Obama and Winston Churchill have more in common than you might think

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    Churchill is often held up by the Republicans as an example of right wing greatness. After spending 4 years researching Winston for a book I recently published called Churchill's Secret Skills I would like to say that this view couldn't be further from the truth. In the main Churchill's politics were more Obama than Mclean.
    For example Winston was the guy who instigated the British National Health Service, during the war he introduced a welfare system for the nation which continued after he was defeated in the election of 1945.
    During my research I read thousands of memo's sent by Churchill during the war, the memo's painted a picture of a person who was more of a centre politician, far from his image.

    Whilst Obama is a great speaker he is no Churchill he has a lot more in common with Churchill's core values than you might think.
     
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    Comparing Churchill to Obama?

    Yeah... no.


    I don't think Obama would say something like that..


    Also, the whole National Health care is more of a European thing anyway.
     
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    Churchill said and believed the quotes you copied, and I would agree with him. As a result you could draw the conclusion he was very right wing.

    When you look at his actions he didn't consider healthcare for all as socialism, more a responsible government taking care of it's people. The Churchill that came through the war would not have sat idly by and let his people suffer for want of basic healthcare

    He was anything but socialist, but put in place many benefits for British citizens who had suffered through the war which could be considered socialist type policies.

    That is why I believe he has some things in common with Obama
     
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    Who's McLean?:confused:
     
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    It wasn't Winston Churchill. It was Clement Attlee who founded the NHS. The NHS was founded in July 1948. Churchill wasn't PM in 1948. Your book must be crap.
     
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    Churchill drank a lot too.
     
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    That's true. There is a famous story about him being drunk and some woman said to him, 'Sir, you are drunk'. Churchill said 'and you, madam, are ugly. But in the morning I will be sober'. Funny guy. :lol::lol::lol::lol:
     
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    To evaluate a POL one must evaluate what he does, rather than what he says.

    Churchill was in part the architect of the welfare state that the UK still has in place.

    ACcording to the right wing cranks, what he did was socialism.

    Of course when Churchill faults socialism, he's talking about REAL socialism not what the American what right wing knownothings are talking about.
     
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    Churchill was talking about REAL socialism.

    Unlike the right wing American cranks, he actually knows what the word socialism means.
     
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    Yep.... and you should come over and find out first hand how badly it has affected those it was supposed to help. The Brits now have 'intergenerational' welfare.... meaning that the grandparents were welfare recipients and didn't work, and their children did the same, and the generation after that, etc. There are now thousands of families where no one has worked in generations. They are used to being provided for, they are perfectly capable of working and yet they don't. They take from the state and give nothing back.

    Whenever new homes are built in the UK, a percentage of them must be 'social housing'.... to house Britain's 'unemployable'... Know what that does? It increases the crime rates wherever they put them.

    You think the 'welfare state' is so great - take a look at what intergenerational welfare does to people. Academic research here now says that 'welfare' is actually a very bad thing.
     

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