Now Obama blames the internet for job losses

[The Rabbi]

The jobs those semi-skilled workers lost are being performed by Asians and Latin Americans today. Do you suppose the level of education is that much higher in Asia or Latin America?

The economy grows when we make things, not just buy them. A vibrant Middle Class demands steady, good paying manufacturing work. Textiles, electronics and transportation still require manufacturing. That's served as a steady and reliable gateway to socio-economic advancement for decades.

Soon, the transportation costs of manufacturing in Asia and Latin America will dwarf the savings in lower wages and lax environmental compliance and the manufacturing base might well return to America. But necessity is the Mother of Invention. Someone will figure out how to keep costs down. They certainly did with American labor.

Do factory workers make more money than engineers? I never heard so.

Not everyone has the skills of an engineer. Not everyone is interested in engineering. And why should you suppose that good, steady solid blue collar work is either unnecessary in today's economy or worth less as a personal choice at any time?

Not everyone is interested in being a bored factory worker in a deadly repetitive job either. But you claimed that we make money by making things. This is patently untrue. What did Bill Gates make?
Blue collar work is what it is. American workers are very productive, thus our higher wages. Chinese workers are unproductive, thus lower wages. But our wage scales are exaggerated by union rules, Labor Dept rules, OSHA, etc etc. Get rid of that crap and the American worker will outperform the Asian worker every time.

 

[The Rabbi]

These advancements have moved people to other (often better) jobs.

Who takes care of the hardware at the automatic checkout stands. And who writes the code for the programs. And who does the programming for the real time inventory that allows stores to better use their margins to expand which means they offer new products that are produced by people who now have jobs they didn'th have before ?

What was the question ?

So the 57 year old supermarket clerk should have gone to school to learn to code after his/her job was eliminated. Ok, makes sense.

Times change.

And BTW: Most supermarkets I shop at still have people (clerks) running the checkout lines.

What was the question ?

The question was typical lib-speak: focus on the one poor sympathetic case at the expense of everyone else.
You are right, times change. The 57 year old linotype operator had to scramble to retrain to something else. That is always the case as technology and society changes. Overall society benefits from these changes. Do you really want to be paying $5/min for long distance phone service to save operators' jobs?

 

[editec]

Obama Now Blames The Internet For Job Losses | RealClearPolitics


He is such a joke president

He's right, of course.

Technological advances, especially now thanks to computer technology, are rapidly making millions of formerly valued workers redundant.


This change is the elephant in the living room that as yet few people are willing to admit is even a problem.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

It's like saying wiring the country for electricity decreased employment. jesus! How wrong can you get?

You must not be in business.

Let's take the company I run.

2000
5 CSR's (Customer Service representatives)
7 Salespeople
3 people in the business office plus one part-timer.
5 people in pre-production.

2011
3 CSR's...at least 75% of our work now comes through our eCommerce site.
2 Salespeople...same as above.
1 person in the business office. Our front-end system has advanced to the point that about all a person has to do is enter payments and the system does the rest.
2 people in pre-production. - Automated systems has removed at least 80% of the tasks pre-production used to do.

Above is true in many, many industries.

what were your sales in 2000 vs 2011? you dont have to reveal tmi were they more or less?

Considerably more.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Obama Now Blames The Internet For Job Losses | RealClearPolitics

He is such a joke president

Careful, now.

When you Jr. High School girls venture outside your favorite teen-chat sites, you really DO need to know what you're talking about.

 

[Steelplate]

Auto checkout didn't eliminate supermarket jobs?

Pay at the pump didn't eliminate the gas station attendant?

Just curious, to where were the workers transferred?

These advancements have moved people to other (often better) jobs.

Who takes care of the hardware at the automatic checkout stands. And who writes the code for the programs. And who does the programming for the real time inventory that allows stores to better use their margins to expand which means they offer new products that are produced by people who now have jobs they didn'th have before ?

What was the question ?

Oh yeah... cause we are just rolling in good paying jobs....

 

[Cammmpbell]

Obama Now Blames The Internet For Job Losses | RealClearPolitics


He is such a joke president

Here's what caused the job losses.......the upper tier controls job creation and the whole bunch have pledged to make Obama a one term president...they're afraid a poor black family might get some of their tax dollars.

 

[Si modo]

ROTF. Another slow hate day? Blame is used yet the President didn't "Blame" anyone or thing. Another fine example of how the specious right wing echo chamber parrots useless drivel to their followers.

It's not hate. Too many are weary of his lame excuses. One would think that the man in the most responsible position there is would actually accept some of that responsibility.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Obama Now Blames The Internet For Job Losses | RealClearPolitics


He is such a joke president

Here's what caused the job losses.......the upper tier controls job creation and the whole bunch have pledged to make Obama a one term president...they're afraid a poor black family might get some of their tax dollars.

Don't you have a Gloryhole to visit, Geriatric Poseur?

 

[Listening]

Auto checkout didn't eliminate supermarket jobs?

Pay at the pump didn't eliminate the gas station attendant?

Just curious, to where were the workers transferred?

These advancements have moved people to other (often better) jobs.

Who takes care of the hardware at the automatic checkout stands. And who writes the code for the programs. And who does the programming for the real time inventory that allows stores to better use their margins to expand which means they offer new products that are produced by people who now have jobs they didn'th have before ?

What was the question ?

Oh yeah... cause we are just rolling in good paying jobs....

The question was about supplanting of jobs.

It was not economy context based.

Sorry to confuse you.

 

[Steelplate]

These advancements have moved people to other (often better) jobs.

Who takes care of the hardware at the automatic checkout stands. And who writes the code for the programs. And who does the programming for the real time inventory that allows stores to better use their margins to expand which means they offer new products that are produced by people who now have jobs they didn'th have before ?

What was the question ?

Oh yeah... cause we are just rolling in good paying jobs....

The question was about supplanting of jobs.

It was not economy context based.

Sorry to confuse you.

Ummm... note the part I Bolded

 

[Listening]

Oh yeah... cause we are just rolling in good paying jobs....

The question was about supplanting of jobs.

It was not economy context based.

Sorry to confuse you.

Ummm... note the part I Bolded

Uhhhmmmm....I saw it.

What was your question ?

 

[Steelplate]

Well, I call bullshit... many people did not move on to better jobs... they moved to the unemployment line.

 

[Si modo]

Well, I call bullshit... many people did not move on to better jobs... they moved to the unemployment line.

And, this situation - technology making folks unemployed - only just started since January 2009, right?

 

[Steelplate]

Well, I call bullshit... many people did not move on to better jobs... they moved to the unemployment line.

And, this situation - technology making folks unemployed - only just started since January 2009, right?

Didn't say it started then... but combine that with the OUTSOURCING that has taken place that serves as a money grab by huge corporations... and the results of the combination of the two is the current situation.

 

[Listening]

Well, I call bullshit... many people did not move on to better jobs... they moved to the unemployment line.

So you are saying that no technicians or programmers were needed.

I get it.

What is B***S***** phone number.

Maybe he could point you to some statistics that would support your point.

 

[Listening]

Well, I call bullshit... many people did not move on to better jobs... they moved to the unemployment line.

And, this situation - technology making folks unemployed - only just started since January 2009, right?

Didn't say it started then... but combine that with the OUTSOURCING that has taken place that serves as a money grab by huge corporations... and the results of the combination of the two is the current situation.

So you have created a counter to an argument that was never made.

Oh, the ADD tendencies of the irrational left.

 

[Steelplate]

Well, I call bullshit... many people did not move on to better jobs... they moved to the unemployment line.

So you are saying that no technicians or programmers were needed.

I get it.

What is B***S***** phone number.

Maybe he could point you to some statistics that would support your point.

wow... changing the parameters now? You didn't mention technicians or programmers before.. you just said "most"... which is a lie.

 

[Meister]

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He certainly does have a method of transferring blame, doesn't he?

 

[Ravi]

It sure isn't helping the Post Office.