Obama care: Disastrous in every way

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    Was that meant to be informative?

    All depends on how you measure success.
     
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    Personally, I'm in favor of every American being taken care of, medically. I don't know if Obama's plan will be the solution, but we shouldn't allow American's to suffer when relief is available. This isn't to say they shouldn't pay for it, or that illegals should get a free ride on tax payers backs, just that people dying or suffering shouldn't be an American virtue.
     
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    It won't fix anything because of our outrageous costs, it will drive us broke just paying for it.
     
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    We pay for health care now, we just do it privately and expensively.

    I don't know why a collective option would be more expensive.
     
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    It won't per person, as a whole though it will be, but that's not even the problem with healthcare, the cost IS the problem. If we actually stopped the over-regulation through mafia-groups like the FDA and AMA the price will drop since there won't be anyone they have to bribe anymore and there will be actual competition.
     
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    The costs would shift. Doesn't mean it would be more expensive, but people would notice it in a place they aren't used to.

    It's like the illegal immigrant problem. If we got rid of all illegals avocados would be $5 each. We're already paying that much but we don't see it because it doesn't show up at the supermarket.

    The solutions to these problems are much more complicated than many (partisan hacks) would like to admit. It will take putting aside partisan differences, which might never never happen, if we're ever to make progress.
     
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    Regulations are adopted for reasons. There are costs to doing away with them as well. See Financial Sector.

    Regardless, health care costs have risen dramatically in the last couple of decades and I can't think of any regulations that would explain this. Profit margins in the pharmaceutical industry are among the highest (so costs obviously aren't the problem). Medical procedures are incentivized. Private overhead costs are 3 to 6 times higher than Medicare overheads. These are the reasons that health care is so expensive.

    I can see where collective action could solve some of these issues.
     
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    The only way to lower medical costs in any significant fashion is to either A Remove the lawyers from the system, B. Remove the bureaucrats from the system, C. Limit access D. Limit technology.

    Obama Care at least initially will do none of the above. It will almost certainly add more bureaucrats. You really can't limit technology with out adding even more lawyers to a system that is already up to it's neck in them. So eventually you will find that option C. is the choice and that usually comes at the expense of old folks. As in france where as you get older you are denied access to more and more life saving care.
     
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    Lycurgus Who is Obama, really...??

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    Amanda, as it stands now each American can get medical even if they do not have insurance. So we do not have people dying in the streets. But, aftercare is affected and so is prescription care.

    Our current system needs fixed. It clearly has problems. However, the Obama and liberal plan is overkill and is not going to be the correct answer.

    With that said, I'm not sure that the GOP proposals are the best answers either.
     

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