Now we know. It's the Tea Party's fault!!!

[pinqy]

Only those who file for unemployment insurance are counted in the official government unemployment numbers. Those who have exhausted their benefits, who have given up, or who are severely underemployed just to get a little cash in hand are not counted in the offical unemployment numbers. Which is why the real unemplyment figures are often as much as double or even more than the official unemplyment figure.

And your source for that is????
Let's look at facts:
Employment Situation Technical Note
Emphasis mine.

Or if you had looked at How the Government Measure Unemployment

Some people think that to get these figures on unemployment, the Government uses the number of persons filing claims for unemployment insurance (UI) benefits under State or Federal Government programs. But some people are still jobless when their benefits run out, and many more are not eligible at all or delay or never apply for benefits. So, quite clearly, UI information cannot be used as a source for complete information on the number of unemployed. ...
Because unemployment insurance records relate only to persons who have applied for such benefits, and since it is impractical to actually count every unemployed person each month, the Government conducts a monthly sample survey called the Current Population Survey (CPS) to measure the extent of unemployment in the country. The CPS has been conducted in the United States every month since 1940, when it began as a Work Projects Administration project.

Unemployment Insurance benefits HAVE NEVER EVER BEEN USED TO DETERMINE OFFICIAL UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBERS.

And yes, apparently I do have to shout since I myself end up stating this every month, other people state it, and 3 minutes of research would have told you it.

Okay you're right and I stand corrected. I was thinking of the new cliams filed that comes out every week.

So after looking at the data a bit, it seems that our government determines the unemployment rate by polling 60,000 households? I've never been polled about that. Nobody I know has ever been polled about that.

What are you suggesting? The survey has been conducyed since 1941. Census collects the data, sends it straight to BLS. OPM and Congress have oversight.

Do you trust the numbers that the government then feeds us?

"The government" is not monolithic. The laws and policies for statistical agencies are very strict. No politician or policy maker has access or influence. I know the methodology well. You do need to know how to analyze the data or you could be fooled by political spin. Most of the recent drop has been for the wrong reasons and is not really good news.

 

[Catalist]

I was very enthused when I first heard about the Tea Party, but feel it has gotten lost in all the rhetoric about race. Now, as a white, I think we have been taking a lot of crap from the third world that is unjustified. But, how do you have an organization that represents the interest of white America without being labeled racist?

Look for example at illegal immigration. 82% of illegals come from south of our border, and happen to be brown skinned. But as soon as you attack illegal aliens as an economic drain you are branded a "racist." We are talking about an economic issue for God sake, not a racial one. They love to paint anything that would hurt illegals with a human rights brush, and that quite simply is bull. Yet if someone stands up and says "Asia for Asians," that is OK.

We whites need a good advertising agency to tell our story and avoid the pitfalls of racism. And this #OWS movement? We damn well better be out there recruiting too. Traditional America has a story to tell, and needs to be represented. This is not a partisan political situation, it is an American one.

If you have left the Tea Party because of racial matters, you have bought into the exact rhetoric with the exact effect the Obama supporters wanted you to believe. They hope to sucker as many people into that concept as they can. With a surrogate media on their side, it is easy for those who don't do their homework to get sucked in.

The Tea Party is not and has never been concerned with race in any form or fashion, or any other social issue for that matter. The Tea Party has three goals and three goals only: To rein in a runaway government and restore fiscal integrity; to restore Constitutional integrity and principles including respect for unalienable rights and individual liberty; and to begin rolling back the national debt.

Really? Here is a photo of Dale Robertson, Tea Party activist and founder of Tea Party.org. http://www.indecisionforever.com/blog/2010/01/05/heres-the-latest-crazy-teabagger-photo-scandal A picture is worth a thousand words!

 

[Foxfyre]

I was very enthused when I first heard about the Tea Party, but feel it has gotten lost in all the rhetoric about race. Now, as a white, I think we have been taking a lot of crap from the third world that is unjustified. But, how do you have an organization that represents the interest of white America without being labeled racist?

Look for example at illegal immigration. 82% of illegals come from south of our border, and happen to be brown skinned. But as soon as you attack illegal aliens as an economic drain you are branded a "racist." We are talking about an economic issue for God sake, not a racial one. They love to paint anything that would hurt illegals with a human rights brush, and that quite simply is bull. Yet if someone stands up and says "Asia for Asians," that is OK.

We whites need a good advertising agency to tell our story and avoid the pitfalls of racism. And this #OWS movement? We damn well better be out there recruiting too. Traditional America has a story to tell, and needs to be represented. This is not a partisan political situation, it is an American one.

If you have left the Tea Party because of racial matters, you have bought into the exact rhetoric with the exact effect the Obama supporters wanted you to believe. They hope to sucker as many people into that concept as they can. With a surrogate media on their side, it is easy for those who don't do their homework to get sucked in.

The Tea Party is not and has never been concerned with race in any form or fashion, or any other social issue for that matter. The Tea Party has three goals and three goals only: To rein in a runaway government and restore fiscal integrity; to restore Constitutional integrity and principles including respect for unalienable rights and individual liberty; and to begin rolling back the national debt.

Really? Here is a photo of Dale Robertson, Tea Party activist and founder of Tea Party.org. Here's the Latest Crazy Teabagger Photo Scandal | Indecision Blog | Political Humor | Comedy Central's Indecision A picture is worth a thousand words!

That photo has been debunked many times over. You won't find it on any Tea Party site or anything like it on any legitimate Tea Party site or at any Tea Party rally. At least that is brought by anybody associated with the Tea Party . You will find it on websites designed to try to destroy the Teaparty.

We have had maybe a half dozen Tea Party folk show up at rallies with signs that we thought were not appropriate at a Tea Party rally--though none so offensive as what you find from the Left--and we asked them to put them away and they did. We had a few other folks show up at rally with incendiary signs that refused to put them away, refused to identify themselves, and who were known to nobody there. They did their damndest to get in front of TV cameras though. And once the media left, so did they.

You can draw your own conclusions.

A little naivete can be forgiven; can even be cute.

A false naiveta is not cute.

And this line of discussion is off topic as per the OP.

 

[Rozman]

Obama has offered 4.1 TRILLION in cuts and Boehner and Pubs ran for the hills. He also wants to tax (ONLY) the bloated rich. You are totally duped.

Screwing with the Debt Limit only caused a a four month stall in the recovery and a rating cut. BAD GOVERNMENT by brainwashed a-holes.

Obama has offered 4.1 TRILLION in cuts and Boehner and Pubs ran for the hills. He also wants to tax (ONLY) the bloated rich. You are totally duped.

Asswipe Democrats wanna go after anyone making over $250k
that is a far cry from being rich...
A husband and wife both professionals working in NYC are the latest to be attacked
in the class warfare being done by the Libs.

 

[Foxfyre]

The topc of this thread was Joe Biden's accusation that it was the Tea Party in the House that has prevented President Obama from getting anything done.

 

[AquaAthena]

According to Joe Biden, the economy would be fixed if it just hadn't been for that nasty old Tea Party. (Presumably we would also have a chicken in every pot, a car in every garage, the millionaires would have been humbled, corporate welfare would be ended, and everybody would be healthy, wealthy, and wise too??????)

Vice President Joe Biden admitted to a group of supporters in New Hampshire this afternoon that the President would have been able help the economy "much, more" if the Tea Party hadn't taken the House.

Biden showed the audience the Obama campaigns chart of job growth during the President's first term in office and accused the Tea Party for stalling the recovery, because of the debt limit fight.
Biden: Tea Party stopped us from growing economy | Campaign 2012 | Washington Examiner

Of course we dont want to mention the two years that President Obama had a super majority in the Senate, a healthy majority in the House for his first two years while he ran up trillion dollar plus deficits and passed a healthcare bill that now a large majority of Americans want repealed and the Supreme Court will probably declare unconstitutional. And he didn't do a damn thing to fix the economy.

Darn that Biden!!! He just can't keep his facts straight! He took the blame from Bush and put it squarely onto the Tea Partiers efforts. Tsk...tsk...that guy!

 

[Zander]

Biden is the gift that keeps on giving! Please do continue Joe.....

 

[Catalist]

If you have left the Tea Party because of racial matters, you have bought into the exact rhetoric with the exact effect the Obama supporters wanted you to believe. They hope to sucker as many people into that concept as they can. With a surrogate media on their side, it is easy for those who don't do their homework to get sucked in.

The Tea Party is not and has never been concerned with race in any form or fashion, or any other social issue for that matter. The Tea Party has three goals and three goals only: To rein in a runaway government and restore fiscal integrity; to restore Constitutional integrity and principles including respect for unalienable rights and individual liberty; and to begin rolling back the national debt.

Really? Here is a photo of Dale Robertson, Tea Party activist and founder of Tea Party.org. Here's the Latest Crazy Teabagger Photo Scandal | Indecision Blog | Political Humor | Comedy Central's Indecision A picture is worth a thousand words!

That photo has been debunked many times over. You won't find it on any Tea Party site or anything like it on any legitimate Tea Party site or at any Tea Party rally. At least that is brought by anybody associated with the Tea Party . You will find it on websites designed to try to destroy the Teaparty.

We have had maybe a half dozen Tea Party folk show up at rallies with signs that we thought were not appropriate at a Tea Party rally--though none so offensive as what you find from the Left--and we asked them to put them away and they did. We had a few other folks show up at rally with incendiary signs that refused to put them away, refused to identify themselves, and who were known to nobody there. They did their damndest to get in front of TV cameras though. And once the media left, so did they.

You can draw your own conclusions.

A little naivete can be forgiven; can even be cute.

A false naiveta is not cute.

And this line of discussion is off topic as per the OP.

I love the way you guys double down, only to lose even bigger. First, let me say, it does not matter if it is real or not. It is how it is perceived, and there are many more like it in Google. The time to "debunk: racism in the Tea Party was in 2008, and you missed that opportunity. Just another Tea Party blunder like not looking up "Teabagging" before you plastered it all over the internet. Like I say OWS is following your playbook, and learning from your mistakes. They must be doing something correctly if you are against them, and they have not even done anything yet!

Now this exact photo of Tea Party activist and founder of TeaParty.org Dale Robertson appears 48 times in 48 web sites in Google images. And, here they all are so that you can debunk them all! niggar - Google Search

Then there is this.

And, then you brought the kids into it.​

 

[Catalist]

Tell me honestly. We know your politics are serious and deeply felt, but how can you expect the American people to take your message as important when this is how you looked on television? Advertising agencies have been fired for less than this. What was your leadership thinking of? OWS sees and learns.

I think the thing that pretty much pulled me away from you was this little bit of comedy from the left, that turned the Tea Party into a national punch line. An entire political movement stalled because of poor control of the image of the movement. Again, OWS is listening, and you guys still have not turned it around. I don't know if you are even trying.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if88PgI-vfU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if88PgI-vfU[/ame]​

It is sad. I mean I really feel sorry for you. Scuttled by your own public relations. Now, going into an election what do we see? We see the president offering one legislative solution after another for the economy being turned down by Republicans/Tea Party who offer nothing of their own. Who do you think America blames for the do-nothing Congress with its 9% approval rating? Name calling is not going to get you out of this one. Everyone understands the facts.

OK, I have been a liberal. I have been an independent. I have considered conservatism. I don't see anything out there I really like. The Tea Party chased me away, I did not walk out on you. OWS, I don't know, but many Americans are at the point of "give us anything but what we have." Simply stated "America does not work and it is the fault of Wall Street and Washington. Nationalize the banks? Scary, very scary. But, if it will make the country work again, go for it. Call it Communism, Capitalism, Socialism or Hedonism, if there is a regular pay check in it America is going to take it.

 

[Foxfyre]

Rave on Catalist. You've bought into every leftwing talkiing point and propaganda gimmick out there. As an active Tea Partier myself, I KNOW what the movement is all about, how it operates, how it thinks, and I know how much it terrifies you guys on the Left because it has been effective and continues to promote power from the people instead of giving power to the government, the media, and the left wing socialists. Now that you've moved to our neck of the woods, perhaps you'll attend some of our Tea Party gatherings and rallies and will learn how badly you have been deceived.

 

[Catalist]

Rave on Catalist. You've bought into every leftwing talkiing point and propaganda gimmick out there. As an active Tea Partier myself, I KNOW what the movement is all about, how it operates, how it thinks, and I know how much it terrifies you guys on the Left because it has been effective and continues to promote power from the people instead of giving power to the government, the media, and the left wing socialists. Now that you've moved to our neck of the woods, perhaps you'll attend some of our Tea Party gatherings and rallies and will learn how badly you have been deceived.

To begin with my politics include elements of conservatism as well as liberalism. I tire quite quickly of people who can not think for themselves and expect their political party to think for them.

The facts I have pointed out above are marketing and promotionally stupid things the Tea Party has done to promote itself. The point is they turned off many average people before they even found out what the Tea Party stands for. I think their idea of bringing fiscal responsibility to government was a good one. I think being associated with Grover Norquist and refusing to compromise will not only cost them this election, but could collapse their movement. After all who the hell is Grover Norquist? When you offend independent, centerist voters like me, the end is near.

Neither Republicans or Democrats looked very bright during the debt ceiling talks, but Barry Obama won that fight by being willing to compromise. Tea Party Republicans lost as inflexible and impractical. Many see the Tea Party as wasting government's time.

OWS may have it's problems, but the idea of voting all incumbents out works for many Americans. Democrats had from 2008-2010 to make things happen, and failed. The Republicans have had from 2010 to the present, and have not offered a viable economic solution to the middle class. Dump them all. Vote incumbents out. That will make the message of the average voter this year. We don't want any of you.

I am not the left. I am not terrified. OWS is a real grass roots effort, the Tea Party is an incompetent concoction of Dick Armey and the right. Guys like me are not going to put up with any more of your temper tantrums, "my way or the highway" indeed! You are about to be railroaded out of town.

And, "no" I am not happy about that. I thought you might have something to say. When you are gone the whole thing will go too far to the left with OWS. I will and do blame the Tea Party for being promotionally stupid, and politically naive. They did this to themselves, and lost a reasonable message in the process.

 

[mudwhistle]

Really? Here is a photo of Dale Robertson, Tea Party activist and founder of Tea Party.org. Here's the Latest Crazy Teabagger Photo Scandal | Indecision Blog | Political Humor | Comedy Central's Indecision A picture is worth a thousand words!

That photo has been debunked many times over. You won't find it on any Tea Party site or anything like it on any legitimate Tea Party site or at any Tea Party rally. At least that is brought by anybody associated with the Tea Party . You will find it on websites designed to try to destroy the Teaparty.

We have had maybe a half dozen Tea Party folk show up at rallies with signs that we thought were not appropriate at a Tea Party rally--though none so offensive as what you find from the Left--and we asked them to put them away and they did. We had a few other folks show up at rally with incendiary signs that refused to put them away, refused to identify themselves, and who were known to nobody there. They did their damndest to get in front of TV cameras though. And once the media left, so did they.

You can draw your own conclusions.

A little naivete can be forgiven; can even be cute.

A false naiveta is not cute.

And this line of discussion is off topic as per the OP.

I love the way you guys double down, only to lose even bigger. First, let me say, it does not matter if it is real or not. It is how it is perceived, and there are many more like it in Google. The time to "debunk: racism in the Tea Party was in 2008, and you missed that opportunity. Just another Tea Party blunder like not looking up "Teabagging" before you plastered it all over the internet. Like I say OWS is following your playbook, and learning from your mistakes. They must be doing something correctly if you are against them, and they have not even done anything yet!

Now this exact photo of Tea Party activist and founder of TeaParty.org Dale Robertson appears 48 times in 48 web sites in Google images. And, here they all are so that you can debunk them all! niggar - Google Search

Then there is this.

And, then you brought the kids into it.​

Guess you never heard of photo-shop.

But then again......we're not going around calling the people that destroy things and like to kill cops "fresh & new" like Pelosi did.

 

[Wiseacre]

According to Joe Biden, the economy would be fixed if it just hadn't been for that nasty old Tea Party. (Presumably we would also have a chicken in every pot, a car in every garage, the millionaires would have been humbled, corporate welfare would be ended, and everybody would be healthy, wealthy, and wise too??????)

Vice President Joe Biden admitted to a group of supporters in New Hampshire this afternoon that the President would have been able help the economy "much, more" if the Tea Party hadn't taken the House.

Biden showed the audience the Obama campaigns chart of job growth during the President's first term in office and accused the Tea Party for stalling the recovery, because of the debt limit fight.
Biden: Tea Party stopped us from growing economy | Campaign 2012 | Washington Examiner

Of course we dont want to mention the two years that President Obama had a super majority in the Senate, a healthy majority in the House for his first two years while he ran up trillion dollar plus deficits and passed a healthcare bill that now a large majority of Americans want repealed and the Supreme Court will probably declare unconstitutional. And he didn't do a damn thing to fix the economy.

IMHO Joe Biden is a loud-mouthed idiot and a buffoon, a party hack who can't keep his foot out of his mouth. That debt limit fight, the way I heard it Obama and Boehner had a deal until Obama tried to sweeten his side of it.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Only those who file for unemployment insurance are counted in the official government unemployment numbers. Those who have exhausted their benefits, who have given up, or who are severely underemployed just to get a little cash in hand are not counted in the offical unemployment numbers. Which is why the real unemplyment figures are often as much as double or even more than the official unemplyment figure.

And your source for that is????
Let's look at facts:
Employment Situation Technical Note
Emphasis mine.

Or if you had looked at How the Government Measure Unemployment

Some people think that to get these figures on unemployment, the Government uses the number of persons filing claims for unemployment insurance (UI) benefits under State or Federal Government programs. But some people are still jobless when their benefits run out, and many more are not eligible at all or delay or never apply for benefits. So, quite clearly, UI information cannot be used as a source for complete information on the number of unemployed. ...
Because unemployment insurance records relate only to persons who have applied for such benefits, and since it is impractical to actually count every unemployed person each month, the Government conducts a monthly sample survey called the Current Population Survey (CPS) to measure the extent of unemployment in the country. The CPS has been conducted in the United States every month since 1940, when it began as a Work Projects Administration project.

Unemployment Insurance benefits HAVE NEVER EVER BEEN USED TO DETERMINE OFFICIAL UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBERS.

And yes, apparently I do have to shout since I myself end up stating this every month, other people state it, and 3 minutes of research would have told you it.

Okay you're right and I stand corrected. I was thinking of the new cliams filed that comes out every week.

So after looking at the data a bit, it seems that our government determines the unemployment rate by polling 60,000 households? I've never been polled about that. Nobody I know has ever been polled about that.

Do you trust the numbers that the government then feeds us?

Fuck! You are hard fucking headed,

 

[The T]

Tell me honestly. We know your politics are serious and deeply felt, but how can you expect the American people to take your message as important when this is how you looked on television? Advertising agencies have been fired for less than this. What was your leadership thinking of? OWS sees and learns.

I think the thing that pretty much pulled me away from you was this little bit of comedy from the left, that turned the Tea Party into a national punch line. An entire political movement stalled because of poor control of the image of the movement. Again, OWS is listening, and you guys still have not turned it around. I don't know if you are even trying.

Bill Maher BECOMES a Teabagger - 4/23/10 - YouTube​

It is sad. I mean I really feel sorry for you. Scuttled by your own public relations. Now, going into an election what do we see? We see the president offering one legislative solution after another for the economy being turned down by Republicans/Tea Party who offer nothing of their own. Who do you think America blames for the do-nothing Congress with its 9% approval rating? Name calling is not going to get you out of this one. Everyone understands the facts.

OK, I have been a liberal. I have been an independent. I have considered conservatism. I don't see anything out there I really like. The Tea Party chased me away, I did not walk out on you. OWS, I don't know, but many Americans are at the point of "give us anything but what we have." Simply stated "America does not work and it is the fault of Wall Street and Washington. Nationalize the banks? Scary, very scary. But, if it will make the country work again, go for it. Call it Communism, Capitalism, Socialism or Hedonism, if there is a regular pay check in it America is going to take it.

Look on Television? IS that your yardstick you ignorant fuck?

Cult of personality Acolyte are you?

These people are hurting because of this government and this president, and YOU are so ahshamed of how they look in professing thier beliefs?

REALLY?

NEG REPPED.

*ASSHOLE*

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Nevermind, it's been covered.

 

[pinqy]

Nevermind, it's been covered.

That was quick, I was responding to point out your error... Some people do learn.

 

[mudwhistle]

Tell me honestly. We know your politics are serious and deeply felt, but how can you expect the American people to take your message as important when this is how you looked on television? Advertising agencies have been fired for less than this. What was your leadership thinking of? OWS sees and learns.

I think the thing that pretty much pulled me away from you was this little bit of comedy from the left, that turned the Tea Party into a national punch line. An entire political movement stalled because of poor control of the image of the movement. Again, OWS is listening, and you guys still have not turned it around. I don't know if you are even trying.

Bill Maher BECOMES a Teabagger - 4/23/10 - YouTube​

It is sad. I mean I really feel sorry for you. Scuttled by your own public relations. Now, going into an election what do we see? We see the president offering one legislative solution after another for the economy being turned down by Republicans/Tea Party who offer nothing of their own. Who do you think America blames for the do-nothing Congress with its 9% approval rating? Name calling is not going to get you out of this one. Everyone understands the facts.

OK, I have been a liberal. I have been an independent. I have considered conservatism. I don't see anything out there I really like. The Tea Party chased me away, I did not walk out on you. OWS, I don't know, but many Americans are at the point of "give us anything but what we have." Simply stated "America does not work and it is the fault of Wall Street and Washington. Nationalize the banks? Scary, very scary. But, if it will make the country work again, go for it. Call it Communism, Capitalism, Socialism or Hedonism, if there is a regular pay check in it America is going to take it.

So you can relate more to people that have to wear masks to keep from being arrested after committing crimes? That's kind of odd.

The Tea Party is full of Americans that don't always look cool and aren't all on the same page. Many of them didn't know that when Obama called them teabaggers he was calling them a bunch of ball-sack suckers. I guess not all of them are wired into San Francisco's perverted slang. You see, it's one thing to hang a tea bag from your hat....but quite another to call someone a teabagger, especially when you knew what you were saying was an insult. This same person that was spotted several times flipping people off while giving speeches but covering it up like it was an innocent scratch of the nose.

 

[Catalist]

That photo has been debunked many times over. You won't find it on any Tea Party site or anything like it on any legitimate Tea Party site or at any Tea Party rally. At least that is brought by anybody associated with the Tea Party . You will find it on websites designed to try to destroy the Teaparty.

We have had maybe a half dozen Tea Party folk show up at rallies with signs that we thought were not appropriate at a Tea Party rally--though none so offensive as what you find from the Left--and we asked them to put them away and they did. We had a few other folks show up at rally with incendiary signs that refused to put them away, refused to identify themselves, and who were known to nobody there. They did their damndest to get in front of TV cameras though. And once the media left, so did they.

You can draw your own conclusions.

A little naivete can be forgiven; can even be cute.

A false naiveta is not cute.

And this line of discussion is off topic as per the OP.

I love the way you guys double down, only to lose even bigger. First, let me say, it does not matter if it is real or not. It is how it is perceived, and there are many more like it in Google. The time to "debunk: racism in the Tea Party was in 2008, and you missed that opportunity. Just another Tea Party blunder like not looking up "Teabagging" before you plastered it all over the internet. Like I say OWS is following your playbook, and learning from your mistakes. They must be doing something correctly if you are against them, and they have not even done anything yet!

Now this exact photo of Tea Party activist and founder of TeaParty.org Dale Robertson appears 48 times in 48 web sites in Google images. And, here they all are so that you can debunk them all! niggar - Google Search

Then there is this.

And, then you brought the kids into it.​

Guess you never heard of photo-shop.

But then again......we're not going around calling the people that destroy things and like to kill cops "fresh & new" like Pelosi did.

Got to tell you. As an independent who has voted both parties, OWS looks better than Democrats, Republicans or Tea Party. You guys have not figured out that it is people like me who voted Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama that will decide this election, and you idiots choose to insult me. Just keep it up! The more Tea Partiers demonize OWS, the more interest you generate.

You guys trot out your tired arguments from the same old playbook, and don't realize we indys have heard it all before. You offer nothing new. OWS is happening, anything action could occur with their convention this year! We just want to see incumbents lose. I may throw my away to the Green Party, just to put someone like Roseanne Barr in the White House who is not bought and paid for like the rest of the clowns. My God that woman would kick ass because she does not give a sh*t what anyone thinks. The stories of her temper tantrums on the set of her television show were constantly in the tabloids. Imagine that on the floor of Congress! Can you picture anything funnier than Obama Democrats crying with the Tea Party on election eve 2012! A dream come true!

The other night U. S. Senator Bernie Sanders was asked why the U. S. Senate does not make Wall Street bankers tow the line on regulation. Sanders replied, "You have it wrong, the U. S. Senate answers to the Wall Street Bankers." That was enough for me!

An insane candidate for POTUS? Nothing special. Look around at who has run in 2012.​

 

[mudwhistle]

I love the way you guys double down, only to lose even bigger. First, let me say, it does not matter if it is real or not. It is how it is perceived, and there are many more like it in Google. The time to "debunk: racism in the Tea Party was in 2008, and you missed that opportunity. Just another Tea Party blunder like not looking up "Teabagging" before you plastered it all over the internet. Like I say OWS is following your playbook, and learning from your mistakes. They must be doing something correctly if you are against them, and they have not even done anything yet!

Now this exact photo of Tea Party activist and founder of TeaParty.org Dale Robertson appears 48 times in 48 web sites in Google images. And, here they all are so that you can debunk them all! niggar - Google Search

Then there is this.

And, then you brought the kids into it.​

Guess you never heard of photo-shop.

But then again......we're not going around calling the people that destroy things and like to kill cops "fresh & new" like Pelosi did.

Got to tell you. As an independent who has voted both parties, OWS looks better than Democrats, Republicans or Tea Party. You guys have not figured out that it is people like me who voted Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama that will decide this election, and you idiots choose to insult me. Just keep it up! The more Tea Partiers demonize OWS, the more interest you generate.

You guys trot out your tired arguments from the same old playbook, and don't realize we indys have heard it all before. You offer nothing new. OWS is happening, anything action could occur with their convention this year! We just want to see incumbents lose. I may throw my away to the Green Party, just to put someone like Roseanne Barr in the White House who is not bought and paid for like the rest of the clowns. My God that woman would kick ass because she does not give a sh*t what anyone thinks. The stories of her temper tantrums on the set of her television show were constantly in the tabloids. Imagine that on the floor of Congress! Can you picture anything funnier than Obama Democrats crying with the Tea Party on election eve 2012! A dream come true!

The other night U. S. Senator Bernie Sanders was asked why the U. S. Senate does not make Wall Street bankers tow the line on regulation. Sanders replied, "You have it wrong, the U. S. Senate answers to the Wall Street Bankers." That was enough for me!

An insane candidate for POTUS? Nothing special. Look around at who has run in 2012.​

Problem with your fallacious argument is we don't use a playbook. We use the truth and something one can't be using to believe that kind of propaganda......common-sense.

If you want to relate to me that the OWS is a better example to us than the Tea Party I have to call Bull Shit. Nobody in their right mind would believe you. Nobody.

The OWS isn't happening. They're a retread from the 60s without any real passion or cause. You have to pay half of them to show up.

And anyone who thinks Rosanne Barr would make a good leader has taken leave of their senses.

What's your ID? Catalist????

Truthmatters, rdean, Sallow, you're all the same animal. Off your fucken rockers.