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    Posted on Drudge is a developing story about the further abuse of Iraqi prisoners, including severe beatings, rapes of both women and young boys, and defiling corpses.

    While I know that nobody is condoning these acts I'm sure that everybody can see the need for swift public punishment of all those involved, right?

    Further, Considering that a small percentage of the forces is all thats involved with this surely you can see how this is devastating to our cause and could quite literally destroy it beyond repair.

    We may have already lost the country due to a couple of units lack of moral fiber and complete antipathy to human nature. What a betrayal of our country.
     
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    It's still just the acts of a few. Liberals spreading the notion that this is commonplace is what will destroy our efforts in Iraq.
     
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    DK I'm sure you're well aware that Drudge tends to be a bit of a muckraker who publishes first and researches later. Drudge posted the fake picture of fonda and kerry. Drudge posted the story about kerry and an intern.

    Let's hope that these photos turn out to have the same level of credibility as many other things Drudge has published.

    If they turn out to be genuine, we might as well pick up our marbles and go home. I doubt that swift punishment of those responsible for such acts would make any difference to moslems and the only thing we would accomplish by remaining is to get more of our people killed.

    Regardless, I'm looking forward to the pullout deadline so that we can leave this pesthole to the owners and let them murder each other for a change.
     
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    our efforts are already destroyed. nobody quite yet understands the differences between the guilt culture and the shame culture.

    These are not just the acts of 6 or 10 either. To have this much activity require more than just a 'few'. Realistically, we are talking at least a whole unit that knew about it, probably half who participated and thats not including the private contractors. An estimation on my part would peg it at about 30 people who actually comitted the crimes. The rest are culpable as contributing accessories for keeping their mouths shut.
     
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    Oh - just a side note.

    Is it just me, or did it get really stupid, vulgar and obnoxious in here since the arrival of the arachnoid windbag?

    And when are you guys going to pull the plug on that jackass?
     
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    He is a windbag for sure, but has complied to the rules. No need to be rid of him yet.
     
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    Bingo!
     
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    The liberals think they have their new whipping boy and can attack Bush by attacking Rumsfeld (who did excellant at the congressional hearings). I would like to know who is leading the public republican offensive. Someone needs to be out there to be willing to expose this liberal offensive for what it is and put it in context ! While the abuse is horrible and indefensible there are numerous approaches to get this issue sized down to its proportionate import. Where are the conservatives who are publicly respected enough to get the medias attention and do the "dirty" work that a candidate can't get away with. Is the media so powerful that they are beyond harsh criticism? Why will they feel the need to publish further pictures of abuse. Doesn't this just FURTHER EXACERBATE the embarrassment already incurred by Iraqi prisoner? The informed public can read of abuse and use their imaginations. Not showing pictures is not a cover up! It's giving Iraqis the same repect our press gave our soldiers in the Blackhawk Down incident. Isn't this just using the plight of Iraqis to sell papers and further the liberal "cause". I thought liberals were against pouring salt on the wounds of the oppressed. This fight can easily be won with a strong point man and it can be easily lost by being defensive and submissive due to OVERLY assuming the guilt of a few. STAY THE COURSE!

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    I hope this is not true,but if it is that's baaad news. I was a skeptic of the pounding the Pentagon was getting for the other stuff,because I really did not see it as torture. Rape should never be condoned,and I hope this didn't happen.
    The initial stories with the naked pics that were out didn't bother me so much,in the fact that they hate our culture,and I don't know why we should respect theirs (those that were fighting us,not the good people of Iraq).
    I am left wondering,if the people of Iraq that are on our side,care about those men that were "shamed".

    Maybe if this is true,and I'm not condoning anything,our soldiers are just really full of anger over some of the stuff that has happened to our guys. They have been over there a long time and are probably just sick and tired and angry.I don't know,I think they should be rotating them more or something. I do believe however,that when stuff this bad happens to Americans,it spends waaaay less time on the news.
     
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    another one who does not understand the difference between shame culture and guilt culture.

    the pictures are irrelevant. the only body of people that these pictures affect are the west and the euro's. The east and middle east have already been affected by the initial abuse, humiliation, and shame and the pictures will not increase that.
     

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