Obama Attempting To Go Around The Second Amendment

[beowolfe]

Here is a link to the treaty. Read it yourselves. Don't rely on people with an agenda to tell you what to think.

RECOGNIZING that states have developed different cultural and historical uses for firearms, and that the purpose of enhancing international cooperation to eradicate illicit transnational trafficking in firearms is not intended to discourage or diminish lawful leisure or recreational activities such as travel or tourism for sport shooting, hunting, and other forms of lawful ownership and use recognized by the States Parties;

RECALLING that States Parties have their respective domestic laws and regulations in the areas of firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials, and recognizing that this Convention does not commit States Parties to enact legislation or regulations pertaining to firearms ownership, possession, or trade of a wholly domestic character, and recognizing that States Parties will apply their respective laws and regulations in a manner consistent with this Convention;

Article I
Definitions

For the purposes of this Convention, the following definitions shall apply:

1. "Illicit manufacturing": the manufacture or assembly of firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials:

a. from components or parts illicitly trafficked; or

b. without a license from a competent governmental authority of the State Party where the manufacture or assembly takes place; or

c. without marking the firearms that require marking at the time of manufacturing.

After a cursory check, the above two sections tell me that gun nuts in the US don't have anything to worry about.

 

[Xenophon]

Yet another consequence of one party rule.

And if they get to appoint enough judges, it won't matter what the Constitution or anything else says.

True...but in this case Obama won't even have to deal with our laws and our Constitution.

He's gonna let other countries tell us what to do.

He already does that.

 

[Skeptik]

Here is a link to the treaty. Read it yourselves. Don't rely on people with an agenda to tell you what to think.

RECOGNIZING that states have developed different cultural and historical uses for firearms, and that the purpose of enhancing international cooperation to eradicate illicit transnational trafficking in firearms is not intended to discourage or diminish lawful leisure or recreational activities such as travel or tourism for sport shooting, hunting, and other forms of lawful ownership and use recognized by the States Parties;

RECALLING that States Parties have their respective domestic laws and regulations in the areas of firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials, and recognizing that this Convention does not commit States Parties to enact legislation or regulations pertaining to firearms ownership, possession, or trade of a wholly domestic character, and recognizing that States Parties will apply their respective laws and regulations in a manner consistent with this Convention;

Article I
Definitions

For the purposes of this Convention, the following definitions shall apply:

1. "Illicit manufacturing": the manufacture or assembly of firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials:

a. from components or parts illicitly trafficked; or

b. without a license from a competent governmental authority of the State Party where the manufacture or assembly takes place; or

c. without marking the firearms that require marking at the time of manufacturing.

After a cursory check, the above two sections tell me that gun nuts in the US don't have anything to worry about.

All it takes is a cursory check to realize that the main premise behind this thread is bogus from the start.

They're working on an arms treaty! Ahhhhh! they're coming to take our guns away!!! Next, we'll have a socialist nation, with dictator Obama taking over! Run for the hills, they're coming to get us!

What a lot of nonsense.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Something is brewing in the White House.....and it makes the health care bill negotiations look honest in comparison:

The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened. Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth? What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress. We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public. We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment.

This is not a joke or a false warning. As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control.

Read the Article

U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto.

The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better. View The Full Article Here http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE59E0Q92009...

They said that the Carbon Tax was a myth...and so was the Value Added Tax.....now both of those are close to being a reality. But now this......

Well this is not a complex calculation; if the Left claims it as truth; then it's a certainty that it's false... and vice versa...

Vote accordingly...

November is coming, Kids... it's the biggest moment in your lives... either miss it and leave your nation to languish in slow death; or be there to vote out the Leftist virus which is killing it.

The CHOICE is yours...

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Something is brewing in the White House.....and it makes the health care bill negotiations look honest in comparison:

The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened. Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth? What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress. We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public. We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment.

This is not a joke or a false warning. As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control.

Read the Article

U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto.

The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better. View The Full Article Here http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE59E0Q92009...

They said that the Carbon Tax was a myth...and so was the Value Added Tax.....now both of those are close to being a reality. But now this......

Provisions in Treaty's that violate U.S. law or our Constitution aren't applicable to the United States or her citizenry. If the 2nd Amendment is repealed...which it never will be...that's a different story.

 

[mudwhistle]

Something is brewing in the White House.....and it makes the health care bill negotiations look honest in comparison:

The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened. Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth? What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress. We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public. We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment.

This is not a joke or a false warning. As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control.

Read the Article

U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto.

The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better. View The Full Article Here http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE59E0Q92009...

They said that the Carbon Tax was a myth...and so was the Value Added Tax.....now both of those are close to being a reality. But now this......

I may be mistaken, but I don't believe the president or his administration can just sign a treaty without a vote in Congress affirming it, no?

He just signed one with Russia. It has to be ratified by Congress....but seeing what's been going on lately they my just leap-frog that little rule and impose it anyway and dare anyone to stop them.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Provisions in Treaty's that violate U.S. law or our Constitution aren't applicable to the United States or her citizenry. If the 2nd Amendment is repealed...which it never will be...that's a different story.

 

[mudwhistle]

Provisions in Treaty's that violate U.S. law or our Constitution aren't applicable to the United States or her citizenry. If the 2nd Amendment is repealed...which it never will be...that's a different story.

Provisions in the Constitution also stated that you needed a Super-majority in the Senate to pass legislation.

But they found a way around that too.

 

[Harry Dresden]

the anti-Obama people masking themselves as anti-big-government.

they aren't as anti-big-government as they are anti-Obama.

Don't you ever tire of being a whiny fool?

Don't you ever tire of whining about Obama and the Democrats? Don't you have a significant other you can attend to? Don't you have a diet plan that calls for exercise? get off the computer you fat fuck and get some fresh air.

dev....you do like 20 posts a day....i find it hard to get my 10 in....maybe you should not talk about how long people are on this thing.....

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Provisions in Treaty's that violate U.S. law or our Constitution aren't applicable to the United States or her citizenry. If the 2nd Amendment is repealed...which it never will be...that's a different story.

Provisions in the Constitution also stated that you needed a Super-majority in the Senate to pass legislation.

But they found a way around that too.

I don't think the Senate will be able to muster 67 votes to ratify those treaties either.

 

[mudwhistle]

Provisions in Treaty's that violate U.S. law or our Constitution aren't applicable to the United States or her citizenry. If the 2nd Amendment is repealed...which it never will be...that's a different story.

Provisions in the Constitution also stated that you needed a Super-majority in the Senate to pass legislation.

But they found a way around that too.

I don't think the Senate will be able to muster 67 votes to ratify those treaties either.

They didn't think they could do it with the health care bill ether.

Being a doubting Thomas at this stage is pretty silly.


When will you realize that these people are not about to let anything stop them.

They have an unethical Congress and an unethical President...(criminal in fact)....what's stopping them?

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Provisions in the Constitution also stated that you needed a Super-majority in the Senate to pass legislation.

But they found a way around that too.

I don't think the Senate will be able to muster 67 votes to ratify those treaties either.

They didn't think they could do it with the health care bill ether.

Being a doubting Thomas at this stage is pretty silly.


When will you realize that these people are not about to let anything stop them.

They have an unethical Congress and an unethical President...(criminal in fact)....what's stopping them?

They can't take away my guns...there's no registration requirement where I live. All I have to say is I sold them and forgot who it was.