Obama and Romney

[mskafka]

What's the difference?

One of them is a Kenyan, Socialist, Muslim, Class-warfare pushing, facist, party-before-country, Constitution-hating, war-monger.
The other one will come in second place in 2012.

Yay.

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War-monger? I'm trying to recall a president since Reagan who didn't have their hands in some kind of war. Now, if you're for Ron Paul 2012...

I still have difficulty connecting Obama with Fascism.
There are plenty of articles out there in webland that will back up the fascism accusation. That is, if it's Hitler-type fascism. Just don't see it.

 

[Avatar4321]

Romney understands how to create jobs.
Romney is for states rights.
Romney has experience in both the public and private sector.
Romney has a record of competant leadership.
Romney has a record of eliminate corruption.
Romney claims a pro-life position.
Romney has actually cut spending in both private and public leadership roles
Romney isn't trying to overthrow the nation.
Romney has morals.
Romney can be persuaded to support conservative positions that Obama would actively oppose.
Romney will educate himself in areas he is deficient in.

Im sure I could go on. But the idea that Obama and Romney are the same people merely because of Obamacare is a bunch of bullcrap.

 

[mskafka]

Romney is just another obama with an R.

Hardly.

The contrast couldn't be greater.

Romney supported as Governor the same shit obama supports now. so hell yes obama and romney are political equals.

The required insurance? Why is this such a bad thing for some of you? Because if people are uninsured, who do you think is going to make up the difference when the tens of thousands of dollars of dr. bills come rolling in on the uninsured? I'll tell you who-it will be me, you, and everyone else who is admitted to a hospital, or who visits a clinic. It will come in the form of higher healthcare costs. We will be paying more for our care, because most people don't have 50k available to them to pay their enormous bills.

What is the problem? Please explain.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Hardly.

The contrast couldn't be greater.

Romney supported as Governor the same shit obama supports now. so hell yes obama and romney are political equals.

The required insurance? Why is this such a bad thing for some of you? Because if people are uninsured, who do you think is going to make up the difference when the tens of thousands of dollars of dr. bills come rolling in on the uninsured? I'll tell you who-it will be me, you, and everyone else who is admitted to a hospital, or who visits a clinic. It will come in the form of higher healthcare costs. We will be paying more for our care, because most people don't have 50k available to them to pay their enormous bills.

What is the problem? Please explain.

The required insurance? Why is this such a bad thing for some of you?

Simple solution is if you want another person telling you what to buy move to a country that does that. Would you have a problem with the government requiring every able body person over the age of 18 to buy a certain type of firearm and ammo from a certain manufacture, at a set over priced rate?

Because if people are uninsured, who do you think is going to make up the difference when the tens of thousands of dollars of dr. bills come rolling in on the uninsured?

HOLY SHIT it's not like I haven't heard this shit before, same old same old. There was a time when I didn't have insurance and had a low paying job, my second wife was pregnant and we had went out of state to visit her mother while we were there she had a miscarriage. She had to spend 4 days in the hospital. I set up payments and paid the bill out of my pocket. Why is this concept so fucking hard to understand?

What is the problem? Please explain.

I hope my answer cleared your liberal minded stupor

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Hardly.

The contrast couldn't be greater.

Romney supported as Governor the same shit obama supports now. so hell yes obama and romney are political equals.

Could the contrast be any greater between the guy who looted American companies and shipped their jobs overseas and only pays taxes at a 13% rate, and our president who wants the wealthy to pay taxes at a higher rate.

Romney is the poster child for welfare for the wealthy.

Why should the idle rich, who don't work, pay taxes at a lower rate than those of us who do work?

So no answer to defend with and you go off topic.
OK
How much does the millionaire obama pay?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Romney understands how to create jobs.
Romney is for states rights.
Romney has experience in both the public and private sector.
Romney has a record of competant leadership.
Romney has a record of eliminate corruption.
Romney claims a pro-life position.
Romney has actually cut spending in both private and public leadership roles
Romney isn't trying to overthrow the nation.
Romney has morals.
Romney can be persuaded to support conservative positions that Obama would actively oppose.
Romney will educate himself in areas he is deficient in.

Im sure I could go on. But the idea that Obama and Romney are the same people merely because of Obamacare is a bunch of bullcrap.

Romney claims a pro-life position.

He may now but as governor sign any bills that protected the right to have an abortion?

Im sure I could go on. But the idea that Obama and Romney are the same people merely because of Obamacare is a bunch of bullcrap.

Romney is anti gun right there is a non starter for most.
Romney is a flip flopper which is a non starter for others.

That's three strikes you're out.

 

[Valerie]

Romney understands how to create jobs.
Romney is for states rights.
Romney has experience in both the public and private sector.
Romney has a record of competant leadership.
Romney has a record of eliminate corruption.
Romney claims a pro-life position.
Romney has actually cut spending in both private and public leadership roles
Romney isn't trying to overthrow the nation.
Romney has morals.
Romney can be persuaded to support conservative positions that Obama would actively oppose.
Romney will educate himself in areas he is deficient in.

Im sure I could go on. But the idea that Obama and Romney are the same people merely because of Obamacare is a bunch of bullcrap.

Romney claims a pro-life position.

He may now but as governor sign any bills that protected the right to have an abortion?

Im sure I could go on. But the idea that Obama and Romney are the same people merely because of Obamacare is a bunch of bullcrap.

Romney is anti gun right there is a non starter for most.
Romney is a flip flopper which is a non starter for others.

That's three strikes you're out.

Romney position on Gun Control

The Second Amendment: Individual or Collective Right?

In favor.

"Let me speak very directly and candidly about where I stand. I support the Second Amendment as one of the most basic and fundamental rights of every American. It's essential to our functioning as a free society, as are all the liberties enumerated in the Bill of Rights..."
Sep 21, 2007, in a taped message to the NRA's Celebration of American Values


Legislations

After throwing his support behind several gun control laws at the early stage of his political career, most notably, the Brady Act, Romney has reevaluated his position is now opposed to any further gun control legislations

"I believe we need to focus on enforcing our current laws rather than creating new laws that burden lawful gun owners. I believe in safe and responsible gun ownership and that anyone who exercises the right to keep and bear arms must do so lawfully and properly. I do not believe in a one-size-fits-all federal approach to gun ownership because people keep and use firearms for different reasons. Law-abiding citizens have a right to protect their homes and their families and as President, I will vigorously defend that right."
January 7, 2008, The Washington Post

Romney on Gun Control

2012 Presidential Candidates on Gun Control

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Romney understands how to create jobs.
Romney is for states rights.
Romney has experience in both the public and private sector.
Romney has a record of competant leadership.
Romney has a record of eliminate corruption.
Romney claims a pro-life position.
Romney has actually cut spending in both private and public leadership roles
Romney isn't trying to overthrow the nation.
Romney has morals.
Romney can be persuaded to support conservative positions that Obama would actively oppose.
Romney will educate himself in areas he is deficient in.

Im sure I could go on. But the idea that Obama and Romney are the same people merely because of Obamacare is a bunch of bullcrap.

He may now but as governor sign any bills that protected the right to have an abortion?



Romney is anti gun right there is a non starter for most.
Romney is a flip flopper which is a non starter for others.

That's three strikes you're out.

Romney position on Gun Control

The Second Amendment: Individual or Collective Right?

In favor.

"Let me speak very directly and candidly about where I stand. I support the Second Amendment as one of the most basic and fundamental rights of every American. It's essential to our functioning as a free society, as are all the liberties enumerated in the Bill of Rights..."
Sep 21, 2007, in a taped message to the NRA's Celebration of American Values


Legislations

After throwing his support behind several gun control laws at the early stage of his political career, most notably, the Brady Act, Romney has reevaluated his position is now opposed to any further gun control legislations

"I believe we need to focus on enforcing our current laws rather than creating new laws that burden lawful gun owners. I believe in safe and responsible gun ownership and that anyone who exercises the right to keep and bear arms must do so lawfully and properly. I do not believe in a one-size-fits-all federal approach to gun ownership because people keep and use firearms for different reasons. Law-abiding citizens have a right to protect their homes and their families and as President, I will vigorously defend that right."
January 7, 2008, The Washington Post

Romney on Gun Control

2012 Presidential Candidates on Gun Control

OH my fucking aching head.

After throwing his support behind several gun control laws at the early stage of his political career, most notably, the Brady Act, Romney has reevaluated his position is now opposed to any further gun control legislation

Here you go. So once he was for taking gun ownership rights away but now he isn't holy shit here's a clue he's running for president and trying to get the republican base which is pro gun, to support him of course now he's going to be pro gun.

 

[mskafka]

Simple solution is if you want another person telling you what to buy move to a country that does that. Would you have a problem with the government requiring every able body person over the age of 18 to buy a certain type of firearm and ammo from a certain manufacture, at a set over priced rate?]

I already have insurance that, my understanding, I will be able to keep. Not sure where the firearm and ammo analogy is going. Violent tendencies you have? No, I would rather see angry people like you move to another country, where you can scream your unreasonable demands to someone who care. Frankly, I'm tired of the division. This is MY country too. I work in healthcare, and feel the effects of those who aren't able to pay their bills. It effects my salary, and every other aspect of the job.

HOLY SHIT it's not like I haven't heard this shit before, same old same old. There was a time when I didn't have insurance and had a low paying job, my second wife was pregnant and we had went out of state to visit her mother while we were there she had a miscarriage. She had to spend 4 days in the hospital. I set up payments and paid the bill out of my pocket. Why is this concept so fucking hard to understand?]

It's unfortunate, and I truly feel for your having to go through such a horrible thing. It was a single incident, hopefully with no complications. I have multiple sclerosis. Fortunately, I have VERY GOOD insurance through my job. The diagnosis alone was well over $10k. Along with that, I've had a hospital stay, 5 days of home health with IV steroid infusions. Peptic ulcers due to the tapering oral steroid ingestion, after the infusions. My daily injections cost $3500/month, of which I only pay $80. I'm sure that all the diagnostics, different tests, physical therapy (as I'm having trouble walking), occupational therapy, and everything else.....I would say that we've easily reached $50,000. And this disease is unpredictable. Imagine not being insured with these bills. Or a cancer patient. Or a major trauma, which requires surgery, weeks in the trauma ICU, and months in rehab. What if you weren't insured? Hundreds of thousands of dollars. Think you could go on a payment plan with that?

You can be foul-mouthed about it, and use your experience as an example of what everyone else should do. But as you see, not everyone has the same problem.

I hope my answer cleared your liberal minded stupor

I'm not liberal, or in a stupor. I hope that my response humbled some of your righteous indignation, and absolute ignorance about the costs of healthcare.

I asked a civil question, and you turned into an asshole. Which proves to me that you probably really don't know what you're arguing against.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Simple solution is if you want another person telling you what to buy move to a country that does that. Would you have a problem with the government requiring every able body person over the age of 18 to buy a certain type of firearm and ammo from a certain manufacture, at a set over priced rate?]

I already have insurance that, my understanding, I will be able to keep. Not sure where the firearm and ammo analogy is going. Violent tendencies you have? No, I would rather see angry people like you move to another country, where you can scream your unreasonable demands to someone who care. Frankly, I'm tired of the division. This is MY country too. I work in healthcare, and feel the effects of those who aren't able to pay their bills. It effects my salary, and every other aspect of the job.

HOLY SHIT it's not like I haven't heard this shit before, same old same old. There was a time when I didn't have insurance and had a low paying job, my second wife was pregnant and we had went out of state to visit her mother while we were there she had a miscarriage. She had to spend 4 days in the hospital. I set up payments and paid the bill out of my pocket. Why is this concept so fucking hard to understand?]

It's unfortunate, and I truly feel for your having to go through such a horrible thing. It was a single incident, hopefully with no complications. I have multiple sclerosis. Fortunately, I have VERY GOOD insurance through my job. The diagnosis alone was well over $10k. Along with that, I've had a hospital stay, 5 days of home health with IV steroid infusions. Peptic ulcers due to the tapering oral steroid ingestion, after the infusions. My daily injections cost $3500/month, of which I only pay $80. I'm sure that all the diagnostics, different tests, physical therapy (as I'm having trouble walking), occupational therapy, and everything else.....I would say that we've easily reached $50,000. And this disease is unpredictable. Imagine not being insured with these bills. Or a cancer patient. Or a major trauma, which requires surgery, weeks in the trauma ICU, and months in rehab. What if you weren't insured? Hundreds of thousands of dollars. Think you could go on a payment plan with that?

You can be foul-mouthed about it, and use your experience as an example of what everyone else should do. But as you see, not everyone has the same problem.

I hope my answer cleared your liberal minded stupor

I'm not liberal, or in a stupor. I hope that my response humbled some of your righteous indignation, and absolute ignorance about the costs of healthcare.

I asked a civil question, and you turned into an asshole. Which proves to me that you probably really don't know what you're arguing against.

I asked a civil question, and you turned into an asshole. Which proves to me that you probably really don't know what you're arguing against.

And I replied civilly which this last comment tell's me you are liberal minded. When answered can't come up with a rebuttal so you claim I was uncivil. Pitiful

 

[Valerie]

He may now but as governor sign any bills that protected the right to have an abortion?



Romney is anti gun right there is a non starter for most.
Romney is a flip flopper which is a non starter for others.

That's three strikes you're out.

2012 Presidential Candidates on Gun Control

OH my fucking aching head.

After throwing his support behind several gun control laws at the early stage of his political career, most notably, the Brady Act, Romney has reevaluated his position is now opposed to any further gun control legislation

Here you go. So once he was for taking gun ownership rights away but now he isn't holy shit here's a clue he's running for president and trying to get the republican base which is pro gun, to support him of course now he's going to be pro gun.

No, he's a flexible person who listens to the concerns of others and takes a rational approach to policy issues... Just cuz he's not an NRA stooge, doesn't mean he won't support the second amendment. His words ARE in English, you know...



"Let me speak very directly and candidly about where I stand. I support the Second Amendment as one of the most basic and fundamental rights of every American. It's essential to our functioning as a free society, as are all the liberties enumerated in the Bill of Rights..."


"I believe we need to focus on enforcing our current laws rather than creating new laws that burden lawful gun owners. I believe in safe and responsible gun ownership and that anyone who exercises the right to keep and bear arms must do so lawfully and properly. I do not believe in a one-size-fits-all federal approach to gun ownership because people keep and use firearms for different reasons. Law-abiding citizens have a right to protect their homes and their families and as President, I will vigorously defend that right."

 

[bigrebnc1775]

14 Bald-Faced Mitt Romney Flip-Flops That Were Dug Up By John McCain

Read more: 14 Bald-Faced Mitt Romney Flip-Flops That Were Dug Up By John McCain

#1 On Immigration - For A Path To Citizenship, Then Against

FLIP: “Gov. Mitt Romney expressed support ... for an immigration program that places large numbers of illegal residents on the path toward citizenship ... Romney said illegal immigrants should have a chance to obtain citizenship.” (Evan Lehmann, “Romney Supports Immigration Program, But Not Granting ‘Amnesty’,” The Lowell Sun, 3/30/06)

FLOP: “ think I’m best off to describe my own positions. And my positions, I think I’ve just described for you – secure the border, employment verification and no special pathway to citizenship. I feel that’s the course we ought to take.” (CNN’s “The Situation Room,” 5/22/07)

On The National Rifle Association And Gun Laws

FLIP: “[Romney] said he will take stands that put him at odds with some traditional ultra- conservative groups, and cited his support for the assault rifle ban and the Brady gun control law. ‘That’s not going to make me the hero of the NRA,’ he said. ‘I don’t line up with a lot of special interest groups.’” (Andrew Miga, “Mitt Rejects Right-Wing Aid,” Boston Herald, 9/23/94)

FLOP: Romney told a Derry, N.H., audience, ‘I’m after the NRA’s endorsement. I’m not sure they’ll give it to me. I hope they will. I also joined because if I’m going to ask for their endorsement, they’re going to ask for mine.’” (Glen Johnson, “Romney Calls Himself A Longtime Hunter,” The Associated Press, 4/5/07)

On Whether He Even Owns A Gun (This story changed within just a few days)

FLIP: "I have a gun of my own. I go hunting myself. I’m a member of the NRA and believe firmly in the right to bear arms," Romney said. (Glenn And Helen Show, www.glennandhelenshow.com, 1/10/07)

FLOP: "Asked by reporters at the gun show Friday whether he personally owned a gun, Romney said he did not. He said one of his sons, Josh, keeps two guns at the family vacation home in Utah, and he uses them ‘from time to time.’” (Scott Helman, “Romney Retreats On Gun Control,” The Boston Globe, 1/14/07)

Tax Pledges are beneath Romney, until the presidency was in front of him.

FLIP: “Four years ago, Mitt Romney broke with GOP tradition and refused to sign the [Americans for Tax Reform] pledge [to ‘oppose and veto any and all efforts to increase taxes’].” (Lisa Wangsness, “Healey Will Sign Antitax Pledge,” The Boston Globe, 9/4/06)
“Romney’s Gubernatorial Campaign Spokesman, Eric Fehrnstrom, Dismissed Such Pledges At The Time As ‘Government By Gimmickry.’” (Scott Helman, “Romney Finds ‘No New Taxes’ Promise Suits Him After All,” The Boston Globe, 1/5/07)

FLOP: “Almost five years after he refused to sign a ‘no new taxes’ pledge during his campaign for governor, Mitt Romney announced ... that he had done just that, as his campaign for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination began in earnest.” (Scott Helman, “Romney Finds ‘No New Taxes’ Promise Suits Him After All,” The Boston Globe, 1/5/07)

Anti-Reagan then, now Pro-Reagan

FLIP: “I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I’m not trying to return to Reagan- Bush,” Mitt Romney said during a debate with Ted Kennedy

FLOP: "'Ronald Reagan is one of my heroes,' Romney said as he praised Reagan’s strategy for winning the Cold War: ‘We win; they lose.’” (Michael Levenson, “Romney Links Gay Marriage, US Prestige,” The Boston Globe, 2/26/05)

His Own Health-Care Initiative. He's Not Sure About That Either.

FLIP: "In a Colonial-era hall, with a fife-and-drum corps marching in with him, Gov. Mitt Romney (R) signed a bill Wednesday requiring all Massachusetts residents to purchase health insurance -- portraying the measure as a historic solution to health-care costs, even as questions emerge about whether the state can afford it. The signing [was] staged with a near-presidential attention to theatrics and slogan-bearing banners...” (David A. Fahrenthold, “Mass. Marks Health-Care Milestone,” The Washington Post, 4/13/06)

FLOP: "As governor of Massachusetts he signed a bipartisan law intended to ensure that every resident has coverage. Romney touted it as an innovative free-market solution. Yet these days, Romney ... is much more likely to present his state’s universal coverage law as not a model to copy but an example for other states to learn from. He’s now a critic of his own biggest achievement.” (Sean Higgins, “Ex-Gov. Romney Keeps Distance From His Own Mass. Health Plan,” Investor’s Business Daily, 3/7/07)

14 Bald-Faced Mitt Romney Flip-Flops That Were Dug Up By John McCain

 

[mudwhistle]

Ones a big money big government republican like George Bush, while the other is a leftist class warfare nut bag.

Obama acts like he's a leftist nutbag but in reality he's a big money, big government opportunist that is intentionally ushering in the decline of the United States.

When it comes to Romney, most of the attacks are that he's so similar to Obama, which Democrats repeat with a straight face, but nothing could be further from the truth.

Obama hates everything this country stands for while Romney loves it, and it's pretty obvious.

 

[mskafka]

Simple solution is if you want another person telling you what to buy move to a country that does that. Would you have a problem with the government requiring every able body person over the age of 18 to buy a certain type of firearm and ammo from a certain manufacture, at a set over priced rate?]

I already have insurance that, my understanding, I will be able to keep. Not sure where the firearm and ammo analogy is going. Violent tendencies you have? No, I would rather see angry people like you move to another country, where you can scream your unreasonable demands to someone who care. Frankly, I'm tired of the division. This is MY country too. I work in healthcare, and feel the effects of those who aren't able to pay their bills. It effects my salary, and every other aspect of the job.




It's unfortunate, and I truly feel for your having to go through such a horrible thing. It was a single incident, hopefully with no complications. I have multiple sclerosis. Fortunately, I have VERY GOOD insurance through my job. The diagnosis alone was well over $10k. Along with that, I've had a hospital stay, 5 days of home health with IV steroid infusions. Peptic ulcers due to the tapering oral steroid ingestion, after the infusions. My daily injections cost $3500/month, of which I only pay $80. I'm sure that all the diagnostics, different tests, physical therapy (as I'm having trouble walking), occupational therapy, and everything else.....I would say that we've easily reached $50,000. And this disease is unpredictable. Imagine not being insured with these bills. Or a cancer patient. Or a major trauma, which requires surgery, weeks in the trauma ICU, and months in rehab. What if you weren't insured? Hundreds of thousands of dollars. Think you could go on a payment plan with that?

You can be foul-mouthed about it, and use your experience as an example of what everyone else should do. But as you see, not everyone has the same problem.



I'm not liberal, or in a stupor. I hope that my response humbled some of your righteous indignation, and absolute ignorance about the costs of healthcare.

I asked a civil question, and you turned into an asshole. Which proves to me that you probably really don't know what you're arguing against.

I asked a civil question, and you turned into an asshole. Which proves to me that you probably really don't know what you're arguing against.

And I replied civilly which this last comment tell's me you are liberal minded. When answered can't come up with a rebuttal so you claim I was uncivil. Pitiful

If that's your idea of civility, I would hate to see what you consider uncivil.
You have this idea that "what's good for the goose, is good for the gander".
Not everyone thinks like you do. Not everyone has the same values and ideals as you.
WHY do you think that they should? I'm a "liberal", yet I own a gun. I'm a "liberal", but I support the right to bear arms. I'm a "liberal", but I don't agree with abortion as a means of birth control. It's not my body, and I'm not going to picket at the clinics...but I myself would not do it. And SURPRISE....I would vote for Ron Paul, if he won the nomination.

But I do believe that health insurance should be mandatory. Even if you are in prime health, automobile accidents happen all day, every day. And a serious traumatic injury....the cost is going to be over the top.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

2012 Presidential Candidates on Gun Control

OH my fucking aching head.

After throwing his support behind several gun control laws at the early stage of his political career, most notably, the Brady Act, Romney has reevaluated his position is now opposed to any further gun control legislation

Here you go. So once he was for taking gun ownership rights away but now he isn't holy shit here's a clue he's running for president and trying to get the republican base which is pro gun, to support him of course now he's going to be pro gun.

No, he's a flexible person who listens to the concerns of others and takes a rational approach to policy issues... Just cuz he's not an NRA stooge, doesn't mean he won't support the second amendment. His words ARE in English, you know...



"Let me speak very directly and candidly about where I stand. I support the Second Amendment as one of the most basic and fundamental rights of every American. It's essential to our functioning as a free society, as are all the liberties enumerated in the Bill of Rights..."


"I believe we need to focus on enforcing our current laws rather than creating new laws that burden lawful gun owners. I believe in safe and responsible gun ownership and that anyone who exercises the right to keep and bear arms must do so lawfully and properly. I do not believe in a one-size-fits-all federal approach to gun ownership because people keep and use firearms for different reasons. Law-abiding citizens have a right to protect their homes and their families and as President, I will vigorously defend that right."

No, he's a flexible person who listens to the concerns of others and takes a rational approach to policy issues... Just cuz he's not an NRA stooge, doesn't mean he won't support the second amendment.

My words are in English HE'S SO FLEXIBLE THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE A BACKBONE. Of course he's not going to say he supports what he supported as Governor if he wouldn't say that how far do you think he would go?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I already have insurance that, my understanding, I will be able to keep. Not sure where the firearm and ammo analogy is going. Violent tendencies you have? No, I would rather see angry people like you move to another country, where you can scream your unreasonable demands to someone who care. Frankly, I'm tired of the division. This is MY country too. I work in healthcare, and feel the effects of those who aren't able to pay their bills. It effects my salary, and every other aspect of the job.




It's unfortunate, and I truly feel for your having to go through such a horrible thing. It was a single incident, hopefully with no complications. I have multiple sclerosis. Fortunately, I have VERY GOOD insurance through my job. The diagnosis alone was well over $10k. Along with that, I've had a hospital stay, 5 days of home health with IV steroid infusions. Peptic ulcers due to the tapering oral steroid ingestion, after the infusions. My daily injections cost $3500/month, of which I only pay $80. I'm sure that all the diagnostics, different tests, physical therapy (as I'm having trouble walking), occupational therapy, and everything else.....I would say that we've easily reached $50,000. And this disease is unpredictable. Imagine not being insured with these bills. Or a cancer patient. Or a major trauma, which requires surgery, weeks in the trauma ICU, and months in rehab. What if you weren't insured? Hundreds of thousands of dollars. Think you could go on a payment plan with that?

You can be foul-mouthed about it, and use your experience as an example of what everyone else should do. But as you see, not everyone has the same problem.



I'm not liberal, or in a stupor. I hope that my response humbled some of your righteous indignation, and absolute ignorance about the costs of healthcare.

I asked a civil question, and you turned into an asshole. Which proves to me that you probably really don't know what you're arguing against.

I asked a civil question, and you turned into an asshole. Which proves to me that you probably really don't know what you're arguing against.

And I replied civilly which this last comment tell's me you are liberal minded. When answered can't come up with a rebuttal so you claim I was uncivil. Pitiful

If that's your idea of civility, I would hate to see what you consider uncivil.
You have this idea that "what's good for the goose, is good for the gander".
Not everyone thinks like you do. Not everyone has the same values and ideals as you.
WHY do you think that they should? I'm a "liberal", yet I own a gun. I'm a "liberal", but I support the right to bear arms. I'm a "liberal", but I don't agree with abortion as a means of birth control. It's not my body, and I'm not going to picket at the clinics...but I myself would not do it. And SURPRISE....I would vote for Ron Paul, if he won the nomination.

But I do believe that health insurance should be mandatory. Even if you are in prime health, automobile accidents happen all day, every day. And a serious traumatic injury....the cost is going to be over the top.

I am very uncivil to liberals who claim they aren't liberal. Those liberals who admit they are I respect them and will act civil to them. You are a liberal and you do not deserve any civility. Until you refrain from saying you aren't something when you clearly are this is the only tone you'll get from me.

 

[Valerie]

OH my fucking aching head.


Here you go. So once he was for taking gun ownership rights away but now he isn't holy shit here's a clue he's running for president and trying to get the republican base which is pro gun, to support him of course now he's going to be pro gun.

No, he's a flexible person who listens to the concerns of others and takes a rational approach to policy issues... Just cuz he's not an NRA stooge, doesn't mean he won't support the second amendment. His words ARE in English, you know...



"Let me speak very directly and candidly about where I stand. I support the Second Amendment as one of the most basic and fundamental rights of every American. It's essential to our functioning as a free society, as are all the liberties enumerated in the Bill of Rights..."


"I believe we need to focus on enforcing our current laws rather than creating new laws that burden lawful gun owners. I believe in safe and responsible gun ownership and that anyone who exercises the right to keep and bear arms must do so lawfully and properly. I do not believe in a one-size-fits-all federal approach to gun ownership because people keep and use firearms for different reasons. Law-abiding citizens have a right to protect their homes and their families and as President, I will vigorously defend that right."

No, he's a flexible person who listens to the concerns of others and takes a rational approach to policy issues... Just cuz he's not an NRA stooge, doesn't mean he won't support the second amendment.

My words are in English HE'S SO FLEXIBLE THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE A BACKBONE. Of course he's not going to say he supports what he supported as Governor if he wouldn't say that how far do you think he would go?

It doesn't take a backbone to be a stooge, it takes a backbone to NOT be a stooge.



Can you take his words expressing what he intends to do and not do, and in plain English articulate your particular fear of what you think he's going to do....?

 

[mskafka]

And I replied civilly which this last comment tell's me you are liberal minded. When answered can't come up with a rebuttal so you claim I was uncivil. Pitiful

If that's your idea of civility, I would hate to see what you consider uncivil.
You have this idea that "what's good for the goose, is good for the gander".
Not everyone thinks like you do. Not everyone has the same values and ideals as you.
WHY do you think that they should? I'm a "liberal", yet I own a gun. I'm a "liberal", but I support the right to bear arms. I'm a "liberal", but I don't agree with abortion as a means of birth control. It's not my body, and I'm not going to picket at the clinics...but I myself would not do it. And SURPRISE....I would vote for Ron Paul, if he won the nomination.

But I do believe that health insurance should be mandatory. Even if you are in prime health, automobile accidents happen all day, every day. And a serious traumatic injury....the cost is going to be over the top.

I am very uncivil to liberals who claim they aren't liberal. Those liberals who admit they are I respect them and will act civil to them. You are a liberal and you do not deserve any civility. Until you refrain from saying you aren't something when you clearly are this is the only tone you'll get from me.

Well, I'm glad that you've shared that with me. I've desperately sought your approval, as you're posts are so thought-provoking and you're so good at reading people and catagorizing them as good or evil. Three words: Borderline Personality Disorder.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

No, he's a flexible person who listens to the concerns of others and takes a rational approach to policy issues... Just cuz he's not an NRA stooge, doesn't mean he won't support the second amendment. His words ARE in English, you know...



"Let me speak very directly and candidly about where I stand. I support the Second Amendment as one of the most basic and fundamental rights of every American. It's essential to our functioning as a free society, as are all the liberties enumerated in the Bill of Rights..."


"I believe we need to focus on enforcing our current laws rather than creating new laws that burden lawful gun owners. I believe in safe and responsible gun ownership and that anyone who exercises the right to keep and bear arms must do so lawfully and properly. I do not believe in a one-size-fits-all federal approach to gun ownership because people keep and use firearms for different reasons. Law-abiding citizens have a right to protect their homes and their families and as President, I will vigorously defend that right."

No, he's a flexible person who listens to the concerns of others and takes a rational approach to policy issues... Just cuz he's not an NRA stooge, doesn't mean he won't support the second amendment.

My words are in English HE'S SO FLEXIBLE THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE A BACKBONE. Of course he's not going to say he supports what he supported as Governor if he wouldn't say that how far do you think he would go?

It doesn't take a backbone to be a stooge, it takes a backbone to NOT be a stooge.



Can you take his words expressing what he intends to do and not do, and in plain English articulate your particular fear of what you think he's going to do....?

Either way he doesn't have a backbone

Can you take his words expressing what he intends to do and not do, and in plain English articulate your particular fear of what you think he's going to do.

Translation: You are right romney is a flip flopper and I have no rebuttal.

How was that translation?

But to answer your comment I am not going to take the chance on a flip flopper who now for political expedience says what the republican base wants to hear. I will go with what he has supported and has his signature as governor

 

[bigrebnc1775]

If that's your idea of civility, I would hate to see what you consider uncivil.
You have this idea that "what's good for the goose, is good for the gander".
Not everyone thinks like you do. Not everyone has the same values and ideals as you.
WHY do you think that they should? I'm a "liberal", yet I own a gun. I'm a "liberal", but I support the right to bear arms. I'm a "liberal", but I don't agree with abortion as a means of birth control. It's not my body, and I'm not going to picket at the clinics...but I myself would not do it. And SURPRISE....I would vote for Ron Paul, if he won the nomination.

But I do believe that health insurance should be mandatory. Even if you are in prime health, automobile accidents happen all day, every day. And a serious traumatic injury....the cost is going to be over the top.

I am very uncivil to liberals who claim they aren't liberal. Those liberals who admit they are I respect them and will act civil to them. You are a liberal and you do not deserve any civility. Until you refrain from saying you aren't something when you clearly are this is the only tone you'll get from me.

Well, I'm glad that you've shared that with me. I've desperately sought your approval, as you're posts are so thought-provoking and you're so good at reading people and catagorizing them as good or evil. Three words: Borderline Personality Disorder.

Shall we try it again or do you want to continue with your charade?