NY Gov. Proposed 1 Billion in School Cuts.

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    ALBANY — Gov. David A. Paterson proposed what would be the largest cut to school aid in more than two decades and nearly $1 billion in new or increased taxes and fees as he unveiled his budget on Tuesday, a plan that is sure to touch off fierce opposition in the Legislature.

    Governor Paterson Seeks $1 Billion More in Taxes and Fees for New York - NYTimes.com


    After giving this a little thought, I have come to the conclusion that from a fiscal standpoint what choice does the state have other than cut even more services such as police and fire. It does seem to add fuel to the argument that adding attional mandates to states in the form of healthcare will result in even more such proposals. What I also find interesting here is that the Govt. has spend literally millions in wasted projects, in the name of Stimulus, and it would seem to me that if you really wanted to stimuluate anything you would want to invest in young people i.e. schools and qualified teachers rather than saving turtles and marsh mice.
     
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    this is good,, tax em til the tax base up and leaves then tax the ones who are left til they leave too.. Perfect.
     
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    The only reason why Stimulus money would be wasted is the Governors in those states wasted it.

    You're seeing much of the Stimulus money being illegally attempted from being diverted to schools to pet projects, etc.

    Stimulus funds have helped Oakland schools, but what happens now? – Oakland North -- North Oakland News, Food, Art and Events.

    One example.
     
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    Transportation and infrastructure is perhaps the worst method to stimulate the economy in terms of long term employment. While yes, there i no doubt that building and repairing roads is needed in many places, those jobs created in doing so are only temporary construction jobs and in some cases non-existant. What you see in NY is pretty typical of what a lot of states are facing a massive budget shortfall and not enough revenue to make up for it. So they begin by cutting servies such as schools, ROAD CONSTRUCTION, police, fire, etc. in order to survive , even with an influx of money intended to build those roads. Now add to that if it passes an additional mandate to fund state Medicaid and you have even more cuts. If the purpose is to actually use taxpayer money to stimulate an economy then do it, and target those fund to the creation of long term jobs, and long term needs. schools would come to mind.
     
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    The Stimulus job was to present the opportunity for jobs to be created and so they can be kept in the future when the economy was bad. Even in the name itself, Stimulus. As in to stimulate the economy when it was bad.

    stimulus - definition of stimulus by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

    New York is in a massive budget shortfall due to wasteful spending and other things. I know that services such as road construction, police, etc are the first to go in a bad economy. Come by my state, the roads suck.
     
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    Well Dogbert, the whole premise in my mind was flawed because generally when a state is doing badly for economic reasons, low tax base, poor spending whatever, usually one of the first things to be cut is road construction. So a stimulus plan that supposes to give a state a blank check then say.. " here you go spend this on "shovel ready" projects, sort of assumes the state will actually do that. They might, eventually or then again , they might as with the case here as they love to do put those orange traffic cones up and leave them there for about 3 or 4 years and claim they are doing something.
     
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    Except they weren't given a blank check. The Governors were suppose to give a specific amount to road construction, specific % to schools, specific % to etc. Some of the governors didn't like that and tried to sidestep the rules to pay off the deficits in their states that would only be bigger next year.

    I would know, my Governor (a Republican mind you) tried to take money away from the schools.

    Cicilline seeks to block Carcieri's use of stimulus money - Projo 7 to 7 News Blog | Rhode Island news | The Providence Journal

    See the full picture now?
     
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    Charter schools and vouchers would fix everything. Maybe a tax cut as well.
     
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    The governor has said officials would be forced to make drastic cuts in public safety, education and social services if voters reject his budget-related ballot measures in the statewide special election. He also will propose raising as much as $1 billion by selling state properties, including San Quentin prison, according to documents obtained by The Chronicle.

    But closing a deficit for the fiscal year beginning July 1 that ranges between $15.4 billion and $21.3 billion has become much more complicated because of Washington's requirement that states maintain a minimum level of spending and services in exchange for stimulus funds.

    Services that face federal rules in California are education, health care and social services, which together represent well more than half of the state's $92 billion spending plan for the coming year.
    If state cuts too deep it loses stimulus funds - SFGate

    I'm aware that there are terms and conditions on those funds however money allocated to road construction for some states depending on how they budget goes into a a states "general fund" for that purpose and once there at least in my state they have removed money from that fund to other "general funds" in the state budget for operational purposes and I am sure it's not very much to assume that the same is true for this stimulus money. It still does not address the flaw in the logic in the first place with two basic programs one is the proposed healthcare bill, and two is job creation in the Stimulus bill.
     
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    That's it, deprive the schools of the ability to teach, worse, in some cases than they do now.I am referring to public schools for a start. Keep the masses uneducated and poor, yeah makes sense to me.:cuckoo:

    How about first starting with everyone of the states employees and school instructors taking a 15% pay cut, including of course the GOV himself, AND pay around the average of $700/mo for two people for health care, for those who are not state employees, plus of course the additional co-pays for meds and office visits. End what many states have upon retirement after walking out with 2 or $300,000 and paying $10,000, UP FRONT, for LIFETIME healthcare, no cost from that point on! Just as a 'good will' gesture.

    Everyone of it's citizens get their pay stolen in bits and pieces over the years, but most state funded programs,employees etc seem to be in many cases immune. And when the states do make cuts it's usually something stupid, like cut funding to hospitals for losses treating the indigents and others.

    This babble could go on forever.....the end..for now
     

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