Nothing New but some thing it is.

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    When looking at policies proposed by candidates, many people are under the impression that the idea proposed are new or that the candidate is somehow doing something has not been tried before. So with that in mind I thought I would post the following;

    He appointed a commission which set aside 3 million acres (12,000 km²) of national parks and 2.3 million acres (9,000 km²) of national forests; advocated tax reduction for low-income Americans (not enacted); closed certain tax loopholes for the wealthy; doubled the number of veteran's hospital facilities; negotiated a treaty on St. Lawrence Seaway (which failed in the U.S. Senate); wrote a Children's Charter that advocated protection of every child regardless of race or gender. Herbert Hoover

    I thought it very interesting that Herbert Hoovers tax incentives were on the face quite like the one's Barack Obama is proposing. So as I have said before sometimes things that may be perceived as new are in fact not new.
     
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    either way, the tax incentives being proposed will not be enacted.
     
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    What is interesting is everyone calling Obama a socialist. When he's not.

    Two things:

    1.) Obama will be raising the tax levels for the rich back to the Pre-Reagan levels. It wasn't socialism then or now.

    2.) By definition, Taxes in general are socialist. Think about it for a minute here. You are getting money taken out of your income that is redistributed to things from roads to education to social programs.

    So yeah, my two cents.
     
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    pre-Reagan levels, are you sure that is the claim?
     
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    no he's not a socialist, he's a marxist.
     
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    Here are the top marginal tax rates from 1955 - present.
    1955-63 91% at 400K
    1964 77% at 400K
    1965-67 70% at 200K
    1968 75.25% at 200K
    1969 77% at 200K
    1971-80 70% at 200K - 215.4K
    1981 69.125% at 215.4K
    1982-86 50% at 85.6K increasing to 175.25K
    1987 38.5% at 90K
    1988-90 28% at 29.75K - 32.45K
    1991-92 31% at 82.15K and 86.5K
    1993-00 39.6% at 89.15K - 288.35K
    2001 39.1% at 297.35K
    2002 38.6% at 307.05K
    2003-09 35% at 311,05K - 372.95K

    Well actually it was Clinton levels but they were even higher when Reagan was in office. So in reality, they are going back to the level of the years of 1987 and 1993-00.
     
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    You know Robert, I started a thread today about that very same topic, socialist and socialism which no one ever responded to. So yes I tend to agree that a policy can be socialist in nature, and can while it can does not indicate a nature toward socialism without re typing the whole thread I posted.
     
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    Navy, go ahead and look at the tax rates above.

    It's amazing how much the McCain campaign has spinned away from the truth. This is nothing new Barack Obama is doing.

    Notice how under Reagan the rich from paying 69% to 28%.

    Amazing isn't it? Not surprising though as I been saying this for weeks now.
     
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    they were higher during his first term. they went down during his second.
    what have you heard, seriously? what has obama said he will do with taxes?
     
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    no one should have to pay more than 50.
     

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