NRA Wants Mentally Ill To Have Gun Rights

[eots]

What criteria do you use to determine mental illness in order to deny someone a gun? Is clinical depression a mental illness? From what I have read 30% of U.S. women suffer from it.

I find it very odd that several posters have asked what qualifies as mental illness to deny gun rights. How would any of us know? What may make someone unstable may not make someone else unstable. It depends on the individual.

What qualifies as mental illness (and its degree of severity) to approve or deny gun rights can only be determined upon examinations by licensed mental health professionals - then ruled on by legal professionals (judges) based on a person's mental illness history along with psychiatric examinations and recommendations. This process could also include interviews with a person's family, friends, employers and co-workers (if applicable).

So by determined upon examinations by licensed mental health professionals

you mean people like this...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqaptRYjhq4]Psychiatry is fake science. The Thud Experiment proof. - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Lakhota]

eots, you have lost all credibility with me.

 

[Charles_Main]

After the massacre at Virginia Tech in 2007, Congress did manage to pass a modest measure that was designed to provide money to states to improve the federal background check system. But the N.R.A. secured a broad concession in the legislation, which pushed states to allow people with histories of mental illness to petition to have their gun rights restored.

More: Silent Since Shootings, N.R.A. Could Face Challenge to Political Power - The New York Times

As a condition of its support for the measure, the National Rifle Association extracted a concession: the inclusion of a mechanism for restoring firearms rights to those who lost them for mental health reasons.

More: Some With Histories of Mental Illness Petition to Get Their Gun Rights Back - The New York Times

Extreme Positions like this, are why despite being a avid Gun Owner, and 2nd Amendment Defender. I am not a member of the NRA.

 

[Stephanie]

eots, you have lost all credibility with me.

You lost all credibility with MOST people here a long time ago..we tried to tell you but on and on you went.
take this thread for a Example, one of many stupid ones

 

[squeeze berry]

I was an NRA member for about 30 years - until they went totally psycho.

was an NRA member for about 30 years - until I went totally psycho

fixed it fer ya

 

[eots]

eots, you have lost all credibility with me.

it seems to me what lacks credibility is licensed mental health professionals
and their ability to determine mental illness or preemptively determine who is a danger

 

[Lakhota]

Who would you suggest diagnose and determine a person's fitness for gun rights? A fortune teller...?

 

[Politico]

Depression can't be cured?

No.

Sorry, even chronic depression can be cured. Depression that results from emotional upheaval has long recognized to be curable.

The Street Drug That Can Cure Depression | Men's Health News

You say it can be cured then link to a pill. Hilarious.

 

[eots]

Who would you suggest diagnose and determine a person's fitness for gun rights? A fortune teller...?

a fortune teller would be about the same..I would suggest that anyone who has not committed a violent felony has the right to bare arms

 

[Lakhota]

What "you suggest" and what the laws say may differ. I'll go with the laws...

 

[eots]

and which laws would those be ?

 

[eots]

someone with no history of violence should not be restricted from owing a gun..

 

[Lakhota]

and which laws would those be ?

The federal and state laws currently on the books (and strictly enforced) - until something better comes along. Also, totally remove the NRA from the mental illness/gun rights process.

 

[eots]

and which laws would those be ?

The federal and state laws currently on the books (and strictly enforced) - until something better comes along. Also, totally remove the NRA from the mental illness/gun rights process.

these laws say...with histories of mental illness and a proclivity toward violence

 

[eots]

and it is completely ineffective from actually keeping these people from getting guns

 

[Lakhota]

and which laws would those be ?

The federal and state laws currently on the books (and strictly enforced) - until something better comes along. Also, totally remove the NRA from the mental illness/gun rights process.

these laws say...with histories of mental illness and a proclivity toward violence

Is that what they all say...?

 

[eots]

these laws are limited in reach to people who have been institutionalized or subject to legal sanctions related to their mental health conditions. People with longstanding mental health problems or histories of violence who haven't been processed by the legal system wouldn't fall under these rules.

Federal laws dating to 1968 forbid anyone from owning a firearm who has been designated by a court or some other official body as a danger to themselves or others, who has been involuntarily committed to a mental health facility or who has pleaded insanity in a criminal trial. Like all federal gun laws, these restrictions only apply to firearms purchased by licensed dealers and subject to background checks, not private sales. Poor record-keeping and a lack of coordination between state and federal governments also result in gaps in the database used for background checks.

Gun Control Laws Fail To Keep Mentally Ill Away From Guns

 

[Lakhota]

So, you're saying the current system is inadequate? If so, I agree.

 

[eots]

Metairie man who stabbed neighbors found not guilty by reason of insanity

Metairie man who stabbed neighbors found not guilty by reason of insanity | NOLA.com

Arthur Caenen Jr., a 38-year-old drifter with a history of mental illness, is charged with murder for allegedly aiming his car at a teen who had run out of gas. Now a jury must decide if Caenen acted — or is capable of acting — with deliberation and premeditation.

Arthur CAENEN - Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers


THE death of a "loveable" Ocean Shores man through the actions of an insane killer could have been prevented and left a void that can never be filled, his grieving partner said yesterday.

Nanette Turner sat stunned in the NSW Supreme Court as mentally ill man James Andrew Mitchell was found not guilty of murdering her partner John Foss.

Justice Elizabeth Fullerton found that Mitchell, 54, was suffering psychosis when he deliberately ran over Mr Foss, 60, with a motorbike on January 3.

THE death of a "loveable" Ocean Shores man through the actions of an insane killer could have been prevented and left a void that can never be filled, his grieving partner said yesterday.

Nanette Turner sat stunned in the NSW Supreme Court as mentally ill man James Andrew Mitchell was found not guilty of murdering her partner John Foss.

Mentally ill man acquitted of shocking murder in NSW Court | Daily News



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[eots]

So, you're saying the current system is inadequate? If so, I agree.

the entire mental health profession and the medicalization of mental illness is what is inadequate