Now that Obama's Killed Osama

[CrusaderFrank]

Just because he was unarmed doesn't mean he wasn't a potential threat. He refused to surrender and if given the opportunity would of taken a couple Seals with him. I suppose it would of been okay if the Seals allowed him to grab a gun and start shooting at them before killing him Frank?

You realize none of what you wrote made a single lick of sense, right? O Sensei was the only unarmed individual the Seals would have to worry about.

He should have been taken alive. Period. He was supposedly the highest value terrorist on the planet.

How do we know if he was planning something else big, because we have his goat porn on his computer?

If he's reaching for a gun, wound him (there's not a single report that says he was (and since you're making stuff up, why not just say he was going to fire a howitzer at the SEAL team?)), but bring him in alive!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I think this thread is completely dishonest on the part of Frank's. Especially since he is making the assumption that UBL wasn't a threat despite being unarmed.

Also, he's ignoring the firefight that lasted over an hour I believe that got the Seals to the point where Bin Laden was. It's not as if the SEALS simply waltzed in there, plugged Bin Laden while he was going to the bathroom, and left.

Think whatever the fuck you want but don't speak for me. I said quite clearly what I thought, just deal with it

 

[HUGGY]

Now that Obama's Killed Osama

You can go back to tryin to get Joe McCarthy on Mt. Rushmore?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

We can't torture Terrorists for information, but we can shoot unarmed men in the face?

You dumb ass. Bin Laden masterminded the murder of 3000 Americans on American soil. He was killed during a firefight. The only way that he should not have been shot on sight was if he was face down on the ground with his hands behind his head. Since he was shot in the face, he was not that.

I really believe you pathetic fruitcakes would rather see this nation come to harm, than see President Obama achieve what he stated he would do in his Presidential Campaign. Give it up. Almost all Americans view Bin Ladens death as a good thing, and a plus for the President.

Police Arrest Mastermind of September 11, 2001 Attack on the United States
September 11 News.com - Khalid Shaikh Mohammed - 9/11 Al-Qaeda Mastermind Captured in Pakistan.

 

[The Gadfly]

Good Lord. Here I am, actually agreeing with Zona and Geaux. Even more amazing, is that this is about the third time just today. That's it; hell has officially frozen over! That is a sure sigh the apocalypse is upon us, if you ask me. What a crazy couple of days!

 

[KissMy]

You got a copy of those orders, Frank? Seems you're talking out your ass again about stuff of which you have no knowledge. Par for the course though. We see it all the time in the AGW debate.

One of the accounts said Osama was unarmed. If so, why shoot an unarmed man, especially a man who should have been captured alive at all costs?

Second, the day you find one single repeatable laboratory experiment showing how a 200PPM increase in CO2 raises temperature, melts ice caps and spawn will be the last day I ever talk about AGW. Don't derail the thread.

There was no reason to take him alive. Or, at least, certainly not to let the world know that we'd taken him alive. The last thing we want is for this administration to try this guy in court. Best thing, send him to Allah... there is no intel value to someone like Osama. But there is intel to be had, and we have that.

Dead was the best option.

It was said by One of Obama's war room council that that was the one thing that everyone agreed on unanimously was that Osama should be killed & buried at sea.

I would have preferred beheading him while still alive, covering his body in pig guts, dumping it at sea & bringing his head back on a stick out of public view for any 9/11 victim & family wanting to privately spit & piss on it. Then let them privately burn it with no photos to give them closure.

 

[freedombecki]

Can someone explain to me why is it the SEAL Team was under orders to execute the unarmed highest value source of Terrorist information on the planet? If, in fact UBL was unarmed as one of he several different version of the raid suggest, why kill him?

Also, would be at all appropriate for Obama to use footage from his Ground Zero "I Killed Osama" Victory Tour for his reelection campaign, (assuming he in fact does get the nomination)?

And finally, UBL is dead, now what? Is the GWOT, er I mean the Overseas Contingency Plan to attack people who perpetrate Manmade Disasters now over?

Because Carter got canned for not freeing the hostages in Iran, and Reagan garnered plaudits for the hostages being freed on his watch. Obama spin room figures the campaign pledge was kept plus a terrorist mastermind was sent to his death as he sent hundreds of others for murdering nearly three thousand civilian Americans on 9/11.

Also, who do the Conservatives have to run for president who can beat a guy who kept his campaign pledge that proves he provided for the common defense?

Also, Democrats have suffered mightily for constant assaults upon the American military. The thinking could be they wish to soften the edge and deliver medals of freedom to military voters who used to vote straight Republican tickets.

It's brilliant, politically, if it works. It cuts off at the knees that far-left-Obama-hires-commies complaints coming from the far right.

Spin can be effective with American voters, however. The best surrebuttal the right has will be to scrutinize Obama's voting shenanigans during his Senate days.

I truly had to detach myself to follow the trail of what the upcoming election will be about.

The right has its work cut out for itself. It might also consider paying more attention to districts suspected of voter fraud prior to the ACORN disbandment into splinter groups doing the same thing. If the right cannot get a majority in the Senate and keep its majority in the House, it will be virtually impossible to monitor the present system where thousands of "uncounted" votes come out of nowhere by party poll magistrates that completely change a close election's outcome.

If the right cannot control this arterial bleed of leftist voter mischief, it will not win another election for a long time to come. At stake is whether we remain a democratic republic or government-by-fraud, handing over power to cheats.

 

[syrenn]

Can someone explain to me why is it the SEAL Team was under orders to execute the unarmed highest value source of Terrorist information on the planet? If, in fact UBL was unarmed as one of he several different version of the raid suggest, why kill him?

Also, would be at all appropriate for Obama to use footage from his Ground Zero "I Killed Osama" Victory Tour for his reelection campaign, (assuming he in fact does get the nomination)?

And finally, UBL is dead, now what? Is the GWOT, er I mean the Overseas Contingency Plan to attack people who perpetrate Manmade Disasters now over?

When you have a kill shot you take it.

 

[Zander]

They had to kill him. They know their entire policy of "jury trials" for terrorist is a sham. It would expose liberal hypocrisy for everyone to see. Killing him avoids all those questions.

 

[martybegan]

We had his hard drives? Fucking seriously? That's Intel? You had the guy!!!! His hard drives are gravy after that

A hard drive cannot refuse to cooperate

A hard drive cannot lie

A hard drive will not result in others being taken hostage unless it is released

A hard drive does not need a trial

Documents and data are far better than a live person.

 

[strollingbones]

We can't torture Terrorists for information, but we can shoot unarmed men in the face?

okay lets draw a bullmal line in the sand here....

cf we did not shoot anyone......

obama did not shoot anyone.....

he simply did not resist the actions of the men going in to do this job...there were no sillie ass rules of engagement...

it is one thing to question the political motives of those in charge....its another to question what happened when the seals went in...to question the actions of these brave men willing to give their all...they had no clue none of them would die...not did they?

if the seal who shot osama said....i didnt like the way he looked at me...that would just be enough for me....again cf some men simply deserve to die

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Can someone explain to me why is it the SEAL Team was under orders to execute the unarmed highest value source of Terrorist information on the planet? If, in fact UBL was unarmed as one of he several different version of the raid suggest, why kill him?

Also, would be at all appropriate for Obama to use footage from his Ground Zero "I Killed Osama" Victory Tour for his reelection campaign, (assuming he in fact does get the nomination)?

And finally, UBL is dead, now what? Is the GWOT, er I mean the Overseas Contingency Plan to attack people who perpetrate Manmade Disasters now over?

When you have a kill shot you take it.

The guy who has been billed as One of the Greatest Criminal Masterminds in Human History and could have been spending the last several years planning his next attack...yeah? You just kill him without a thought for what he might have been working on lately?

None of that sounds right to me.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We had his hard drives? Fucking seriously? That's Intel? You had the guy!!!! His hard drives are gravy after that

A hard drive cannot refuse to cooperate

A hard drive cannot lie

A hard drive will not result in others being taken hostage unless it is released

A hard drive does not need a trial

Documents and data are far better than a live person.

And bin Laden trusted McAfee AntiVirus to keep the US Government from accessing his next attack safely stored in the "Goat Porn" folder.

AQ knows their electronics were compromised a decade ago, if you think they trusted their phones and computers you are naive at best

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We can't torture Terrorists for information, but we can shoot unarmed men in the face?

okay lets draw a bullmal line in the sand here....

cf we did not shoot anyone......

obama did not shoot anyone.....

he simply did not resist the actions of the men going in to do this job...there were no sillie ass rules of engagement...

it is one thing to question the political motives of those in charge....its another to question what happened when the seals went in...to question the actions of these brave men willing to give their all...they had no clue none of them would die...not did they?

if the seal who shot osama said....i didnt like the way he looked at me...that would just be enough for me....again cf some men simply deserve to die

Again and again and again...he was supposedly the greatest terrorist mastermind in human history. Whatever he was planning died with him.

WHY?

Why take a chance on losing that information?

 

[martybegan]

We had his hard drives? Fucking seriously? That's Intel? You had the guy!!!! His hard drives are gravy after that

A hard drive cannot refuse to cooperate

A hard drive cannot lie

A hard drive will not result in others being taken hostage unless it is released

A hard drive does not need a trial

Documents and data are far better than a live person.

And bin Laden trusted McAfee AntiVirus to keep the US Government from accessing his next attack safely stored in the "Goat Porn" folder.

AQ knows their electronics were compromised a decade ago, if you think they trusted their phones and computers you are naive at best

These were unlinked computers, not connected to any network or internet access. They were basically hackproof as they had no outside connection.

If the information we want was anywhere, it was here. This was the one facility they considered safe.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

A hard drive cannot refuse to cooperate

A hard drive cannot lie

A hard drive will not result in others being taken hostage unless it is released

A hard drive does not need a trial

Documents and data are far better than a live person.

And bin Laden trusted McAfee AntiVirus to keep the US Government from accessing his next attack safely stored in the "Goat Porn" folder.

AQ knows their electronics were compromised a decade ago, if you think they trusted their phones and computers you are naive at best

These were unlinked computers, not connected to any network or internet access. They were basically hackproof as they had no outside connection.

If the information we want was anywhere, it was here. This was the one facility they considered safe.

Assuming UBL actually stored his next attack on that computer, that's wonderful.

If he didn't, oopsies.

If he's really the Terrorist Mastermind he was supposed to be, why take a chance on letting his next plan die with him?

 

[Ravi]

They had to kill him. They know their entire policy of "jury trials" for terrorist is a sham. It would expose liberal hypocrisy for everyone to see. Killing him avoids all those questions.

Don't make me neg you.

 

[martybegan]

And bin Laden trusted McAfee AntiVirus to keep the US Government from accessing his next attack safely stored in the "Goat Porn" folder.

AQ knows their electronics were compromised a decade ago, if you think they trusted their phones and computers you are naive at best

These were unlinked computers, not connected to any network or internet access. They were basically hackproof as they had no outside connection.

If the information we want was anywhere, it was here. This was the one facility they considered safe.

Assuming UBL actually stored his next attack on that computer, that's wonderful.

If he didn't, oopsies.

If he's really the Terrorist Mastermind he was supposed to be, why take a chance on letting his next plan die with him?

I'm less concerned about plans, and more concerned about who he was talking to. The real intel is his contact list. We get to see who he was talking to in what governments, and that is the real information we want. Some governments will give up alot of people/info to prevent that data from ever reaching the light of day.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

These were unlinked computers, not connected to any network or internet access. They were basically hackproof as they had no outside connection.

If the information we want was anywhere, it was here. This was the one facility they considered safe.

Assuming UBL actually stored his next attack on that computer, that's wonderful.

If he didn't, oopsies.

If he's really the Terrorist Mastermind he was supposed to be, why take a chance on letting his next plan die with him?

I'm less concerned about plans, and more concerned about who he was talking to. The real intel is his contact list. We get to see who he was talking to in what governments, and that is the real information we want. Some governments will give up alot of people/info to prevent that data from ever reaching the light of day.

Less concerned about the plans of the guy who was behind 9/11?

Do you want to reread what you wrote and mull it over a little?

If I were in the Intel Community, that's ALL I would care about -- what's he thinking about? What is he working on? That all died with him

 

[Zander]

They had to kill him. They know their entire policy of "jury trials" for terrorist is a sham. It would expose liberal hypocrisy for everyone to see. Killing him avoids all those questions.

Don't make me neg you.

I am still in afterglow .....so let's keep this party polite!!

Seriously though, it's a really sticky situation for Obama. The reasons for killing him rather than capturing him were strictly political and a "jury trial" is only one of the myriad problems that Obama would have faced. Imagine that long faced wretch getting face time on TV every day for 2 years while he lawyered up and went through the US court system?? Can you see the 24/7 news media foaming at the mouth? Imagine if they didn't give him a "jury trial" as Holder and Obama both insisted was "the right thing to do" for terrorists?? How would that effect his re-election prospects with his base? He'd have a lot of "splainin" to do!

Either way an 'alive' OBL is a loser for team Obama and for the American people. Normal Americans instinctively now that terrorists do not deserve "jury trials", Obama knows it too, that's why they killed the pig instead of captured him.