Obama and Winston Churchill have more in common than you might think

[Binden Shovel]

Churchill is often held up by the Republicans as an example of right wing greatness. After spending 4 years researching Winston for a book I recently published called Churchill's Secret Skills I would like to say that this view couldn't be further from the truth. In the main Churchill's politics were more Obama than Mclean.
For example Winston was the guy who instigated the British National Health Service, during the war he introduced a welfare system for the nation which continued after he was defeated in the election of 1945.
During my research I read thousands of memo's sent by Churchill during the war, the memo's painted a picture of a person who was more of a centre politician, far from his image.

Whilst Obama is a great speaker he is no Churchill he has a lot more in common with Churchill's core values than you might think.

 

[Tom Clancy]

Comparing Churchill to Obama?

Yeah... no.

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
-Winston Churchill

“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.”

I don't think Obama would say something like that..


Also, the whole National Health care is more of a European thing anyway.

 

[Binden Shovel]

Tom

Churchill said and believed the quotes you copied, and I would agree with him. As a result you could draw the conclusion he was very right wing.

When you look at his actions he didn't consider healthcare for all as socialism, more a responsible government taking care of it's people. The Churchill that came through the war would not have sat idly by and let his people suffer for want of basic healthcare

He was anything but socialist, but put in place many benefits for British citizens who had suffered through the war which could be considered socialist type policies.

That is why I believe he has some things in common with Obama

 

[momonkey]

Churchill is often held up by the Republicans as an example of right wing greatness. After spending 4 years researching Winston for a book I recently published called Churchill's Secret Skills I would like to say that this view couldn't be further from the truth. In the main Churchill's politics were more Obama than Mclean.
For example Winston was the guy who instigated the British National Health Service, during the war he introduced a welfare system for the nation which continued after he was defeated in the election of 1945.
During my research I read thousands of memo's sent by Churchill during the war, the memo's painted a picture of a person who was more of a centre politician, far from his image.

Whilst Obama is a great speaker he is no Churchill he has a lot more in common with Churchill's core values than you might think.

Who's McLean?

 

[California Girl]

It wasn't Winston Churchill. It was Clement Attlee who founded the NHS. The NHS was founded in July 1948. Churchill wasn't PM in 1948. Your book must be crap.

 

[The Rabbi]

Churchill drank a lot too.

 

[California Girl]

Churchill drank a lot too.

That's true. There is a famous story about him being drunk and some woman said to him, 'Sir, you are drunk'. Churchill said 'and you, madam, are ugly. But in the morning I will be sober'. Funny guy.

 

[editec]

Comparing Churchill to Obama?

Yeah... no.

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
-Winston Churchill

“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.”

I don't think Obama would say something like that..


Also, the whole National Health care is more of a European thing anyway.

To evaluate a POL one must evaluate what he does, rather than what he says.

Churchill was in part the architect of the welfare state that the UK still has in place.

ACcording to the right wing cranks, what he did was socialism.

Of course when Churchill faults socialism, he's talking about REAL socialism not what the American what right wing knownothings are talking about.

 

[editec]

Churchill was talking about REAL socialism.

Unlike the right wing American cranks, he actually knows what the word socialism means.

 

[California Girl]

Comparing Churchill to Obama?

Yeah... no.

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
-Winston Churchill

“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.”

I don't think Obama would say something like that..


Also, the whole National Health care is more of a European thing anyway.

To evaluate a POL one must evaluate what he does, rather than what he says.

Churchill was in part the architect of the welfare state that the UK still has in place.

ACcording to the right wing cranks, what he did was socialism.

Of course when Churchill faults socialism, he's talking about REAL socialism not what the American what right wing knownothings are talking about.

Yep.... and you should come over and find out first hand how badly it has affected those it was supposed to help. The Brits now have 'intergenerational' welfare.... meaning that the grandparents were welfare recipients and didn't work, and their children did the same, and the generation after that, etc. There are now thousands of families where no one has worked in generations. They are used to being provided for, they are perfectly capable of working and yet they don't. They take from the state and give nothing back.

Whenever new homes are built in the UK, a percentage of them must be 'social housing'.... to house Britain's 'unemployable'... Know what that does? It increases the crime rates wherever they put them.

You think the 'welfare state' is so great - take a look at what intergenerational welfare does to people. Academic research here now says that 'welfare' is actually a very bad thing.

 

[Binden Shovel]

Their probably are a few generational welfare families but they are a tiny minority. I am not an apologist for the Labour Party, but I know that they go to great lengths to ensure people on benefits have to try and find a job. No system or government is perfect. But I am proud of the imperfect system that stops people from starving and provides them with health and shelter when it is needed. I can promise you it is no picnic trying to live on benefits in Britain. I speak from the perspective of someone who pays a great deal of tax.

The point about social housing isn't for people on welfare it is so local people can afford to live in the same area were they grew up and not be pushed out by developers just targeting the better off.

I live in a sleepy litle Cotswold village in a big house but was delighted when a new development had to include social housing as it meant the younger people in the village had a chance to stay.