Obama Care will target cigarette smokers.....

[American76Pride]

You don't understand economics much, do you?

I understand that healthier people means less people in the hospital, less people in the hospital means less money needed to spend on hospitals and other associated costs.

A big part of ObamaCare is free preventative care. The longer someone lives the more of such care they will consume. Also, considering that the majority of an individual's lifetime health care costs occur during end of life care, the Panel will inevitably deny such care in favor the most minimal palliative care possible (even when the person is not terminal).

Oh I see now. I'm guessing I agree with taking care of smokers and unhealthy people and not ObamaCare then. Very well, I was wrong, but still support the idea of helping people in unhealthy habits kick them off.

 

[LoudMcCloud]

This is just the beginning of Death Panels. Listen to bill gates talk about death panels.

 

[Noomi]

The continued BIG LIE that smokers' HC cost MORE than non smokers is the rationalization given for why smokers are being taxed so heavily.

Smokers die faster and younger and cost the commonweal less both in HC costs, and in SS costs than nonsmokers do.

But they still have very expensive care at the end. You don't just die suddenly from smoking. It leads to many kinds of cancers, lung disorders, and coronary disease that can linger for many years or decades.

True, and if the taxpayer has to pay for it, it can run into the hundreds of thousands.

 

[Noomi]

In order to get people off of unhealthy habits they'll need more support in order to kick it off. This'll increase their live spans, and inevitably cause them to live healthier lives, which in turn helps the nation by cutting off unhealthy habits which combined with promotion of healthy lifestyles would result in a healthy and physically competent population with less health problems.

Also, those who cry "Taxes will get higher", they will at first, but then gradually as our nation's population becomes more healthy we won't have to spend so much money on medical infrastructure and supplies for said infrastructure, and we'd be able to cut back taxes on hospitals and emergency services since they won't be used as often because the population would be healthier and less suspect to diseases and ailments which require hospital stays, which means less taxes will be spent on said hospitals.

Which means eventually taxes will be lowered to the same rates as before because hospitals will not be used as much, which means we won't need to spend so much money on medical supplies and building new facilities.

The problem is that there are many smokers out there who simply refuse to quit, and they are the very people who would expect to get 'free' medical treatment when they became ill. How do you suggest getting them to kick the habit?

I suggest tough love - raise their taxes through the roof so they have a choice of either starving to death, or stopping smoking.

 

[dblack]

The problem is that there are many smokers out there who simply refuse to quit, and they are the very people who would expect to get 'free' medical treatment when they became ill. How do you suggest getting them to kick the habit?

I suggest tough love - raise their taxes through the roof so they have a choice of either starving to death, or stopping smoking.

Fuck man. Have the courage of your convictions. Just kill them.

 

[Noomi]

The problem is that there are many smokers out there who simply refuse to quit, and they are the very people who would expect to get 'free' medical treatment when they became ill. How do you suggest getting them to kick the habit?

I suggest tough love - raise their taxes through the roof so they have a choice of either starving to death, or stopping smoking.

Fuck man. Have the courage of your convictions. Just kill them.

Let them kill themselves.

 

[dblack]

The problem is that there are many smokers out there who simply refuse to quit, and they are the very people who would expect to get 'free' medical treatment when they became ill. How do you suggest getting them to kick the habit?

I suggest tough love - raise their taxes through the roof so they have a choice of either starving to death, or stopping smoking.

Fuck man. Have the courage of your convictions. Just kill them.

Let them kill themselves.

Hell yes! Social Darwinism for the new world order.

 

[American76Pride]

In order to get people off of unhealthy habits they'll need more support in order to kick it off. This'll increase their live spans, and inevitably cause them to live healthier lives, which in turn helps the nation by cutting off unhealthy habits which combined with promotion of healthy lifestyles would result in a healthy and physically competent population with less health problems.

Also, those who cry "Taxes will get higher", they will at first, but then gradually as our nation's population becomes more healthy we won't have to spend so much money on medical infrastructure and supplies for said infrastructure, and we'd be able to cut back taxes on hospitals and emergency services since they won't be used as often because the population would be healthier and less suspect to diseases and ailments which require hospital stays, which means less taxes will be spent on said hospitals.

Which means eventually taxes will be lowered to the same rates as before because hospitals will not be used as much, which means we won't need to spend so much money on medical supplies and building new facilities.

The problem is that there are many smokers out there who simply refuse to quit, and they are the very people who would expect to get 'free' medical treatment when they became ill. How do you suggest getting them to kick the habit?

I suggest tough love - raise their taxes through the roof so they have a choice of either starving to death, or stopping smoking.

Yeah, you're right. The generation already smoking probably won't budge since they've been doing it for so long, and they probably want the free healthcare, but we can work on the young, so we can eventually kill off smoking by a significant percentage in about twenty-fifty years.

I like your idea of tough love. If you're going to kill yourself, do it faster.

 

[Noomi]

In order to get people off of unhealthy habits they'll need more support in order to kick it off. This'll increase their live spans, and inevitably cause them to live healthier lives, which in turn helps the nation by cutting off unhealthy habits which combined with promotion of healthy lifestyles would result in a healthy and physically competent population with less health problems.

Also, those who cry "Taxes will get higher", they will at first, but then gradually as our nation's population becomes more healthy we won't have to spend so much money on medical infrastructure and supplies for said infrastructure, and we'd be able to cut back taxes on hospitals and emergency services since they won't be used as often because the population would be healthier and less suspect to diseases and ailments which require hospital stays, which means less taxes will be spent on said hospitals.

Which means eventually taxes will be lowered to the same rates as before because hospitals will not be used as much, which means we won't need to spend so much money on medical supplies and building new facilities.

The problem is that there are many smokers out there who simply refuse to quit, and they are the very people who would expect to get 'free' medical treatment when they became ill. How do you suggest getting them to kick the habit?

I suggest tough love - raise their taxes through the roof so they have a choice of either starving to death, or stopping smoking.

Yeah, you're right. The generation already smoking probably won't budge since they've been doing it for so long, and they probably want the free healthcare, but we can work on the young, so we can eventually kill off smoking by a significant percentage in about twenty-fifty years.

I like your idea of tough love. If you're going to kill yourself, do it faster.

The majority of people over here (Australia) don't smoke, so I imagine the same can be said for the US. More and more young people are choosing not to take up this deadly habit, because they have grown up knowing the risks - the people who do smoke are usually the elderly, who were smokers back when the health risks were only starting to be realised.

There can be exceptions made for the elderly folk who smoke, but there is no reason at all why a young person of 20, say, should be smoking.

 

[dblack]

Kill them.

 

[LoudMcCloud]

The thing is. Cigarettes have poison. Our water has fluoride, most of our food is GMOs or full of pesticides. Look up natural flavors, your not gonna like what you hear. Look up cornsyrup or cornstarch, you wont like what you see. Eat all this crap and you wont like how you feel.

 

[Noomi]

The thing is. Cigarettes have poison. Our water has fluoride, most of our food is GMOs or full of pesticides. Look up natural flavors, your not gonna like what you hear. Look up cornsyrup or cornstarch, you wont like what you see. Eat all this crap and you wont like how you feel.

The difference is that smoking can have a direct effect on the people around you. Drinking something full of cornsyrup isn't going to have an effect on the person standing next to you.

 

[LoudMcCloud]

You can't smoke in public in very many areas of the United States. 2nd hand smoke isn't the debate anymore. Its eugenics. Democide is the #1 killer of injury related death. You are being depopulated slowly with unhealthy products. Studies on rats show that after 3 generations of poor poor diet they become retarded.

 

[Papageorgio]

The thing is. Cigarettes have poison. Our water has fluoride, most of our food is GMOs or full of pesticides. Look up natural flavors, your not gonna like what you hear. Look up cornsyrup or cornstarch, you wont like what you see. Eat all this crap and you wont like how you feel.

The difference is that smoking can have a direct effect on the people around you. Drinking something full of cornsyrup isn't going to have an effect on the person standing next to you.

I'll accept the smoking factor, but then we need to get rid of processed foods, soda, sex with more than one partner, having more than one kid in a family, any extreme sports, all pot, all alcohol, reduce all speeds on vehicles to 25-30 mph, make every person work out every day, close all tanning salons, shut down all fast food restaurants, make sure all businesses close by dusk. All these will eliminate risk factors so no one gets stuck pay for others decisions.

 

[LoudMcCloud]

everyone should have to grow mustaches too.

 

[Noomi]

The thing is. Cigarettes have poison. Our water has fluoride, most of our food is GMOs or full of pesticides. Look up natural flavors, your not gonna like what you hear. Look up cornsyrup or cornstarch, you wont like what you see. Eat all this crap and you wont like how you feel.

The difference is that smoking can have a direct effect on the people around you. Drinking something full of cornsyrup isn't going to have an effect on the person standing next to you.

I'll accept the smoking factor, but then we need to get rid of processed foods, soda, sex with more than one partner, having more than one kid in a family, any extreme sports, all pot, all alcohol, reduce all speeds on vehicles to 25-30 mph, make every person work out every day, close all tanning salons, shut down all fast food restaurants, make sure all businesses close by dusk. All these will eliminate risk factors so no one gets stuck pay for others decisions.

 

[LoudMcCloud]

no more two ply toilet paper either.

 

[Papageorgio]

The difference is that smoking can have a direct effect on the people around you. Drinking something full of cornsyrup isn't going to have an effect on the person standing next to you.

I'll accept the smoking factor, but then we need to get rid of processed foods, soda, sex with more than one partner, having more than one kid in a family, any extreme sports, all pot, all alcohol, reduce all speeds on vehicles to 25-30 mph, make every person work out every day, close all tanning salons, shut down all fast food restaurants, make sure all businesses close by dusk. All these will eliminate risk factors so no one gets stuck pay for others decisions.

So you just want to attack the issue, you feel is the most important. Other people have differing opinions, so if we take ones opinion, why would you not take them all? Are they all not beneficial to a healthier lifestyle, a less costly lifestyle.

You claim it's about the money but you aren't willing to look at all the other bad health choices that cost all of us. AIDS and STD's, all preventable, however you choose cigarettes? Just read an article today on consuming processed foods and the affects on our kidneys. Yet, you think that is escalating to quickly. Tanning salons have a connection with cancer, why are you willing to pay they high cost of skin cancer but not health issues of cigarettes?

You claim it is shared risk and cost, yet you seem to not think of other health risks and costs? Why is that?

 

[Katzndogz]

Let's target the ones who have indiscriminate sex. Stop paying for treatment for STDs and abortions. Stop wasting money on AIDS research. If they want to kill themselves let them.

 

[Meister]

In order to get people off of unhealthy habits they'll need more support in order to kick it off. This'll increase their live spans, and inevitably cause them to live healthier lives, which in turn helps the nation by cutting off unhealthy habits which combined with promotion of healthy lifestyles would result in a healthy and physically competent population with less health problems.

Also, those who cry "Taxes will get higher", they will at first, but then gradually as our nation's population becomes more healthy we won't have to spend so much money on medical infrastructure and supplies for said infrastructure, and we'd be able to cut back taxes on hospitals and emergency services since they won't be used as often because the population would be healthier and less suspect to diseases and ailments which require hospital stays, which means less taxes will be spent on said hospitals.

Which means eventually taxes will be lowered to the same rates as before because hospitals will not be used as much, which means we won't need to spend so much money on medical supplies and building new facilities.

The problem is that there are many smokers out there who simply refuse to quit, and they are the very people who would expect to get 'free' medical treatment when they became ill. How do you suggest getting them to kick the habit?

I suggest tough love - raise their taxes through the roof so they have a choice of either starving to death, or stopping smoking.

Let's just encourage the smoking of pot by legalizing it.
It's just a bunch of hypocrisy