Obama administration writes check for $1.5 Billion to Iran without consulting congress

Bush wanted us to work out a new status of forces agreement and leave a residual force of 50,000 behind, but Big-ears wanted to be able to say he ended the war. So we bailed completely. This is all Obama's fault, not Bush
right. which president signed an agreement requiring us to leave? simple question, only one answer
I posted the answer to that several days ago. The fact that obama ran on getting out of Iraq left no wiggle room in the negotiations. It was not the deal W wanted.
it was the deal he signed. if he wanted something else he shouldnt have waited until his back was against the wall to negotiate it
It wasn't that simple.

Bush’s finest moment on Iraq: SOFA, not the surge
Conservatives now like to claim the SOFA as a “Bush-negotiated” success. But Bush entered the SOFA negotiations looking for something entirely different than what emerged at the end. The U.S. went into the SOFA talks intent on obtaining legitimacy for a long-term military presence in Iraq once the Security Council mandate ended. When negotiations began, it was widely assumed that Bush would extract from the Iraqis an agreement which made the removal of U.S. troops entirely contingent upon American assessments of conditions on the ground. There were widespread discussions of permanent U.S. bases and a Korea-style presence for generations, an assumption that the U.S. would retain a free hand in its operations, and an absolute rejection of an Obama-style timeline for withdrawal.

But Iraqi leaders, to most everyone’s surprise, took a hard line in the negotiations. Their tough line was encouraged by Iran, no doubt, as stressed by many frustrated American commentators. But it also reflected Iraqi domestic considerations, including several rounds of upcoming elections and an intensely strong popular Iraqi hostility to the U.S. occupation under any name. The Iraqis were also helped by the calender. As negotiations dragged on, the December 31 deadline loomed large, threatening to leave the U.S. troops without any legal mandate to remain in the country and forcing the hand of American negotiators. Finally, the Iraqi leaders clearly kept a careful eye on the American Presidential elections and used Obama’s stance to strengthen their own hand in negotiations.
and that changes what, exactly?

nothing except for more evidence that iraq wanted us gone
History cannot be changed. Remain as ignorant as you wish.
 
It was frozen money since Carter . It was theirs, its not up to us who they fund, we fund an army and AF in almost every nation. They are not funding Isis and never were.

They have been fighting a proxy war against us for decades. Fuck them. That money should have been confiscated and distributed to every adult in the U.S.
No! Put down on our debt.
 
Damn people...do you think if you blame the "other party" you are absolved somehow..or as long as you can throw some blame around the problem somehow goes away??
Writing a check to an absolute enemy of the United States for $1.5 billion and admitting all along that at least part of the money will fund terrorist....is fucking insane!!!
Talking about Bush 9 years ago doesn't change or excuse what just happened!!
It was frozen money since Carter . It was theirs, its not up to us who they fund, we fund an army and AF in almost every nation. They are not funding Isis and never were.

They have been fighting a proxy war against us for decades. Fuck them. That money should have been confiscated and distributed to every adult in the U.S.

Where , how come Reagan did the Contra Iran Deal with them. That is their money. Again, tell me when they actually attacked us and what proxy war your talking about?
 
right. which president signed an agreement requiring us to leave? simple question, only one answer
I posted the answer to that several days ago. The fact that obama ran on getting out of Iraq left no wiggle room in the negotiations. It was not the deal W wanted.
it was the deal he signed. if he wanted something else he shouldnt have waited until his back was against the wall to negotiate it
It wasn't that simple.

Bush’s finest moment on Iraq: SOFA, not the surge
Conservatives now like to claim the SOFA as a “Bush-negotiated” success. But Bush entered the SOFA negotiations looking for something entirely different than what emerged at the end. The U.S. went into the SOFA talks intent on obtaining legitimacy for a long-term military presence in Iraq once the Security Council mandate ended. When negotiations began, it was widely assumed that Bush would extract from the Iraqis an agreement which made the removal of U.S. troops entirely contingent upon American assessments of conditions on the ground. There were widespread discussions of permanent U.S. bases and a Korea-style presence for generations, an assumption that the U.S. would retain a free hand in its operations, and an absolute rejection of an Obama-style timeline for withdrawal.

But Iraqi leaders, to most everyone’s surprise, took a hard line in the negotiations. Their tough line was encouraged by Iran, no doubt, as stressed by many frustrated American commentators. But it also reflected Iraqi domestic considerations, including several rounds of upcoming elections and an intensely strong popular Iraqi hostility to the U.S. occupation under any name. The Iraqis were also helped by the calender. As negotiations dragged on, the December 31 deadline loomed large, threatening to leave the U.S. troops without any legal mandate to remain in the country and forcing the hand of American negotiators. Finally, the Iraqi leaders clearly kept a careful eye on the American Presidential elections and used Obama’s stance to strengthen their own hand in negotiations.
and that changes what, exactly?

nothing except for more evidence that iraq wanted us gone
History cannot be changed. Remain as ignorant as you wish.
nothing ignorant about it. did iraq want us gone or not? did bush agree at the last minute or not?
 
Iran has been the top source of state sponsored terrorism for nearly 40 years. ISIS is a Sunni response.

Isis is the result of Bush with Iraq and SA and Israel wanting Assad out and Obama obliging. They are financed by SA
ISIS is a result of the vacuum Obama created when he bailed on Iraq.
by following the agreement iraq wanted and bush signed.

how long did you expect us to need to fight itaq's fights for them?
Bush wanted us to work out a new status of forces agreement and leave a residual force of 50,000 behind, but Big-ears wanted to be able to say he ended the war. So we bailed completely. This is all Obama's fault, not Bush
right. which president signed an agreement requiring us to leave? simple question, only one answer
Which president has the right to make up his own fucking mind about what he's going to do and how he's going to carry it out?

Every one of them.

This the first one I know of that has been powerless to run his own administration....whenever it becomes convenient to claim so.
 
Isis is the result of Bush with Iraq and SA and Israel wanting Assad out and Obama obliging. They are financed by SA
ISIS is a result of the vacuum Obama created when he bailed on Iraq.
by following the agreement iraq wanted and bush signed.

how long did you expect us to need to fight itaq's fights for them?
Bush wanted us to work out a new status of forces agreement and leave a residual force of 50,000 behind, but Big-ears wanted to be able to say he ended the war. So we bailed completely. This is all Obama's fault, not Bush
right. which president signed an agreement requiring us to leave? simple question, only one answer
Which president has the right to make up his own fucking mind about what he's going to do and how he's going to carry it out?

Every one of them.

This the first one I know of that has been powerless to run his own administration....whenever it becomes convenient to claim so.
so you imagine a president could just ignore a binding agreement with another nation and leave military forces in their nation without permission.
 
so you imagine a president could just ignore a binding agreement with another nation and leave military forces in their nation without permission.

Yes....what are you stupid or something?
It is very simple, you tell them what you are going to do..or else the money stops flowing - and they find a way to agree.
This happens all the time.
Wake up and smell the world
 
so you imagine a president could just ignore a binding agreement with another nation and leave military forces in their nation without permission.

Yes....what are you stupid or something?
It is very simple, you tell them what you are going to do..or else the money stops flowing - and they find a way to agree.
This happens all the time.
Wake up and smell the world
and when they say 'no?'

seems you would have left iraq without our military and other resources
 
so you imagine a president could just ignore a binding agreement with another nation and leave military forces in their nation without permission.

Yes....what are you stupid or something?
It is very simple, you tell them what you are going to do..or else the money stops flowing - and they find a way to agree.
This happens all the time.
Wake up and smell the world
and when they say 'no?'

seems you would have left iraq without our military and other resources

Is this opposite day?
We have all the power here...however with Obama and Kerry we have two limp dicks who have absolutely no will whatsoever. When Iraq said our soldiers needed to leave? Well bill...I assure you it was our administration who couldn't wait to leave - that told them to say that. And even if it was the puppet leader we installed there who wanted us to leave...we would simply say no. And tell him to keep his mouth shut or the $millions he bought his fancy hats with - ends. And the security we supplied him with - starts looking the other way....and the weapons and training we supply...goes with us.
Same for writing the check to Iran. Quite simple...f*ck you..you will never see that money until you stop funneling 100's $millions to terrorist groups. It is that simple.
 
read and weep...WTF is wrong with this administration???
Some weak statement about funds froze in 1979...and ?1.3 billion is interest?????

Kerry admits SOME OF THE MONEY MAY END UP IN TERRORIST HANDS....what in the hell??????

Top House Republican demands Kerry explain $1.7 billion Iran payment | Fox News

President Donald Trump has left the impression with foreign officials, members of his administration, and others involved in Iranian negotiations that he is actively considering a French plan to extend a $15 billion credit line to the Iranians if Tehran comes back into compliance with the Obama-era nuclear deal.
 

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