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You do. Don't you see that? Don't you see that woman denying gays marriage licences is the evil sick one? Not the gays. You are sick. And people like you aren't happy in life so you need a heaven. I don't. I'm grateful I got the 45 years I have lived so far. If I die tonight I will have considered myself lucky. A lot luckier than the fetus that lived for a month and got murdered. Or the turtle who hatched out of his egg but got eaten by a seagull before he made it to the ocean. His sister made it and she will live to be 100 years old. Sucks to be that one turtle but I promise you there is no heaven for it or you.This week when encountering blacks and Muslims I extended a smile or an opening of a door as a gesture of kindness. Then some black guy was nice to me the next day. Made me realize a gay black Hispanic Muslim woman is just like me. They just want to be happy.Us Greek Orthodox don't believe you have to go through the baptism ceremony again. To be Born Again as an adult just means the day you come to believe/accept/follow Jesus on your own. Is it really mandatory that I go through the ritual at a church or in front of another holy man? I think not.You are so precious. Sometimes I wonder if you know how much God loves you. You are just such a unique person, Sealy! When you read the story about John the Baptist calling the people to come and repent of their sins and be baptized do you think about how it would be impossible for a baby to repent or be baptized according to Scripture? What would be the purpose when as a baby had you died you would immediately have been with God, Sealy? God does not ask babies to repent but those of the age of reason - who know the difference between right and wrong. Does that make sense? With that said, it would be right for you to be baptized and know what you are doing when you receive forgiveness for your sins and accept Jesus as your Savior. I didn't get baptized right away - it was some months later I believe.
Anyways doesn't matter because I wiped out my baptism by becoming an atheist. Last time I watched a baptism the priest said 5 times to the god father, "do you renounce satan?" and inside I was laughing because I thought, "what if that was me up there? What would I say to him? Would I say I do, or would I start an argument with him and say, "well actually I don't believe in Satan". lol
Dear sealybobo no I don't think you can wipe out what you have already received in the spirit of Christ.
Even my friend Ray Hill who is an atheist but preached as a Baptist up until the age of 19, still teaches abundance of free grace as a natural gift in life. As an Atheist who doesn't relate to a personified God or Jesus.
The process about forgiveness and grace remains true, for all people,
regardless if you or your constituents are theistic, nontheistic, or whatever you call yourself or God made you to be.
We are still under the same natural and spiritual laws that apply to all people
regardless what tribe or culture or language we relate to.
As for believing in Satan, it depends how you define what is Satan or what is God.
Everyone has seen selfishness and ego destroy people and relationships.
(And literally, the satanic cults and practices have gotten people killed, abusing FEAR and ill will to attack.)
You don't have to call that Satan for the spirit of selfish competition and division to befall humanity.
Whatever you call these forces of self-destruction, it's referring to the same process.
We don't have to agree yet where these forces come from, and yet we can still agree
that "unforgiveness" and fear add pressure that can make the problems worse, while forgiveness compassion
and charity towards others help empower people to overcome negative influences and ill will.
The point is to keep faith and find ways for the good to overcome the bad.
This way, we act and speak truth with love, to uplift unite and strengthen each other,
and not out of fear which can distract and divide and make things worse.
How bout the lady who won't give gays marriage licences? See how religion makes people crazy?
While I've no doubt a mentally ill gay black Hispanic Muslim is just like you, it isn't in the way you think. You don't have happiness in common. You have mental illness and hatred in common.
And god didn't help the turtle that made it and lived to be 100. Just dumb luck. God also didn't kill all the kids in the hospital that have cancer. He also didn't perform a miracle when 1 out of 1000 lives.
Why don't you try to win over Emily? Why aren't you trying to convert her? You warned me about people like her? But she's trying. Her heart is certainly more open than mine is.You do. Don't you see that? Don't you see that woman denying gays marriage licences is the evil sick one? Not the gays. You are sick. And people like you aren't happy in life so you need a heaven. I don't. I'm grateful I got the 45 years I have lived so far. If I die tonight I will have considered myself lucky. A lot luckier than the fetus that lived for a month and got murdered. Or the turtle who hatched out of his egg but got eaten by a seagull before he made it to the ocean. His sister made it and she will live to be 100 years old. Sucks to be that one turtle but I promise you there is no heaven for it or you.This week when encountering blacks and Muslims I extended a smile or an opening of a door as a gesture of kindness. Then some black guy was nice to me the next day. Made me realize a gay black Hispanic Muslim woman is just like me. They just want to be happy.Us Greek Orthodox don't believe you have to go through the baptism ceremony again. To be Born Again as an adult just means the day you come to believe/accept/follow Jesus on your own. Is it really mandatory that I go through the ritual at a church or in front of another holy man? I think not.
Anyways doesn't matter because I wiped out my baptism by becoming an atheist. Last time I watched a baptism the priest said 5 times to the god father, "do you renounce satan?" and inside I was laughing because I thought, "what if that was me up there? What would I say to him? Would I say I do, or would I start an argument with him and say, "well actually I don't believe in Satan". lol
Dear sealybobo no I don't think you can wipe out what you have already received in the spirit of Christ.
Even my friend Ray Hill who is an atheist but preached as a Baptist up until the age of 19, still teaches abundance of free grace as a natural gift in life. As an Atheist who doesn't relate to a personified God or Jesus.
The process about forgiveness and grace remains true, for all people,
regardless if you or your constituents are theistic, nontheistic, or whatever you call yourself or God made you to be.
We are still under the same natural and spiritual laws that apply to all people
regardless what tribe or culture or language we relate to.
As for believing in Satan, it depends how you define what is Satan or what is God.
Everyone has seen selfishness and ego destroy people and relationships.
(And literally, the satanic cults and practices have gotten people killed, abusing FEAR and ill will to attack.)
You don't have to call that Satan for the spirit of selfish competition and division to befall humanity.
Whatever you call these forces of self-destruction, it's referring to the same process.
We don't have to agree yet where these forces come from, and yet we can still agree
that "unforgiveness" and fear add pressure that can make the problems worse, while forgiveness compassion
and charity towards others help empower people to overcome negative influences and ill will.
The point is to keep faith and find ways for the good to overcome the bad.
This way, we act and speak truth with love, to uplift unite and strengthen each other,
and not out of fear which can distract and divide and make things worse.
How bout the lady who won't give gays marriage licences? See how religion makes people crazy?
While I've no doubt a mentally ill gay black Hispanic Muslim is just like you, it isn't in the way you think. You don't have happiness in common. You have mental illness and hatred in common.
And god didn't help the turtle that made it and lived to be 100. Just dumb luck. God also didn't kill all the kids in the hospital that have cancer. He also didn't perform a miracle when 1 out of 1000 lives.
You are only 45 years old? You have an entire lifetime before you, Sealy. I believe you are thinking a great deal more about God and his goodness than you realize. Your gratitude is commendable. You are thankful that you have lived to 45 yrs. old and that is something many people would just take for granted. You also count yourself luckier than the fetus that lived for a month and got "murdered". Do you know why you used the word, murdered? Because the LORD opened your eyes to see it for what it is. As I told you before, I believe sometimes a soul is converted gradually as God works on each area and brings the big picture together in His own time. And then? Then you are ready to receive the LORD into your heart and believe on Him for your salvation. I believe you are on your way!
I can't believe how thoroughly convinced you are your religion is the real deal.How come you haven't chimed in at all? Maybe Jeremiah can convert you to Christianity, I can convince you that athiesm is the truth or maybe Emily can convert you to whatever religion she's involved in.When they are mocked for their religious beliefs.
Most of you know that I am a Muslim. I am a non practicing Muslim, and am not majorly devout, however, I have held my faith for a good 6 years now.
In my city, the council passed a motion to build a mosque, which will accommodate the Muslims in the city, who currently have to cram into a tiny little room that the university has kindly allowed them use of when they wish to pray.
On Saturday, there was a rally against this proposed mosque, and a counter rally in support of it. I attended the counter rally, and was horrified by the hatred shown toward those who just want to allow Muslims their own special place of worship.
Back at work, I discovered that my 'friends', who were also very much opposed to the mosque, bitching and complaining that 'those people want to take over the world', and 'they messed up their own country, now they want to screw up ours', and just making jokes about how when the mosque is built, we won't be allowed to serve bacon anymore.
As well as questioning why I wanted the mosque built (none of their business), their attitude toward Muslims appalled me. They don't know that while they make fun of Muslims, they are actually making fun of me. When they say they don't want Muslims in the city, does that mean they wouldn't want me, someone who has lived here for all my 32 years?
As someone who is too scared to openly show my faith, or even learn more about it for fear my faith will be discovered by those who will mock it, I can certainly understand how Christians feel when they are jeered and mocked for their beliefs.
While most of the so called Christians who attended the rally on Saturday are certainly not Christians (Jesus would be appalled at their hatred), there are many who have shown that they are ready to welcome in people of all faiths, which is pleasing - its a lot of loud mouthed fools that just make it so hard for me to feel welcome.
Today I have never felt so rejected and unwanted. I cannot imagine what Christians have had to deal with when they cop shit from atheists.
How do you guys manage to deal with the hatred?
Emily is following the tenets of New Age religion (which isn't Biblical Christianity - you're right, Sealy) and Noomi is a Muslim - non practicing as she stated earlier. What they need and what you need (to believe) is prayer. Prayer is what reveals Jesus Christ as the Way, the Truth and the Life and exposes everything that is not truth. You cannot add to the Word of God. The Word of God stands by itself. It does not depend on the "opinions of men".
As I stated earlier in my quoting Gurnall. Scripture confirms Scripture. False teachings /teachers never agree with one another. That is how you know it is false. Islam does not agree with New Age and New Age does not agree with Islam, add to the mix Jehovah Witness, Mormon religion, Buddhism, Christian science - none of them agree with one another nor could they because they are all false religion.
You will find that the New Agers do not even again with the New Agers and behind closed doors? Their hatred, slander, contempt for the followers of Jesus Christ, born again Christians is palpable.
Satan is the accuser of the brethren (Christians) and the author of false religions and as such he has set in the heart of all these cults to have contempt for the followers of Jesus Christ and the Written Word of God. They continually attempt to twist the Scriptures because the truth is not in them.
My belief is that prayer and reading Scripture is what will draw you to Jesus and I have no doubt that there are others who pray for you also, Sealy. You cannot be "talked into the kingdom of God". You have to be prayed for and seeds planted in your heart OF the Word of God. In time, it will have its effect and you shall be saved.
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I would not have discussions with false teachers if I were you, Sealy. There is no point to it and it is opening you up to further deception. I'd avoid such people and try to read the KJV bible some each day and see what God will do.
It's not your fault moonglow.
You're so angry, MG. I am praying that the LORD removes that bitterness and anger you are holding onto in your heart. It's not good to be holding onto it.
I know, but others have the infinity of lasting guilt from a religion that focuses on death and hate in the form of love and acceptance...It's not your fault moonglow.
You're so angry, MG. I am praying that the LORD removes that bitterness and anger you are holding onto in your heart. It's not good to be holding onto it.
I can't believe how thoroughly convinced you are your religion is the real deal.How come you haven't chimed in at all? Maybe Jeremiah can convert you to Christianity, I can convince you that athiesm is the truth or maybe Emily can convert you to whatever religion she's involved in.When they are mocked for their religious beliefs.
Most of you know that I am a Muslim. I am a non practicing Muslim, and am not majorly devout, however, I have held my faith for a good 6 years now.
In my city, the council passed a motion to build a mosque, which will accommodate the Muslims in the city, who currently have to cram into a tiny little room that the university has kindly allowed them use of when they wish to pray.
On Saturday, there was a rally against this proposed mosque, and a counter rally in support of it. I attended the counter rally, and was horrified by the hatred shown toward those who just want to allow Muslims their own special place of worship.
Back at work, I discovered that my 'friends', who were also very much opposed to the mosque, bitching and complaining that 'those people want to take over the world', and 'they messed up their own country, now they want to screw up ours', and just making jokes about how when the mosque is built, we won't be allowed to serve bacon anymore.
As well as questioning why I wanted the mosque built (none of their business), their attitude toward Muslims appalled me. They don't know that while they make fun of Muslims, they are actually making fun of me. When they say they don't want Muslims in the city, does that mean they wouldn't want me, someone who has lived here for all my 32 years?
As someone who is too scared to openly show my faith, or even learn more about it for fear my faith will be discovered by those who will mock it, I can certainly understand how Christians feel when they are jeered and mocked for their beliefs.
While most of the so called Christians who attended the rally on Saturday are certainly not Christians (Jesus would be appalled at their hatred), there are many who have shown that they are ready to welcome in people of all faiths, which is pleasing - its a lot of loud mouthed fools that just make it so hard for me to feel welcome.
Today I have never felt so rejected and unwanted. I cannot imagine what Christians have had to deal with when they cop shit from atheists.
How do you guys manage to deal with the hatred?
Emily is following the tenets of New Age religion (which isn't Biblical Christianity - you're right, Sealy) and Noomi is a Muslim - non practicing as she stated earlier. What they need and what you need (to believe) is prayer. Prayer is what reveals Jesus Christ as the Way, the Truth and the Life and exposes everything that is not truth. You cannot add to the Word of God. The Word of God stands by itself. It does not depend on the "opinions of men".
As I stated earlier in my quoting Gurnall. Scripture confirms Scripture. False teachings /teachers never agree with one another. That is how you know it is false. Islam does not agree with New Age and New Age does not agree with Islam, add to the mix Jehovah Witness, Mormon religion, Buddhism, Christian science - none of them agree with one another nor could they because they are all false religion.
You will find that the New Agers do not even again with the New Agers and behind closed doors? Their hatred, slander, contempt for the followers of Jesus Christ, born again Christians is palpable.
Satan is the accuser of the brethren (Christians) and the author of false religions and as such he has set in the heart of all these cults to have contempt for the followers of Jesus Christ and the Written Word of God. They continually attempt to twist the Scriptures because the truth is not in them.
My belief is that prayer and reading Scripture is what will draw you to Jesus and I have no doubt that there are others who pray for you also, Sealy. You cannot be "talked into the kingdom of God". You have to be prayed for and seeds planted in your heart OF the Word of God. In time, it will have its effect and you shall be saved.
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I would not have discussions with false teachers if I were you, Sealy. There is no point to it and it is opening you up to further deception. I'd avoid such people and try to read the KJV bible some each day and see what God will do.
Wouldn't a religion warn that Satan is behind all other religions?
It seems like you try with me because I haven't picked a team. I must seem convinceable or convertible. I'm not. But why don't you try to win over Emily or Mohammad? Is it because it's harder to win them over?
Doubting at times is normal, its how you respond to the doubt that counts.
I think when things are going horribly bad...doubt creeps in. I also think when things are going really good doubt creeps in.
One situation is how can a loving God let this happen. The other is Im so capable...who needs a God.
Right now Im watching my mom lose a lot in her life. Many people do I know, but I cant help think...why her? She has put herself last for many people and now one by one its like rugs are being pulled out from under her. Sometimes its hard to understand things like that. One time I started a prayer...and whats the point here God...its not how I finished the prayer..still I was frustrated.
Churches wont close. recession cancelled lol
With the story you guys are telling, doubting is absolutely normal, even though it isn't done enough. Most Christians have either accepted the stories and never questioned or they are victims of cognitive dissonance.
How do you think I responded when I became an atheist? What do you mean by that? How I responded to the doubt is that I realized I don't believe. Nothing personal.
What helped confirm my disbelief was watching the Cosmos. The truth is so much better than the myth.
My mom is dying of Alzheimer's and my dad is suffering and killing himself trying to take care of her. I didn't ask why when it started. I said, "for 40 years my life was perfect. For her life 65 years were perfect. Never once did either of us ask why when things were going good, so why ask why now?".
They probably are trying to build a mosque. These days the faithful far and wide are working extra hard to demonstrate they follow the teachings.In the cross-hairs of the Jew and the Muslim. God protect me.When you go before your god and he asks you if you lived by the teachings of Mohammad what are you going to say? "Kinda."? You gave your soul to a god who does not take kindly to casual obedience. And you're a female. Ouchy.
you believed that sob story??? Were you born yesterday?
DAMN-----you ruined the dialogue-----she was doing Dawah for Christians script. There is DAWAH for Christians and
Dawah for Jews I know both well. I was usually assumed
to be a Christian-----so I got Dawah for Christians-------but silly kid that was and have been-----eventually I gave myself away
There are LOTS of places where mosques can be built and are
built------in lots of THOSE places----Buddhist temples and
churches and synagogues and hindu temples CANNOT be
build no matter how many people from those creeds happen
to live nearby. There should be a kind of universal
principle for the whole planet
I just heard in Tennessee you can't be an athiest and run for office. Its against the law. What's that about?Noomi....................whatever floats your boat in this country....................If that is your faith then believe as you want to believe................Just don't go Jihadist on us...............
Given the state of the world, and the barbarism going on in the middle east and terrorist attacks................people will always be wary of those of the Muslim faith. It is human nature to do so...............as they never know which one will be the one that wants to kill and maim...................
Don't go 7th Century on us..................
How did you go from cringing to believing. And do you really believe or are you just playing it safe? Do you know what cognitive dissonance is? You grapple with that? You must. What made you cringe? Is it that you realized if you take the bible literally its no more believable than any other holy book that has claimed to meet God.Doubting at times is normal, its how you respond to the doubt that counts.
I think when things are going horribly bad...doubt creeps in. I also think when things are going really good doubt creeps in.
One situation is how can a loving God let this happen. The other is Im so capable...who needs a God.
Right now Im watching my mom lose a lot in her life. Many people do I know, but I cant help think...why her? She has put herself last for many people and now one by one its like rugs are being pulled out from under her. Sometimes its hard to understand things like that. One time I started a prayer...and whats the point here God...its not how I finished the prayer..still I was frustrated.
Churches wont close. recession cancelled lol
With the story you guys are telling, doubting is absolutely normal, even though it isn't done enough. Most Christians have either accepted the stories and never questioned or they are victims of cognitive dissonance.
How do you think I responded when I became an atheist? What do you mean by that? How I responded to the doubt is that I realized I don't believe. Nothing personal.
What helped confirm my disbelief was watching the Cosmos. The truth is so much better than the myth.
My mom is dying of Alzheimer's and my dad is suffering and killing himself trying to take care of her. I didn't ask why when it started. I said, "for 40 years my life was perfect. For her life 65 years were perfect. Never once did either of us ask why when things were going good, so why ask why now?".
I spent a long time acting and wanting to be an atheist.( like ive said) Id cringe when Id hear Christians thank God for everything and I did my best at ignoring anything spiritual. I saw over and over... people who claim this neutrality... reveal they are anything BUT neutral. Has nothing to do with laws or maybe a bad past experience.( which is understandable) Neutrality iski id of a farce. idk I was just drawn back to Christianity.
Sorry about your mom ...and dad.
I didn't mean dwell on the poor me thing. I meant question it, process it and work through it. When bad things happen I think its a normal response to question things. Plus my family issues are all long distance.
Soooo most Christians are this and that.lol
btw, I like reading the stuff you post...I just dont agree with much of it. =)
I just heard in Tennessee you can't be an athiest and run for office. Its against the law. What's that about?Noomi....................whatever floats your boat in this country....................If that is your faith then believe as you want to believe................Just don't go Jihadist on us...............
Given the state of the world, and the barbarism going on in the middle east and terrorist attacks................people will always be wary of those of the Muslim faith. It is human nature to do so...............as they never know which one will be the one that wants to kill and maim...................
Don't go 7th Century on us..................
How did you go from cringing to believing. And do you really believe or are you just playing it safe? Do you know what cognitive dissonance is? You grapple with that? You must. What made you cringe? Is it that you realized if you take the bible literally its no more believable than any other holy book that has claimed to meet God.Doubting at times is normal, its how you respond to the doubt that counts.
I think when things are going horribly bad...doubt creeps in. I also think when things are going really good doubt creeps in.
One situation is how can a loving God let this happen. The other is Im so capable...who needs a God.
Right now Im watching my mom lose a lot in her life. Many people do I know, but I cant help think...why her? She has put herself last for many people and now one by one its like rugs are being pulled out from under her. Sometimes its hard to understand things like that. One time I started a prayer...and whats the point here God...its not how I finished the prayer..still I was frustrated.
Churches wont close. recession cancelled lol
With the story you guys are telling, doubting is absolutely normal, even though it isn't done enough. Most Christians have either accepted the stories and never questioned or they are victims of cognitive dissonance.
How do you think I responded when I became an atheist? What do you mean by that? How I responded to the doubt is that I realized I don't believe. Nothing personal.
What helped confirm my disbelief was watching the Cosmos. The truth is so much better than the myth.
My mom is dying of Alzheimer's and my dad is suffering and killing himself trying to take care of her. I didn't ask why when it started. I said, "for 40 years my life was perfect. For her life 65 years were perfect. Never once did either of us ask why when things were going good, so why ask why now?".
I spent a long time acting and wanting to be an atheist.( like ive said) Id cringe when Id hear Christians thank God for everything and I did my best at ignoring anything spiritual. I saw over and over... people who claim this neutrality... reveal they are anything BUT neutral. Has nothing to do with laws or maybe a bad past experience.( which is understandable) Neutrality iski id of a farce. idk I was just drawn back to Christianity.
Sorry about your mom ...and dad.
I didn't mean dwell on the poor me thing. I meant question it, process it and work through it. When bad things happen I think its a normal response to question things. Plus my family issues are all long distance.
Soooo most Christians are this and that.lol
btw, I like reading the stuff you post...I just dont agree with much of it. =)
Omg, please don't tell me it visited you too?
I went from a theist to an athiest. It is very brave to stand up to what theists claim God told them. Especially when everyone else say they believe. You don't want to argue with your family community and priest so you go along.
How many people call themselves Christians but understand the stories are just allegories? I'd say half. And I don't consider cherry pickers Christians. I myself was a cherry picker, like I never believed only Christians go to heaven. I don't believe Mary was a virgin or that Noahs ark happened. It's all stories to teach right and wrong and I bet deep down you know it.