Now Over 1 Million Dead In Iraq

[freedombecki]

Blame the West and the USA

The poor simple peace loving Iraqis needed a dictator to keep them happy and we all got rid of that dictator.

Shame on the West and the USA

Iraq conflict has killed a million Iraqis: survey


"LONDON (Reuters) - More than one million Iraqis have died as a result of the conflict in their country since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, according to research conducted by one of Britain's leading polling groups.

The survey, conducted by Opinion Research Business (ORB) with 2,414 adults in face-to-face interviews, found that 20 percent of people had had at least one death in their household as a result of the conflict, rather than natural causes."

Iraq conflict has killed a million Iraqis: survey

Sherri

Shame on liars in the infotainment press for perpetrating calumny against my nation.

 

[Billo_Really]

You mean.....the population polls of Iraqis during Saddam's Rule did not reveal any level of violence?




Never stop being A Tool, loinboy.

Not at the level that went on after the invasion.

 

[Samson]

You mean.....the population polls of Iraqis during Saddam's Rule did not reveal any level of violence?




Never stop being A Tool, loinboy.

Not at the level that went on after the invasion.

proof?



Its good that you're taking my advice.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

You mean.....the population polls of Iraqis during Saddam's Rule did not reveal any level of violence?




Never stop being A Tool, loinboy.

Not at the level that went on after the invasion.

proof?



Its good that you're taking my advice.

We have proof the US caused over 1 million deaths. I have seen no proof of anything from you about deaths Saddam caused. Oh, and I think the US caused another million or so deaths in Iraq through sanctions, we really must not forget about that either. Sherri

 

[Ernie S.]

What else is new? muslims do lots of killing. Here is an interesting
stat for you-----a HIGHER PERCENTAGE of yemeni muslims own
fire-arms than americans own fire arms (in shariah shit holes
non muslims cannot own weapons-----but---well----the fact is
that in yemen there are no non muslims left--a fact that does
impact on the stats) Did you know that Yemen was once a pre-
dominantly jewish country----and later on ---christians ADDED on.
The christians left for obvious reasons-----LONG AGO---well
almost immediately co-incident with the NOBLE CAREER OF THE
RAPIST PIG OF ARABIA

Those people would be alive today if we hadn't of illegally invaded that country.

That is unless Sadam gassed them.

 

[LibertyLemming]

Not at the level that went on after the invasion.

proof?



Its good that you're taking my advice.

We have proof the US caused over 1 million deaths. I have seen no proof of anything from you about deaths Saddam caused. Oh, and I think the US caused another million or so deaths in Iraq through sanctions, we really must not forget about that either. Sherri

hehe there is tons of proof that Saddam frequently killed his own citizens. The point is irrelevant because that is an Iraqi problem not an American one.

 

[Billo_Really]

proof?



Its good that you're taking my advice.

That's not advice! It's un-substantiated blather.

 

[Billo_Really]

That is unless Sadam gassed them.

He didn't gas THAT many!

 

[elvis]

Iraq conflict has killed a million Iraqis: survey


"LONDON (Reuters) - More than one million Iraqis have died as a result of the conflict in their country since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, according to research conducted by one of Britain's leading polling groups.

The survey, conducted by Opinion Research Business (ORB) with 2,414 adults in face-to-face interviews, found that 20 percent of people had had at least one death in their household as a result of the conflict, rather than natural causes."

Iraq conflict has killed a million Iraqis: survey

Sherri

Alternatively, Saddam killed and tortured millions.

And people like Rumsfeld and Albright should have been hanged right next to him for being his accomplices.

 

[Meathead]

Peer review renders ORB's estimates grossly inflated and the fodder of dogmatic and intellectual midgets like the OP et al.

https://ojs.ub.uni-konstanz.de/srm/article/viewArticle/2373

Study reveals fundamental flaws to 2007 estimate of one million Iraqis killed

 

[Kurdistani4ever]

You mean.....the population polls of Iraqis during Saddam's Rule did not reveal any level of violence?




Never stop being A Tool, loinboy.

Not at the level that went on after the invasion.

Lol, what about the 200000 kurds? The bastard used to deport kids to the Southern Deserts of Iraq, where they eventually end up dying. Countless of thousands we're buried alive, thousands we're sent as slaves to other Arabic countries, thousands we're tortured to death, thousands we're raped and killed in front of their parents, 5000 we're killed in Halabja, with 10000 still suffering from side effects, and finally a 100000 kurdish civillians we're killed just for being kurds.

Next time think before you type such insulting things.

 

[Billo_Really]

Peer review renders ORB's estimates grossly inflated and the fodder of dogmatic and intellectual midgets like the OP et al.

https://ojs.ub.uni-konstanz.de/srm/article/viewArticle/2373

Study reveals fundamental flaws to 2007 estimate of one million Iraqis killed

Not so fast there, skippy, I've got a few issues regarding the things your expert, Michael Spagat was saying.

In your first link, he say's a whole lotta nothing!

Spagat report from your link:
We compare three ORB polls and find important irregularities in ORB's mortality data in four central governorates of Iraq that account for more than 80% of the estimated deaths. These internal validity checks indicate that the ORB mortality data are not credible and would suggest a much lower estimate than ORB has published. We also analyze a number of specific error sources in the poll. Systematic errors, which include non-coverage and measurement errors, mostly point toward overestimation. Variable errors are also substantial but they are difficult to quantify in part due to incomplete disclosure of methodological details by ORB. External validity checks, including comparisons with two much larger and higher quality surveys, reinforce the conclusion that ORB has overestimated the number killed in Iraq by a wide margin.

He uses a lot of terms, but doesn't go into detail about what they specifically are and how it is relevent to the survey.

What "three ORB polls"?
What's a "governorate"?
What does a "internal validity check" involve?
What "specific error sources"?
What is a "systematic error?
What is a "variable error"?
What is a "methodological detail"?​

He doesn't define what these terms are or be specific about their relevence.

As far as an "external validity check", another report of equal size from a very prestigious medical journal (Lancet), has similar numbers and is specific about how the survey was conducted.

Lancet report:
47 sites throughout the country were selected, each containing between 1849 households and 12,801 household members. Each household was asked about births, deaths, in-migration and out-migration between May and June 2006. When a death had occurred in a household death certificates were produced 92% of the times. The researchers did not ask household members whether the dead household members were civilians or combatants.

Of the 629 deaths reported, 87% (547) of them had happened after the invasion. This compared to 13% (82) before the invasion. The researchers concluded that the mortality rate before the invasion was 5.5 per 1000 people annually, compared to 13.3 per 1000 people after the invasion.

In your second link, but still with the same source Spagat, again he talks in double-speak with undefined terms...

Spagat report from your link:
An internal validity check of ORB data across three separate polls reveals internal contradictions indicative of compromised data collection practices which greatly exaggerate the resulting estimate (section 4 of the paper). In particular, four governorates in central Iraq account for more than 80% of ORB’s estimated one million deaths. Yet in these governorates a higher percentage of respondents report deaths of household members than report deaths of extended family members in another ORB poll conducted only six months earlier. This pattern can not be seen as credible since extended family networks are far larger than households.

WTF is he saying here?

What is an "extended family member"?​

And your other guy, Josh Dougherty, has a conflict of interest regarding his comments, because he's tied to the Iraq Body Count which is tied to the Iraqi government, which has a definate interest in keeping the death count as low as possible. The IBC is about 10% of the total deaths.

ORB and Lancet are both very credible organizations with no political affiliations whatsoever. They have no reason to lie and Lancet, in particular, is considered an expert in the field of epidimeology.

 

[Billo_Really]

Lol, what about the 200000 kurds? The bastard used to deport kids to the Southern Deserts of Iraq, where they eventually end up dying. Countless of thousands we're buried alive, thousands we're sent as slaves to other Arabic countries, thousands we're tortured to death, thousands we're raped and killed in front of their parents, 5000 we're killed in Halabja, with 10000 still suffering from side effects, and finally a 100000 kurdish civillians we're killed just for being kurds.

Next time think before you type such insulting things.

You got anything to back that shit up?

Or are you just winging it?

 

[Meathead]

Asking people how many of their extended family died in this case is obvious duplicity. In areas hardest hit by combat anywhere, but especially where extended families are common, you're going to have multiple entries for the same fatality.

It really isn't that complicated. And I did also mention that reports like this are fodder for idiots.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Asking people how many of their extended family died in this case is obvious duplicity. In areas hardest hit by combat anywhere, but especially where extended families are common, you're going to have multiple entries for the same fatality.

It really isn't that complicated. And I did also mention that reports like this are fodder for idiots.

Why am I not surprised you want us to just forget the victims when the US or her allies, like Israel, cause death? They are human beings whose lives matter, too. They are not children of a lesser God. Why dont we forget the Holocaust and pretend it did not happen? Why dont we call survivors liars and exaggeraters?

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

What else is new? muslims do lots of killing. Here is an interesting
stat for you-----a HIGHER PERCENTAGE of yemeni muslims own
fire-arms than americans own fire arms (in shariah shit holes
non muslims cannot own weapons-----but---well----the fact is
that in yemen there are no non muslims left--a fact that does
impact on the stats) Did you know that Yemen was once a pre-
dominantly jewish country----and later on ---christians ADDED on.
The christians left for obvious reasons-----LONG AGO---well
almost immediately co-incident with the NOBLE CAREER OF THE
RAPIST PIG OF ARABIA

Those people would be alive today if we hadn't of illegally invaded that country.

That is unless Sadam gassed them.

Hey, buddy, the US sent Saddam components to make that gas with. So, we are responsible f or those deaths, too. They say we even sent him a scientist from Texas to help out in the project

 

[Meathead]

Asking people how many of their extended family died in this case is obvious duplicity. In areas hardest hit by combat anywhere, but especially where extended families are common, you're going to have multiple entries for the same fatality.

It really isn't that complicated. And I did also mention that reports like this are fodder for idiots.

Why am I not surprised you want us to just forget the victims when the US or her allies, like Israel, cause death? They are human beings whose lives matter, too. They are not children of a lesser God. Why dont we forget the Holocaust and pretend it did not happen? Why dont we call survivors liars and exaggeraters?

Did you step out of a North Park skit?

 

[Desperado]

Now Over 1 Million Dead In Iraq
That news should have the NeoCons here dancing in the streets.

 

[dblack]

Iraq conflict has killed a million Iraqis: survey


"LONDON (Reuters) - More than one million Iraqis have died as a result of the conflict in their country since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, according to research conducted by one of Britain's leading polling groups.

The survey, conducted by Opinion Research Business (ORB) with 2,414 adults in face-to-face interviews, found that 20 percent of people had had at least one death in their household as a result of the conflict, rather than natural causes."

Iraq conflict has killed a million Iraqis: survey

Sherri

They hate us because we're free.

 

[Kurdistani4ever]

Lol, what about the 200000 kurds? The bastard used to deport kids to the Southern Deserts of Iraq, where they eventually end up dying. Countless of thousands we're buried alive, thousands we're sent as slaves to other Arabic countries, thousands we're tortured to death, thousands we're raped and killed in front of their parents, 5000 we're killed in Halabja, with 10000 still suffering from side effects, and finally a 100000 kurdish civillians we're killed just for being kurds.

Next time think before you type such insulting things.

You got anything to back that shit up?

Or are you just winging it?

Shit? As a kurd i know, what we have been through. I KNOW Saddam was a ruthless terrorist, and if you actually supported that guy, then know that you support the horrible killings of 4-10 year old kids.