Number of Jobs Added in August?

january's 2009's unemployment rate was 7.8%, and February's 8.2%....and this did come from the Bush era, that can not be denied....so although you praise Bush for running a 5% unemployment rate it is NOT what his presidential term left this country with....

would you have preferred the Depression, without any stimulus?

I am not certain.... I was against the stimulus for the Banks and for us when they first were being proposed and stuck with that position for a while....

I understand how you feel about government jobs being protected with stimulus monies....but wasn't that up to the States? The States chose to use the money to save some of their citizen's jobs....they could have cut them and used more of the money for projects....no?

I can't imagine the state of the economy with even more people on unemployment with less money to spend in the market place....and more homes hitting foreclosure at once.

but at the same time, my husband's job in the private* sector was not protected with our tax monies...so it can be viewed as 'unfair'.

much of the stimulus was used to pay for unemployment, and for tax breaks....we don't know what that has brought to the economy, but I can only imagine with less monies in the hands of the people, it would have been worse....hard to imagine it being any worse...but it probably would have been.

Our problem is Congress never showing restraint on their spending on frivolous and pet project things, on wars, on defense spending in general, on adding new programs like Medicare part D pill bill without showing it could be paid for, the new upcoming health care bill too except it hasn't gone in to effect yet so this is added spending for the future....these other things are lingering things that continue to add to our deficits.....and these are ALL things that CONGRESS is in charge of....

congress has done a cruddy job the last 10 years.

It's easy to blame bush and blame obama.....but they can not and never have, single handedly 'saved the world' or saved our economy...

that tax break thing is sooo over played care, do you know that the money for green jobs as in subsidies is counted as a tax break? etc.ask howard fienstien.


the tax breaks we needed and that we will eventually have, are a re work of the tax code, for all of the new found hey lets do it from the dems they had 2 years to do it didn't they? obama? what was his plan? 97-0...thats what and then a plan that CBO could not score becasue he refused to put it on paper?....just spend.

what happened to the Erskine-Bowles commission? the dems have not done a budget in 900 days......hello. the battles over the last months have been an attempt ot try and stop the bleeding, debt ceiling? a plan by reid and obama to wait till the last minute so the reps would own it, in harrys words...hello? that took how much time and effort ?

look, they are in the end all to blame but everytime there comes time for a gut check, its never ever obamas fault, he floats above it as he designed his plan to do just that, whats the point then if we have a change next year? if the pres. is powerless and has zip responsibility then elect elect mickey mouse.

and stepping back for a moment every damn bird that fell from a tree in the 2000's was bush and the rep congresses fault, I know better BUT will not sit here and allow obama and his supra and reconciliation majority blunders pass as if hey its the reps or the house or the senate etc etc ..this hey its everyones fault took a powder in jan 07 becasue the media wanted it that way, it took a powder when obama was elected, it was only bushs fault, well the worm has turned and I am not gonna go along with this avoidance, whats good for the goose is good for the gander.......he owns this, period, full stop.
the Dems did not have a super majority in the Senate....ted kennedy was diagnosed with brain cancer and was not at his job for most of the time he had until he died, then for just a couple of months he had a Dem replacement, then Scott Brown was elected as a Republican.

Near nothing got done on the Dem agenda because the Senate republicans blocked it with filibusters, or moves that took the Senate to only pass legislation with a super majority.

Dems were bitching about this at the time and "you all" basically said "tough poopie".....

Now the republican majority is not getting their legislation through the Senate and you no longer say "tough poopie" and you blame Reid.

It's kinda hypocritical, eh? for both sides of the aisle.

AND THIS is my point trajan.....YOU take issue with the senate and or obama not allowing the House's legislation to go through, I took issue with the Republicans in the senate for not letting the dem majority house passed legislation through the senate.

WE both take issue with ''the other side'' not passing or stopping legislation... going through and getting passed. You blame obama, i blamed bush....

but when all is said and done, it is Congress's fault....for not being able to WORK with each other for what is best for ALL of us, on the whole imo.

and yes, obama is weak and has no experience in working with people that hate him....reagan was an expert at it....clinton was an expert at it...even bush 2 was pretty good at getting what he wanted through congress for the most part.... but not obama.

If what you are saying were accurate, Care...then why didn't the Republicans block Obama Care? The reality of the situation was that it was Blue Dog Democrats that held up the more progressive parts of Barack Obama's agenda. He couldn't get THEM to go along with his proposals for things like the public option, card check and cap & trade.

The fact is, the Obama Administration began with control of the House and the Senate. The Democrats didn't work with the Republicans at all on legislation. Or have you forgotten the meeting Obama had with Republican leaders at the White House where he quite smugly told Eric Cantor "I won" as a response to Republican proposals? The reason that Obama is now working with "people that hate him" is in large part due to the way he treated those same people when he was totally calling the shots.
 
I had no idea Obama created jobs? I thought the corporations and the purchases by American citizens created jobs? I thought making things in America created jobs? Just a while ago while riding my made in America bicycle past my made in America car, I noticed that most of the cars were foreign? Japanese, Korean, and German? So I thought am I in a parallel universe or am I imagining this scene? So I stopped in a large chain store and I looked where everything was made? Again I thought I must have been transported to China? Couldn't be I thought? Nah, this is America and Americans know many need jobs, so surely they'd buy American made? Surely they would? Surely corporations would build here too? Let's hope that Obama guy has a large large family, I do, don't you?

Buy American = "Because Ford, GM and Chrysler conduct far more of their research, design, engineering, manufacturing and assembly work in the U.S. than foreign automakers do, buying a Ford, GM, or Chrysler supports almost three times as many jobs as buying the average foreign automobile. Some comparisons are even more striking. Buying a Ford supports 3.5 times more jobs than buying a Hyundai. Comparing a Honda and a Hyundai? Buying a Honda supports more than 2 times more jobs." The Level Field Institute

Jobs created during U.S. presidential terms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How Americans Can Buy American

So we have a new plan of attack stop blaming bush and start blaming corporations? Since Bush was president it was ll his fult but now since obama has become prsident and things haven't gotten better but worse you blame something other than your normal focus attampt at the oval office. That duck want fly if the economy was bushes faault then it's now obama's fault.
 
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OMG, but you are clueless! The "jobs" created by the Democratic stimulus were in the Public Sector instead of the Private Sector. Only an idiot would expect them to be sustainable when the money to do so has to come from the Private Sector. It's Obama's fault because he doesn't understand basic economic principles.

That's simply false.

And if the stimulus money creates a private sector job, i.e., building a bridge or repairing a road...

...how is that not temporary?

You obviously are one more person who doesn't understand how stimulus works.

:lol:how many weatherization jobs have been created, what have they accomplished and, whats the cost per job...go ahead, I'll wait.

The stimulus created or saved 3 million jobs. Yes, temporarily. That is what a stimulus is supposed to do. That's what it did.

State and local governments are now laying off more people as stimulus money runs out. Infrastructure projects paid for with stimulus money, that created jobs, have come and gone.

You want to refund the stimulus to keep those people working or create new jobs for the people who's stimulus work ended?

Of course you don't. So quit crying about the lack of jobs and trying to blame it on Obama.

Obama doesn't run the private sector. Obama doesn't control how much money the consumers spend.
 
I've been saying for a long time that the Socialists/Progressives don't have the answers. They are clearly only making things worse. Raising Taxes and spending more Tax Dollars will not save us. What kind of future are they leaving our future generations? It's very sad.
 
I've been saying for a long time that the Socialists/Progressives don't have the answers. They are clearly only making things worse. Raising Taxes and spending more Tax Dollars will not save us. What kind of future are they leaving our future generations? It's very sad.
Thier answers are more of the same. Pour good money after bad, demand more, and refuse to admit we're broke. But hey? that's OK. FED will print more paper and flood the market. Yeah! That'll work!

Nevermind productivity is abysmal...

:eusa_shhh:
 
that tax break thing is sooo over played care, do you know that the money for green jobs as in subsidies is counted as a tax break? etc.ask howard fienstien.


the tax breaks we needed and that we will eventually have, are a re work of the tax code, for all of the new found hey lets do it from the dems they had 2 years to do it didn't they? obama? what was his plan? 97-0...thats what and then a plan that CBO could not score becasue he refused to put it on paper?....just spend.

what happened to the Erskine-Bowles commission? the dems have not done a budget in 900 days......hello. the battles over the last months have been an attempt ot try and stop the bleeding, debt ceiling? a plan by reid and obama to wait till the last minute so the reps would own it, in harrys words...hello? that took how much time and effort ?

look, they are in the end all to blame but everytime there comes time for a gut check, its never ever obamas fault, he floats above it as he designed his plan to do just that, whats the point then if we have a change next year? if the pres. is powerless and has zip responsibility then elect elect mickey mouse.

and stepping back for a moment every damn bird that fell from a tree in the 2000's was bush and the rep congresses fault, I know better BUT will not sit here and allow obama and his supra and reconciliation majority blunders pass as if hey its the reps or the house or the senate etc etc ..this hey its everyones fault took a powder in jan 07 becasue the media wanted it that way, it took a powder when obama was elected, it was only bushs fault, well the worm has turned and I am not gonna go along with this avoidance, whats good for the goose is good for the gander.......he owns this, period, full stop.
the Dems did not have a super majority in the Senate....ted kennedy was diagnosed with brain cancer and was not at his job for most of the time he had until he died, then for just a couple of months he had a Dem replacement, then Scott Brown was elected as a Republican.

Near nothing got done on the Dem agenda because the Senate republicans blocked it with filibusters, or moves that took the Senate to only pass legislation with a super majority.

Dems were bitching about this at the time and "you all" basically said "tough poopie".....

Now the republican majority is not getting their legislation through the Senate and you no longer say "tough poopie" and you blame Reid.

It's kinda hypocritical, eh? for both sides of the aisle.

AND THIS is my point trajan.....YOU take issue with the senate and or obama not allowing the House's legislation to go through, I took issue with the Republicans in the senate for not letting the dem majority house passed legislation through the senate.

WE both take issue with ''the other side'' not passing or stopping legislation... going through and getting passed. You blame obama, i blamed bush....

but when all is said and done, it is Congress's fault....for not being able to WORK with each other for what is best for ALL of us, on the whole imo.

and yes, obama is weak and has no experience in working with people that hate him....reagan was an expert at it....clinton was an expert at it...even bush 2 was pretty good at getting what he wanted through congress for the most part.... but not obama.

If what you are saying were accurate, Care...then why didn't the Republicans block Obama Care? The reality of the situation was that it was Blue Dog Democrats that held up the more progressive parts of Barack Obama's agenda. He couldn't get THEM to go along with his proposals for things like the public option, card check and cap & trade.

The fact is, the Obama Administration began with control of the House and the Senate. The Democrats didn't work with the Republicans at all on legislation. Or have you forgotten the meeting Obama had with Republican leaders at the White House where he quite smugly told Eric Cantor "I won" as a response to Republican proposals? The reason that Obama is now working with "people that hate him" is in large part due to the way he treated those same people when he was totally calling the shots.
the senate republicans did filibuster the health care bill in the senate so that it would take 60 votes to get it to cloture....but in that case scott brown and a handful of other republicans i believe, voted with the democrats to bring the filibuster to cloture and a vote for the bill made it to the floor.... where only a majority was needed to pass
 
january's 2009's unemployment rate was 7.8%, and February's 8.2%....and this did come from the Bush era, that can not be denied....so although you praise Bush for running a 5% unemployment rate it is NOT what his presidential term left this country with....

would you have preferred the Depression, without any stimulus?

I am not certain.... I was against the stimulus for the Banks and for us when they first were being proposed and stuck with that position for a while....

I understand how you feel about government jobs being protected with stimulus monies....but wasn't that up to the States? The States chose to use the money to save some of their citizen's jobs....they could have cut them and used more of the money for projects....no?

I can't imagine the state of the economy with even more people on unemployment with less money to spend in the market place....and more homes hitting foreclosure at once.

but at the same time, my husband's job in the private* sector was not protected with our tax monies...so it can be viewed as 'unfair'.

much of the stimulus was used to pay for unemployment, and for tax breaks....we don't know what that has brought to the economy, but I can only imagine with less monies in the hands of the people, it would have been worse....hard to imagine it being any worse...but it probably would have been.

Our problem is Congress never showing restraint on their spending on frivolous and pet project things, on wars, on defense spending in general, on adding new programs like Medicare part D pill bill without showing it could be paid for, the new upcoming health care bill too except it hasn't gone in to effect yet so this is added spending for the future....these other things are lingering things that continue to add to our deficits.....and these are ALL things that CONGRESS is in charge of....

congress has done a cruddy job the last 10 years.

It's easy to blame bush and blame obama.....but they can not and never have, single handedly 'saved the world' or saved our economy...

that tax break thing is sooo over played care, do you know that the money for green jobs as in subsidies is counted as a tax break? etc.ask howard fienstien.


the tax breaks we needed and that we will eventually have, are a re work of the tax code, for all of the new found hey lets do it from the dems they had 2 years to do it didn't they? obama? what was his plan? 97-0...thats what and then a plan that CBO could not score becasue he refused to put it on paper?....just spend.

what happened to the Erskine-Bowles commission? the dems have not done a budget in 900 days......hello. the battles over the last months have been an attempt ot try and stop the bleeding, debt ceiling? a plan by reid and obama to wait till the last minute so the reps would own it, in harrys words...hello? that took how much time and effort ?

look, they are in the end all to blame but everytime there comes time for a gut check, its never ever obamas fault, he floats above it as he designed his plan to do just that, whats the point then if we have a change next year? if the pres. is powerless and has zip responsibility then elect elect mickey mouse.

and stepping back for a moment every damn bird that fell from a tree in the 2000's was bush and the rep congresses fault, I know better BUT will not sit here and allow obama and his supra and reconciliation majority blunders pass as if hey its the reps or the house or the senate etc etc ..this hey its everyones fault took a powder in jan 07 becasue the media wanted it that way, it took a powder when obama was elected, it was only bushs fault, well the worm has turned and I am not gonna go along with this avoidance, whats good for the goose is good for the gander.......he owns this, period, full stop.

the Dems did not have a super majority in the Senate....ted kennedy was diagnosed with brain cancer and was not at his job for most of the time he had until he died, then for just a couple of months he had a Dem replacement, then Scott Brown was elected as a Republican.

Near nothing got done on the Dem agenda because the Senate republicans blocked it with filibusters, or moves that took the Senate to only pass legislation with a super majority.


Can you please link to these filibusters, it doesn't make sense to me:eusa_eh:

cloture involves 3/5 of sitting Senators Care, 59 out of 99 is 3/5 so the kennedy thing was a wash. Arlen Spector switched over to the Democrats in mid April…. Franken was in, senate may have spent time in recess but so?

60-39, that was the vote for obamacare? remember? Christmas ? so yes they did have a supra majority I am sorry but that is a fact. whats more they had a reconciliation budgetary majority, thx to mssr. Byrds legislation ( which yes even Bush used), a simple 50....we have a budget due October 1st for next year, what are the chances we will have one? That will make 2 full years they have not done one, and, whos fault is that? The reps? They submitted plans....and? The senate is supposed to take them up in committee so they can argue it out, that is the prcoess. have they? AND this is supposed to started by OBAMA, his plan? where is it? not so, simple as that*shrugs*.





Dems were bitching about this at the time and "you all" basically said "tough poopie".....

Now the republican majority is not getting their legislation through the Senate and you no longer say "tough poopie" and you blame Reid.

AND THIS is my point trajan.....YOU take issue with the senate and or obama not allowing the House's legislation to go through, I took issue with the Republicans in the senate for not letting the dem majority house passed legislation through the senate.

what legislation are you speaking of exactly:eusa_eh:


It's kinda hypocritical, eh? for both sides of the aisle.


WE both take issue with ''the other side'' not passing or stopping legislation... going through and getting passed. You blame obama, i blamed bush....

but when all is said and done, it is Congress's fault....for not being able to WORK with each other for what is best for ALL of us, on the whole imo.

and yes, obama is weak and has no experience in working with people that hate him....reagan was an expert at it....clinton was an expert at it...even bush 2 was pretty good at getting what he wanted through congress for the most part.... but not obama.

well, you just made your argument ans answered it for me. its beyond him.....he has a severe leadership fail, and I fail to see how that makes anything I said irrelevant or wrong or misguided. He was happy to allow the congress to craft obamacare, dod frank now he wants to step back and accuse everyone else of playing politics like hes some untouchable.....just floating above it all, to that I say well done because it seems that has gained traction as the media plays along and will play along.


If you read closely you will see in almost all of my remarks since I have been here contains the same points, in that one of the biggest gripes I have is; is the sheer hypocrisy, the media will play every angle to make the dems look good and th reps look bad, like it or not this has an effect, a big one, they are protecting obama and have pounded bush, they pounded Reagan and gave Clinton props yet only mention the congress as shit when it’s a rep congress, and don’t have a word to say whens it’s a dem congress…..

I am as usual tired of it, slay one slay them all, the dem congress sucked, they didn’t do their jobs, in the 2000s the reps congress and bush sucked they spent like no tomorrow, see? I have no issue with admitting fault, I just won’t sit back and play this hey its everyone fault game when it’s the Dems turn in the barrel.

Its always the reps fault hell or highwater even if they didn’t have control of the process, and when the burden of gthe last 2 years is on their backs? Its back to a fall back position- its everyone’s fault, and no, it is not, not in this case.
 
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Nada...zip. :(

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Remember now Republicans own the house where bills are supposed to origionate.

We have too many nudists in congress.
Ban nudity in congress!

and remember the senate and the piece of shit in office say they are dead before they arrive !!!
 
Also,i must reiterate that i don't trust their numbers to be honest or accurate. This Administration is well-known for cooking the books. This no loss or gain Jobs Report seems very fishy to me. First time that has happened since 1945. I'm not buying these numbers. Things are much worse. Bet on that.
 
Also,i must reiterate that i don't trust their numbers to be honest or accurate. This Administration is well-known for cooking the books. This no loss or gain Jobs Report seems very fishy to me. First time that has happened since 1945. I'm not buying these numbers. Things are much worse. Bet on that.

If anything I bet we lost more jobs.
 
Also,i must reiterate that i don't trust their numbers to be honest or accurate. This Administration is well-known for cooking the books. This no loss or gain Jobs Report seems very fishy to me. First time that has happened since 1945. I'm not buying these numbers. Things are much worse. Bet on that.

If anything I bet we lost more jobs.

Oh yea,a no loss/no gain Jobs Report seems incredibly Bogus to me. I just don't believe their numbers anymore. If they're saying 9.1%,just go ahead and think at least 15-20%. This report looks like a Labor Day/Big Jobs Speech ploy. No Loss/No Gain?? I call Bullshot for sure.
 
Also,i must reiterate that i don't trust their numbers to be honest or accurate. This Administration is well-known for cooking the books. This no loss or gain Jobs Report seems very fishy to me. First time that has happened since 1945. I'm not buying these numbers. Things are much worse. Bet on that.

If anything I bet we lost more jobs.

Oh yea,a no loss/no gain Jobs Report seems incredibly Bogus to me. I just don't believe their numbers anymore. If they're saying 9.1%,just go ahead and think at least 15-20%. This report looks like a Labor Day/Big Jobs Speech ploy. No Loss/No Gain?? I call Bullshot for sure.

People lose jobs and gain jobs everyday so yes, more than likely that no loss no gains report is bogus.
 
If anything I bet we lost more jobs.

Oh yea,a no loss/no gain Jobs Report seems incredibly Bogus to me. I just don't believe their numbers anymore. If they're saying 9.1%,just go ahead and think at least 15-20%. This report looks like a Labor Day/Big Jobs Speech ploy. No Loss/No Gain?? I call Bullshot for sure.

People lose jobs and gain jobs everyday so yes, more than likely that no loss no gains report is bogus.

It's the first time that's happened since 1945. I'm not buying it. A No Loss/No Gain Report is a lie. Period,end of story.
 
Oh yea,a no loss/no gain Jobs Report seems incredibly Bogus to me. I just don't believe their numbers anymore. If they're saying 9.1%,just go ahead and think at least 15-20%. This report looks like a Labor Day/Big Jobs Speech ploy. No Loss/No Gain?? I call Bullshot for sure.

People lose jobs and gain jobs everyday so yes, more than likely that no loss no gains report is bogus.

It's the first time that's happened since 1945. I'm not buying it. A No Loss/No Gain Report is a lie. Period,end of story.

Even if by some miracle this were true, its not a positive sign that everything is frozen like this, this is bad news no matter how you slice it.
 

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