil coming into the US market. The construction and maintenance costs of those lines is part of the per gallon fees charged to the oil companies who ship their product on the lines. Since demand for oil remains lower than it was a few years ago, and those who operate the pipeline still need to recoup their loses, the price of shipping oil on the pipelines is higher than necessary, which would only increase if pipeline capacity were increased. This would, in turn, lead to higher pump prices, which would harm American businesses, and likely trigger layoffs as those businesses try to cope with higher operating costs in a market that will not yet support increasing the prices of goods.

so what the Great one Obama did was for the greater good of the country?

Probably.

my gawd, should we all bow now or later?

What the fuck is your problem? If Obama does something bad for the country, you're going to piss and moan. If someone points out that something he's done is probably in our better interest than the alternative, you bitch about credit being given where it's due. I'm willing to wager that you supported Bush invading Iraq and would have said that what he did "was for the greater good of the country." Did you say anything then about bowing down him? Did anyone say something so stupid to you? Did you even bother to entertain their stupidity?

If you're too much of a partisan hack to be capable of having an honest discussion, or of being capable of supporting a project or not based on its merits instead of your irrational hatred for the President, then get off the computer and go wash your hands. This is a messageboard, it's not pornography for mental masturbation.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

It is a dyont industry.

It is dirty and inefficient.

Pretend away.

The smart countries will move away from it

so in your utopia, you see a bunch of windmills and mirrors from solar panels crisscrossing the country lands?
but oil pipelines, not so much

I guarantee she doesn't want to see them when she looks out her windows... assuming her cave has windows.

 

[Bern80]

why scamble after the dregs of a dying industry when we can pave the path to the future with new safer industries that provide better alternatives?

Becsuse then bohner wont make as much money?

Because it isn't a dieing industry. This is case where you really need to see the truth. The reality of oil is this; it is the most efficient and inexpensive source of energy currently available to the most people and we are finding more and more of it all the time. That hardly constitutes a dieing indsutry. There is no currently better alternative. If there was the free market would have brought it to market already. What you mean by better is really only one variable; cleaner. That's it. Unfortunately there are far more variables that go into what constitutes a 'good' energy source (i.e. whether it's profitable for anyone to produce, whether it's affordable, it's utility (how much energy you get out of it). The reality is your environmentally friendly option fail on most of those fronts.

 

[Bern80]

It is a dyont industry.

It is dirty and inefficient.

Pretend away.

The smart countries will move away from it

so in your utopia, you see a bunch of windmills and mirrors from solar panels crisscrossing the country lands?
but oil pipelines, not so much

I guarantee she doesn't want to see them when she looks out her windows... assuming her cave has windows.

Underground pipelines at that in the case of the keystone.

 

[Stephanie]

wtf? and you know this how? CRYSTAL BALL

This has been discussed before, there have been analyses on this. I'll see if I can find the links again. But basically it's like this:

There is already an excess of pipeline capacity flowing from Canada to the US. A new pipeline will NOT increase the amount of oil coming into the US market. The construction and maintenance costs of those lines is part of the per gallon fees charged to the oil companies who ship their product on the lines. Since demand for oil remains lower than it was a few years ago, and those who operate the pipeline still need to recoup their loses, the price of shipping oil on the pipelines is higher than necessary, which would only increase if pipeline capacity were increased. This would, in turn, lead to higher pump prices, which would harm American businesses, and likely trigger layoffs as those businesses try to cope with higher operating costs in a market that will not yet support increasing the prices of goods.

so what the Great one Obama did was for the greater good of the country?

Probably.

my gawd, should we all bow now or later?

What the fuck is your problem? If Obama does something bad for the country, you're going to piss and moan. If someone points out that something he's done is probably in our better interest than the alternative, you bitch about credit being given where it's due. I'm willing to wager that you supported Bush invading Iraq and would have said that what he did "was for the greater good of the country." Did you say anything then about bowing down him? Did anyone say something so stupid to you? Did you even bother to entertain their stupidity?

If you're too much of a partisan hack to be capable of having an honest discussion, or of being capable of supporting a project or not based on its merits instead of your irrational hatred for the President, then get off the computer and go wash your hands. This is a messageboard, it's not pornography for mental masturbation.

I have Never said, for the greater good of our country...I always think in terms, for the Greater good of the people who live here..If you think what the Obama did was for the "greater good of our country" then have it..
as for the rest of your babble..long winded is about all I see.

 

[uscitizen]

I love looking out my window and seeing the glow from the latest pipeline rupture.

 

[mal]

HEY! Whatever happened to Palin's natural gas pipeline from Alaska to the lower 48?

God told her to build it but she quit?

That's a MEAN case of the PDS right there...



peace...

 

[sfcalifornia]

why scamble after the dregs of a dying industry when we can pave the path to the future with new safer industries that provide better alternatives?

Becsuse then bohner wont make as much money?

well ok. lets cut off our nose to spite our face while we wait for the future of new safer industries that provide better alternatives..

and WTF does Boehner have to do with this.....this is for the American PEOPLE..
and this is all on the Obama..HIS DECISION, he said so
remember that come elections folks

No, this is short-term for about 20,000 people and more about Boehner scratching the backs of big oil. I will definitely remember this come election time as I vote for Obama.

 

[Stephanie]

why scamble after the dregs of a dying industry when we can pave the path to the future with new safer industries that provide better alternatives?

Becsuse then bohner wont make as much money?

well ok. lets cut off our nose to spite our face while we wait for the future of new safer industries that provide better alternatives..

and WTF does Boehner have to do with this.....this is for the American PEOPLE..
and this is all on the Obama..HIS DECISION, he said so
remember that come elections folks

No, this is short-term for about 20,000 people and more about Boehner scratching the backs of big oil. I will definitely remember this come election time as I vote for Obama.

you do that.
and don't ya love that spooky name they give to our number source of energy?
BIG OIL. oooooooooooooooooo

 

[Bern80]

I love looking out my window and seeing the glow from the latest pipeline rupture.

Because it is completely logical to not do something all together if there's even the smallest chance something bad may happen. Are you looking out your window because you're an agorophopic? Or is that you wold prefer to see windmills not turning instead or bird guts all over the blades?

 

[sfcalifornia]

why scamble after the dregs of a dying industry when we can pave the path to the future with new safer industries that provide better alternatives?

Becsuse then bohner wont make as much money?

Because it isn't a dieing industry. This is case where you really need to see the truth. The reality of oil is this; it is the most efficient and inexpensive source of energy currently available to the most people and we are finding more and more of it all the time. That hardly constitutes a dieing indsutry. There is no currently better alternative. If there was the free market would have brought it to market already. What you mean by better is really only one variable; cleaner. That's it. Unfortunately there are far more variables that go into what constitutes a 'good' energy source (i.e. whether it's profitable for anyone to produce, whether it's affordable, it's utility (how much energy you get out of it). The reality is your environmentally friendly option fail on most of those fronts.

Alternatives are in developmental stages. As long as we keep putting "band-aid", short-term solutions on the table, we Americans become too complacent and the real root of the problem won't get fixed. We should have taken the opportunity after the energy crisis of the 70s to develop alternative fuels and get off oil completely but we didn't. Yes, oil is a dying industry. We don't need to keep pumping money into it. We need to divert our resources towards a long term, cleaner solution.