Not warmest in 2,000, but hundreds of thousands?

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This chart is of many different scientific papers, which adds a hell of a lot of support to it.
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Based on the graph that shows the warmest part of the Mid-evil warm period being near .3c above "0" or avg to todays global .8c above normal. So we're half a agree oC above the med-evil warm period. Also I was reading that we're very close to the Holocene climatic optimum of 5,000-7,000 years ago->"The Holocene Climate Optimum warm event consisted of increases of up to 4 °C near the North Pole (in one study, winter warming of 3 to 9 °C and summer of 2 to 6 °C in northern central Siberia)[1]. Northwestern Europe experienced warming, while there was cooling in the south.[2] The average temperature change appears to have declined rapidly with latitude so that essentially no change in mean temperature is reported at low and mid latitudes. Tropical reefs tend to show temperature increases of less than 1 °C; the tropical ocean surface at the Great Barrier Reef ~5350 years ago was 1°C warmer and enriched in 18O by 0.5 per mil relative to modern seawater.[3] In terms of the global average, temperatures were probably colder than present day (depending on estimates of latitude dependence and seasonality in response patterns). While temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere were warmer than average during the summers, the tropics and areas of the Southern Hemisphere were colder than average which comprised an average global temperature still overall lower than present day temperatures.[4"
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If we're now warmer then the mid-evil warm period and possibly the climatic optimum then we have to go back to at least 115 thousand years to find possibly warmer temperatures then today. 3-4c would put us back to where we where 5+ million years ago?

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When looking at this graph; remember that 0c is the same 0 point that we have grown to love and we're about .5-.6c above it today. :eusa_drool:

As far as I'm concerned the earth with a helping hand by humanity is just heading back towards normal.:tongue:
 
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It's not even called "Global Warming" anymore, that's how much the "settled science" is in shambles.
 
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It's not even called "Global Warming" anymore, that's how much the "settled science" is in shambles.

But if these charts are to turn out right and we're now warmer then the midevil warm period and Holocene Climate Optimum then we're very likely to be at the highest we've seen in hundreds of thousands of years. If this where to be right then would you admit that the statement warmest in hundreds of thousands of years to be correct?
 
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It's not even called "Global Warming" anymore, that's how much the "settled science" is in shambles.

But if these charts are to turn out right and we're now warmer then the midevil warm period and Holocene Climate Optimum then we're very likely to be at the highest we've seen in hundreds of thousands of years. If this where to be right then would you admit that the statement warmest in hundreds of thousands of years to be correct?




All reputable evidence says the RWP and MWP were at least 5 degrees warmer than current temps.
 
It's not even called "Global Warming" anymore, that's how much the "settled science" is in shambles.

But if these charts are to turn out right and we're now warmer then the midevil warm period and Holocene Climate Optimum then we're very likely to be at the highest we've seen in hundreds of thousands of years. If this where to be right then would you admit that the statement warmest in hundreds of thousands of years to be correct?




All reputable evidence says the RWP and MWP were at least 5 degrees warmer than current temps.

Show us some of that 'reputable evidence'.
 
This chart is of many different scientific papers, which adds a hell of a lot of support to it.
compare_recons_with_crutem_1.png


Based on the graph that shows the warmest part of the Mid-evil warm period being near .3c above "0" or avg to todays global .8c above normal. So we're half a agree oC above the med-evil warm period. Also I was reading that we're very close to the Holocene climatic optimum of 5,000-7,000 years ago->"The Holocene Climate Optimum warm event consisted of increases of up to 4 °C near the North Pole (in one study, winter warming of 3 to 9 °C and summer of 2 to 6 °C in northern central Siberia)[1]. Northwestern Europe experienced warming, while there was cooling in the south.[2] The average temperature change appears to have declined rapidly with latitude so that essentially no change in mean temperature is reported at low and mid latitudes. Tropical reefs tend to show temperature increases of less than 1 °C; the tropical ocean surface at the Great Barrier Reef ~5350 years ago was 1°C warmer and enriched in 18O by 0.5 per mil relative to modern seawater.[3] In terms of the global average, temperatures were probably colder than present day (depending on estimates of latitude dependence and seasonality in response patterns). While temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere were warmer than average during the summers, the tropics and areas of the Southern Hemisphere were colder than average which comprised an average global temperature still overall lower than present day temperatures.[4"
Holocene_Temperature_Variations.png


If we're now warmer then the mid-evil warm period and possibly the climatic optimum then we have to go back to at least 115 thousand years to find possibly warmer temperatures then today. 3-4c would put us back to where we where 5+ million years ago?

Five_Myr_Climate_Change.png


When looking at this graph; remember that 0c is the same 0 point that we have grown to love and we're about .5-.6c above it today. :eusa_drool:

As far as I'm concerned the earth with a helping hand by humanity is just heading back towards normal.:tongue:

The problem with that is that the crops we raise do not consider that to be normal. Also, there is a very high price to be paid by agriculture for the climatic variability that will accompany the climate change.
 
This chart is of many different scientific papers, which adds a hell of a lot of support to it.
compare_recons_with_crutem_1.png


Based on the graph that shows the warmest part of the Mid-evil warm period being near .3c above "0" or avg to todays global .8c above normal. So we're half a agree oC above the med-evil warm period. Also I was reading that we're very close to the Holocene climatic optimum of 5,000-7,000 years ago->"The Holocene Climate Optimum warm event consisted of increases of up to 4 °C near the North Pole (in one study, winter warming of 3 to 9 °C and summer of 2 to 6 °C in northern central Siberia)[1]. Northwestern Europe experienced warming, while there was cooling in the south.[2] The average temperature change appears to have declined rapidly with latitude so that essentially no change in mean temperature is reported at low and mid latitudes. Tropical reefs tend to show temperature increases of less than 1 °C; the tropical ocean surface at the Great Barrier Reef ~5350 years ago was 1°C warmer and enriched in 18O by 0.5 per mil relative to modern seawater.[3] In terms of the global average, temperatures were probably colder than present day (depending on estimates of latitude dependence and seasonality in response patterns). While temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere were warmer than average during the summers, the tropics and areas of the Southern Hemisphere were colder than average which comprised an average global temperature still overall lower than present day temperatures.[4"
Holocene_Temperature_Variations.png


If we're now warmer then the mid-evil warm period and possibly the climatic optimum then we have to go back to at least 115 thousand years to find possibly warmer temperatures then today. 3-4c would put us back to where we where 5+ million years ago?

Five_Myr_Climate_Change.png


When looking at this graph; remember that 0c is the same 0 point that we have grown to love and we're about .5-.6c above it today. :eusa_drool:

As far as I'm concerned the earth with a helping hand by humanity is just heading back towards normal.:tongue:


Crap..... I gotta go



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Modern crops suck humidity from the air, they don't need near the water they used to. The ground is sterile from pesticieds and herbicides. It's called terraculture. Kind of like aquaculture, only without the water.
 
But if these charts are to turn out right and we're now warmer then the midevil warm period and Holocene Climate Optimum then we're very likely to be at the highest we've seen in hundreds of thousands of years. If this where to be right then would you admit that the statement warmest in hundreds of thousands of years to be correct?




All reputable evidence says the RWP and MWP were at least 5 degrees warmer than current temps.

Show us some of that 'reputable evidence'.




No problem there olfraud!

The Reference Frame: Vindication of Craig Loehle

CO2 Science

CSA

SpringerLink - Climatic Change, Volume 26, Numbers 2-3

ScienceDirect - Global and Planetary Change : Medieval Warm Period, Little Ice Age and 20th century temperature variability from Chesapeake Bay

http://www.marshall.org/pdf/materials/132.pdf

http://mensch.org/5223_2007/archive/Science2001Broecker.pdf

Persistent Positive North Atlantic Oscillation Mode Dominated the Medieval Climate Anomaly -- Trouet et al. 324 (5923): 78 -- Science

These a re just a FEW of the over 400 articles, papers and studies that can be found on just the MWP alone. If you cared to look and learn for yourself.
 
Some of the sites were blogs, others are political sites, not scientific ones. And the last one does not make a statement concerning whether the MWP was global.

Papers on the MWP as Global Event AGW Observer

This list contains papers on the medieval warm period (MWP) with emphasis on global analysis. The list is not complete, and will most likely be updated in the future in order to make it more thorough and more representative.

UPDATE (August 19, 2010): Ljungqvist (2009) added, thanks to Darius for pointing it out (see the comment section below).
UPDATE (May 17, 2010): Trouet et al. (2009) added.
UPDATE (January 20, 2010): Osborn & Briffa (2006) added.

Global Signatures and Dynamical Origins of the Little Ice Age and Medieval Climate Anomaly – Mann et al. (2009) “Global temperatures are known to have varied over the past 1500 years, but the spatial patterns have remained poorly defined. We used a global climate proxy network to reconstruct surface temperature patterns over this interval. The Medieval period is found to display warmth that matches or exceeds that of the past decade in some regions, but which falls well below recent levels globally.” [Link to PDF]

Centennial Variations of the Global Monsoon Precipitation in the Last Millennium: Results from ECHO-G Model – Liu et al. (2009) “The authors investigate how the global monsoon (GM) precipitation responds to the external and anthropogenic forcing in the last millennium by analyzing a pair of control and forced millennium simulations with the ECHAM and the global Hamburg Ocean Primitive Equation (ECHO-G) coupled ocean–atmosphere model. … Conversely, strong GM was simulated during the model Medieval Warm Period (ca. 1030–1240). … The simulated change of GM in the last 30 yr has a spatial pattern that differs from that during the Medieval Warm Period, suggesting that global warming that arises from the increases of greenhouse gases and the input solar forcing may have different effects on the characteristics of GM precipitation.”

Persistent Positive North Atlantic Oscillation Mode Dominated the Medieval Climate Anomaly – Trouet et al. (2009) “The Medieval Climate Anomaly (MCA) was the most recent pre-industrial era warm interval of European climate, yet its driving mechanisms remain uncertain. We present here a 947-year-long multidecadal North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) reconstruction and find a persistent positive NAO during the MCA. Supplementary reconstructions based on climate model results and proxy data indicate a clear shift to weaker NAO conditions into the Little Ice Age (LIA). Globally distributed proxy data suggest that this NAO shift is one aspect of a global MCA-LIA climate transition that probably was coupled to prevailing La Niña–like conditions amplified by an intensified Atlantic meridional overturning circulation during the MCA.” [Link to PDF]
 
This neither claims that the MWP was warmer than today, or that it was global.

Persistent Positive North Atlantic Oscillation Mode Dominated the Medieval Climate Anomaly -- Trouet et al. 324 (5923): 78 -- Science

Persistent Positive North Atlantic Oscillation Mode Dominated the Medieval Climate Anomaly
Valérie Trouet,1* Jan Esper,1,2 Nicholas E. Graham,3,4 Andy Baker,5 James D. Scourse,6 David C. Frank1

The Medieval Climate Anomaly (MCA) was the most recent pre-industrial era warm interval of European climate, yet its driving mechanisms remain uncertain. We present here a 947-year-long multidecadal North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) reconstruction and find a persistent positive NAO during the MCA. Supplementary reconstructions based on climate model results and proxy data indicate a clear shift to weaker NAO conditions into the Little Ice Age (LIA). Globally distributed proxy data suggest that this NAO shift is one aspect of a global MCA-LIA climate transition that probably was coupled to prevailing La Niña–like conditions amplified by an intensified Atlantic meridional overturning circulation during the MCA.
 
Not even an abstract here. Just the title of the article, which is a question.



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Was the Medieval Warm Period Global?
Wallace S. Broecker
Science
New Series, Vol. 291, No. 5508 (Feb. 23, 2001), pp. 1497-1499
(article consists of 3 pages)
Published by: American Association for the Advancement of Science
Stable URL: JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie
 
http://www.marshall.org/pdf/materials/132.pdf

Energy and Environment is not a peer reviewed journal.

Energy and Environment - SourceWatch
The journal Energy and Environment is a social science journal published by Multi-Science. The journal's editor is Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen, a reader in geography at the University of Hull in England and climate skeptic.

Energy and Environment is not carried in the ISI listing of peer-reviewed journals. Its peer review process has been widely criticised for allowing the publication of substandard papers.[1][2] Numerous climate skeptics and contrarians have published in the journal and these studies have later been quoted by Republican critics of global warming science such as Senator James Inhofe and Congressman Joe Barton.[1]

Climate change skeptics who have been published in this journal include Sallie Baliunas, Patrick Michaels, Ross McKitrick, Stephen McIntyre, Ian Castles, Roger Pielke Jr., Willie Soon, Madhav Khandekar, Craig Loehle, Steve McIntyre, and Indur Goklany.
 
Peer reviewed, and presents evidence for a global MWP, but does not state that it was warmer than today.

SpringerLink - Climatic Change, Volume 26, Numbers 2-3

Abstract
It is hypothesised that the Medieval Warm Period was preceded and followed by periods of moraine deposition associated with glacier expansion. Improvements in the methodology of radiocarbon calibration make it possible to convert radiocarbon ages to calendar dates with greater precision than was previously possible. Dating of organic material closely associated with moraines in many montane regions has reached the point where it is possible to survey available information concerning the timing of the medieval warm period. The results suggest that it was a global event occurring between about 900 and 1250 A.D., possibly interrupted by a minor readvance of ice between about 1050 and 1150 A.D.
 
Peer reviewed, presents evidence for a global MWP, but not for the MWP being warmer than it is today.

CSA

Evidence for a 'Medieval Warm Period' in a 1,100 year tree-ring reconstruction of past austral summer temperatures in New Zealand
Cook, E R | Palmer, J G | D'Arrigo, R
Geophysical Research Letters. Vol. 29, no. 14, pp. 12-1 to 12-4. 15 July 2002

The occurrence of the Medieval Warm Period (MWP) in the Southern Hemisphere is uncertain because of the paucity of well-dated, high-resolution paleo-temperature records covering the past 1000 years. We describe a new tree-ring reconstruction of Austral summer temperatures from the South Island of New Zealand, covering the past 1100 years. This record is the longest yet produced for New Zealand and shows clear evidence for persistent above-average temperatures within the interval commonly assigned to the MWP. Comparisons with selected temperature proxies from the Northern and Southern Hemispheres confirm that the MWP was highly variable in time and space. Regardless, the New Zealand temperature reconstruction supports the global occurrence of the MWP. (Author)
 
CO2 Science

The temps for only one area in Europe. Also, CO2 Science is hardly a reputable site.

Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change - SourceWatch

The Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change (CSCDGC) was founded in 1998. It states on its website that its mission is to distribute "factual reports and sound commentary on new developments in the world-wide scientific quest to determine the climatic and biological consequences of the ongoing rise in the air's CO2 content" [1]. Mother Jones magazine lists the Center as one of the "Dirty Dozen of Climate Change Denial."[1]

The Center produces a weekly online science newsletter called CO2 Science Magazine.

In October 1999 Craig D. Idso and Keith E. Idso mentioned that they had "recently completed a project commissioned by the Greening Earth Society entitled "Forecasting World Food Supplies: The Impact of the Rising Atmospheric CO2 Concentration," which we presented at the Second Annual Dixy Lee Ray Memorial Symposium held in Washington, DC on 31 August - 2 September 1999." [2] The Greening Earth Society, a front group of the Western Fuels Association.

Donald Paul Hodel, chairman of Summit Power Group is listed among the "scientific advisors" to the Center.[3]
 

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