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However difficult to imagine, there are people who have no drivers license, they obviously do not drive, they rely on public transportation, family, friends.
But thats not the issue.
The issue is there is no evidence that fraud via ID is of such a scale as to have altered the outcome of any election, consequently there is nothing to justify an ID requirement; indeed, research has determined that fraud via ID is virtually non-existent:
First - please try to avoid partisan tripe when replying, I am looking for honest answers here..
So with the voter ID issue, its being claimed that poor/miniorities will be "disenfranchised" and prevented from voting since they some how get through life without an ID...
First off, how do you get through life without a driver's license --- driving, getting services many places, buying alcohol, etc all require it.
Also, people are comparing it to a poll tax as you have to pay for the ID, but honestly the IDs are under $10 and if you are so poor you cant afford $10 every 4 years to renew a license then you likely are on government subsidised living, which requires ID to get the associated service.
I honestly just don't understand the oppisition.
I think that the courts would decide that the right to vote is one of the most sacred rights of the American people and should not require a prerequiste mandate.
.So there are millions of people in the U.S. that are valid voters, but do not have authoritive photo IDs
So there are millions of people in the U.S. that are valid voters, but do not have authoritive photo IDs
Why would someone who's willing to go stand in line and vote not be willing to stand in line for a free ID first?
Honestly, it's because Democcrats depend on illegal voters. You can't cash a check without ID. You can't get on a plane without ID. You can't drive a car without ID. You can't enroll your kid in school without ID. There are very, very few people who do not have ID. The reason the left gets all bent out of shape over requiring ID to vote is because they fear losing votes of people gaming the system.
Voter ID laws are being put on the books around the country, in states with Republican administrations, for just one purpose. They are there to discourage the poor and otherwise disadvantaged from voting, to make it harder to them to have their voice in society. This is being done despite the fact that there have been fewer cases of voter fraud at the polling place in this country in the last decade than there have been cases of Jay-walking. The reason this is being done by Republicans is that they clearly understand that those people who are least able to obtain the proscribed ID are the most likely to vote for Democrats.
If the Republican have their way we will all end up as feudal peasants, it is the GOP dream; a very few of them lording over the vast majority of us.
Rules & regulations: SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS! I knew of a disabled woman, MY MOTHER, who had no photo ID, and a friend with a suspended license. WHY should VOTING be a task? Those masses of illegal voters exist only in the minds of those who want to suppress our foremost right, the RIGHT to vote.
Then why haven't you taken her down to the DMV to get a photo ID? It costs a few bucks, and then she has it. A photo ID does not have to be a driver's license. Or if you aren't willing to do that for her, I know at least a half dozen organization who would buy it for her just so that she would be eligible to vote. If she is too disabled to do that, then she is likely too disabled to go vote either so the issue is MOOT. Agreed? Unless you want to be able to go vote for her which you probably could do if you aren't required to show I.D.
Nobody can do much of anything in this country anymore without some means of identifying ourselves and proving we are who we are. Those incapable of identifying themselves are almost certainly not citizens of the USA and/or are people with the mental capacity to vote.
Of course there are folks who want such people to have EVERY opportunity to vote as that is the only way they can hope to be elected or re-elected to office.
She is deceased, DMV did not offer photo ID at the time of her death, except for DL's. MY VALID DL was rejected in 2002. Again, where is this mass of voter fraud? The problem is too many choose NOT to vote, not too many people voting.
However difficult to imagine, there are people who have no drivers license, they obviously do not drive, they rely on public transportation, family, friends.
But thats not the issue.
The issue is there is no evidence that fraud via ID is of such a scale as to have altered the outcome of any election, consequently there is nothing to justify an ID requirement; indeed, research has determined that fraud via ID is virtually non-existent:
There is one reason to oppose ID when casting a vote for leaders, the desire to engage in fraud.
There is no other rational objection.
We require ID to buy liquor, to rent a video, to use a credit card, to buy a gun, to drive a car, to buy a house, to get a job, to get welfare, to use foodstamps, to get a fishing license.
But to use ID in voting, you say will "disenfranchise."
Bullshit - you fear it will disenfranchise fraud.
First - please try to avoid partisan tripe when replying, I am looking for honest answers here..
So with the voter ID issue, its being claimed that poor/miniorities will be "disenfranchised" and prevented from voting since they some how get through life without an ID...
First off, how do you get through life without a driver's license --- driving, getting services many places, buying alcohol, etc all require it.
Also, people are comparing it to a poll tax as you have to pay for the ID, but honestly the IDs are under $10 and if you are so poor you cant afford $10 every 4 years to renew a license then you likely are on government subsidised living, which requires ID to get the associated service.
I honestly just don't understand the oppisition.
O.K., looks at it this way:
For most people there are only three authoritive ID documents. Your birth Certificate, your Drivers license and your passport. The birth certificate is the most authoritive, since it's used to get the other two. However, it is not a photo ID.
Well, if a person does not travel abroad, they most likely would not have a passport. Poor people generally can't afford to travel abroad, so usually they (and a lot of other people do not have passport).
Now, that leaves a driver's license. But what if they don't drive?
Most people that live in cities do not drive. They take public transportation. Poor people simply cannot afford a car. Even if you can afford a car, a lot of people who live in cities prefer not to own one.
So there are millions of people in the U.S. that are valid voters, but do not have authoritive photo IDs. It just so happens that by a quirk of demographics a large majority of these people tend to vote liberal.
So requiring photo IDs would most likely affect the elections adversely for the Democrats.
Now, the remaining question is:
Can we MANDATE that a person have a photo ID in order to exercise their right to vote?
I think that the courts would decide that the right to vote is one of the most sacred rights of the American people and should not require a prerequiste mandate.
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How can they not have an ID? Good question. Let us say that the person in question is a destitute single parent, make it a woman. Now let's put her downtown in a big city, one with a crummy public transportation system. So she hasn't got any money, hasn't got a car, and if there was a bus she couldn't afford to pay a babysitter while she took the half a day to go get the ID - whioch is what it would take at a minumum if public transportation has to be involved. Then let the state's DMV handle the ID issuing and put all of the DMV offices way out in the suburbs. In fact while you are at it close a couple of them, and concentrate the closings in areas that are heavily populated by Democrats. That is how its being done right this minute in Wisconsin. So now you know.
Asking democrats not to engage in fraud in an election is like asking a Marine not to use his rifle in a war.
Voter ID takes away the main weapon of the democrats, fraud.
First - please try to avoid partisan tripe when replying, I am looking for honest answers here..
So with the voter ID issue, its being claimed that poor/miniorities will be "disenfranchised" and prevented from voting since they some how get through life without an ID...
First off, how do you get through life without a driver's license --- driving, getting services many places, buying alcohol, etc all require it.
Also, people are comparing it to a poll tax as you have to pay for the ID, but honestly the IDs are under $10 and if you are so poor you cant afford $10 every 4 years to renew a license then you likely are on government subsidised living, which requires ID to get the associated service.
I honestly just don't understand the oppisition.
O.K., looks at it this way:
For most people there are only three authoritive ID documents. Your birth Certificate, your Drivers license and your passport. The birth certificate is the most authoritive, since it's used to get the other two. However, it is not a photo ID.
Well, if a person does not travel abroad, they most likely would not have a passport. Poor people generally can't afford to travel abroad, so usually they (and a lot of other people do not have passport).
Now, that leaves a driver's license. But what if they don't drive?
Most people that live in cities do not drive. They take public transportation. Poor people simply cannot afford a car. Even if you can afford a car, a lot of people who live in cities prefer not to own one.
So there are millions of people in the U.S. that are valid voters, but do not have authoritive photo IDs. It just so happens that by a quirk of demographics a large majority of these people tend to vote liberal.
So requiring photo IDs would most likely affect the elections adversely for the Democrats.
Now, the remaining question is:
Can we MANDATE that a person have a photo ID in order to exercise their right to vote?
I think that the courts would decide that the right to vote is one of the most sacred rights of the American people and should not require a prerequiste mandate.
That
First, people in cities drive. I live in OKC and the population of the metro area is 1.2 million people. I don't know anyone who doesn't drive. I don't know anyone that uses the empty mass transportation buses I see on the road. Keep in mind that places like New York City and Chicago are the excception, NOT The rule.
Second, state issued ID's are easy and cheap to obtain. If you plan on functioning in modern society, you can't get along with out one. Oklahoma Identification Card
Third, what "right" to vote? You are aware that there is no constitutional right to vote don't you? Voter rights come from the states and other than not being able to violate your civil rights, a state can set the conditions of who can vote however they desire. At the outset of this nation, you had to be a landowner to vote. But what do liberals do when states try to set voter requirements.....like proving you are who you claim you are.......they sic the federal government on them for disenfrachising the poor and blacks. Bullshit.
