not understanding the voter ID issue...

[francoHFW]

Oh, stfu, dupe/hater/50% racist....tyvm


Shutting off blacks and hispanics, and others, who voted before is not legitimacy. Because that's what Pubs have brainwashed you into. Worry about who COUNTS the votes...

 

[freedombecki]

Government should be encouraging people to vote, not discouraging.

Of course, but some want voting to be as difficult as possible. A sad reflection of the nation that a few do not understand the intent of the Founders.

Not at all. We want voting to be done by those who care enough about their government and their country to get themselves down to the courthouse or other authorized location and register to vote. And that would require identifying themselves and showing some proof of residence in the precinct in which they register. And then I want them to study the issues and candidates and get themselves to the polling place on the assigned date. And cast their informed vote for the candidate of their choice. And I want them to again show that they are the person that is shown to be registered in that precinct.

I want voting to become a responsibility of citizenship again, and not something that is bought and sold to the highest bidder or something that can be easily maniupulated by people who do not have your or my interests at heart.

I just want citizenship to be a responsibility again. I'm tired of seeing American ideals trashed while criminality gets approbation.

 

[francoHFW]

Example? Pfffft!!

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Voters establish their identity and eligibility to vote when they register; it’s an unjustified undue burden to contrive subsequent hurtles and barriers to voting absent evidence any election outcome was altered as a result of ‘voter fraud.’

The burden of proof is on the state to justify its rationale to restrict a fundamental right such as voting; that rationale is justified with objective, documented evidence supporting the state’s reasoning, evidence which clearly doesn't exist with regard to 'voter fraud.'

 

[Flopper]

We want voting to be done by those who care enough about their government and their country to get themselves down to the courthouse or other authorized location and register to vote. And that would require identifying themselves and showing some proof of residence in the precinct in which they register. And then I want them to study the issues and candidates and get themselves to the polling place on the assigned date. And cast their informed vote for the candidate of their choice. And I want them to again show that they are the person that is shown to be registered in that precinct.

You've stating a major difference in Republican and Democratic philosophy. Exclude those that are not worthy. Restrict the vote to those that deserve the vote, the industrious, the educated, and those who really care about government. Republican philosophy is all about excursion. Exclude those not worthy of the vote. Exclude gays from marriage. Exclude the poor from healthcare. Exclude undocumented children from a chance to better themselves. This doesn't miss the attention of the poor and minorities who have voted Democrat 70% of the time and will continue to do so in spite of Republican efforts to keep them away from the polls.

 

[freedombecki]

Example? Pfffft!!

Sure Sharpton/Brawley. A year of bullshit about her being raped by 6 white guys, several of whom were cops.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Did they also say how many of those 217,000 are illegal aliens?

The article looks at those registered to vote who don't have a drivers license through DMV records.

As with most of the shit leftists cook up, it's an absurd measure leading to a faulty conclusion.

Of the 217,000 - well over half are dead. Just like Florida, voter records don't get purged, but DMV records sure do. Another quarter are inelegance voters, the rest have out of state or military ID.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Example? Pfffft!!

Yes, you're right! Without massive election fraud Obama will indeed lose.

 

[geauxtohell]

I have no idea why anyone would think Voter ID is a bad thing.

Everyone should have ID to prove that they are who they are. A picture ID proves that you are who you say you are. Good idea in my book.

When voting we are fullfilling the greatest right that we have and it should be done legally in all States.

Anyone who thinks there is no voter fraud out there is living in la la land.

Because we already have a system in place to verify voters.

Do you guys think people just walk in off the streets?

 

[wjmacguffin]

Voters establish their identity and eligibility to vote when they register; it’s an unjustified undue burden to contrive subsequent hurtles and barriers to voting absent evidence any election outcome was altered as a result of ‘voter fraud.’

The burden of proof is on the state to justify its rationale to restrict a fundamental right such as voting; that rationale is justified with objective, documented evidence supporting the state’s reasoning, evidence which clearly doesn't exist with regard to 'voter fraud.'

Agreed. Voting is a right. Requiring a photo ID to vote means the state must offer or require photo IDs for all citizens. We don't do that, at least not currently, and the poor are the most likely to not have such identification. That means current voter ID laws discriminate against the poor.

It's not rocket science, people.

 

[Foxfyre]

Interesting poll in Politico last month:

Updated: 4/18/12 3:20 PM EDT

The vast majority of Americans believe that voter ID laws are necesssary to stop fraud, according to a new survey released Wednesday.

Indeed, 70 percent of Americans say they support voter identification measures “to stop illegal voting,” reports Fox News. Only 26 percent said such laws are “unnecessary and discourage legal voting.”

A majority of Democrats (52 percent), independents (72 percent) and Republicans (87 percent) supported voter ID laws as necessary.

Further, 50 percent of Americans said they believe opponents of voter ID laws were “trying to steal elections by increasing illegal votes by non-citizens and other ineligible voters,” compared to 45 percent who disagreed.

But respondents didn’t have the same concerns regarding the motives of those who supported voter ID initiatives: 62 percent said they did not believe those who backed voter ID laws were trying to “steal elections by decreasing legal votes from minorities,” compared with 34 percent who said the opposite. . . .

Read more: Poll: 70% back voter ID laws - Tim Mak - POLITICO.com

And an excerpt from a RCP piece late last year addressing the issues of voter fraud and how Voter ID has not suppressed the black vote or anybody else's vote any place it has been tried:

. . . .The NAACP has asked the United Nations to intervene to block state voter ID laws. It may have an ulterior motive for opposing ballot security measures. An NAACP official was convicted on 10 counts of absentee voter fraud in Tunica County, Miss., in July.

Former Democratic Rep. Artur Davis, who is black, said vote fraud is rampant in African-American districts like his in Alabama.

"The most aggressive contemporary voter suppression in the African-American community is the wholesale manufacture of ballots at the polls and absentee, in parts of the Black Belt," Mr. Davis said. "Voting the names of the dead, and the nonexistent, and the too mentally impaired to function cancels out the votes of citizens who are exercising their rights."

Laws requiring photo IDs suppress minority voting, Democrats charge. The facts say otherwise. In Georgia, black voter turnout for the midterm election in 2006 was 42.9 percent. After Georgia passed photo ID, black turnout in the 2010 midterm rose to 50.4 percent. Black turnout also rose in Indiana and Mississippi after photo IDs were required.

"Concerns about voter identification laws affecting turnout are much ado about nothing," concluded researchers at the universities of Delaware and Nebraska after examining election data from 2000 through 2006. . . .
RealClearPolitics - Why Americans Support Voter ID Laws

 

[boilermaker55]

Why has not, theso-called great protector of voters, look into voting machines.
They are owned by private corporations.
How many votes will not be counted for one party or another?
Think about it.

 

[Flopper]

Interesting poll in Politico last month:

Updated: 4/18/12 3:20 PM EDT

The vast majority of Americans believe that voter ID laws are necesssary to stop fraud, according to a new survey released Wednesday.

Indeed, 70 percent of Americans say they support voter identification measures “to stop illegal voting,” reports Fox News. Only 26 percent said such laws are “unnecessary and discourage legal voting.”

A majority of Democrats (52 percent), independents (72 percent) and Republicans (87 percent) supported voter ID laws as necessary.

Further, 50 percent of Americans said they believe opponents of voter ID laws were “trying to steal elections by increasing illegal votes by non-citizens and other ineligible voters,” compared to 45 percent who disagreed.

But respondents didn’t have the same concerns regarding the motives of those who supported voter ID initiatives: 62 percent said they did not believe those who backed voter ID laws were trying to “steal elections by decreasing legal votes from minorities,” compared with 34 percent who said the opposite. . . .

Read more: Poll: 70% back voter ID laws - Tim Mak - POLITICO.com

And an excerpt from a RCP piece late last year addressing the issues of voter fraud and how Voter ID has not suppressed the black vote or anybody else's vote any place it has been tried:

. . . .The NAACP has asked the United Nations to intervene to block state voter ID laws. It may have an ulterior motive for opposing ballot security measures. An NAACP official was convicted on 10 counts of absentee voter fraud in Tunica County, Miss., in July.

Former Democratic Rep. Artur Davis, who is black, said vote fraud is rampant in African-American districts like his in Alabama.

"The most aggressive contemporary voter suppression in the African-American community is the wholesale manufacture of ballots at the polls and absentee, in parts of the Black Belt," Mr. Davis said. "Voting the names of the dead, and the nonexistent, and the too mentally impaired to function cancels out the votes of citizens who are exercising their rights."

Laws requiring photo IDs suppress minority voting, Democrats charge. The facts say otherwise. In Georgia, black voter turnout for the midterm election in 2006 was 42.9 percent. After Georgia passed photo ID, black turnout in the 2010 midterm rose to 50.4 percent. Black turnout also rose in Indiana and Mississippi after photo IDs were required.

"Concerns about voter identification laws affecting turnout are much ado about nothing," concluded researchers at the universities of Delaware and Nebraska after examining election data from 2000 through 2006. . . .
RealClearPolitics - Why Americans Support Voter ID Laws

Photo id requirements have been sold to the America public as a solution to a major voting fraud problem however voter id fraud is very rare, less than 1 conviction for ever 2 million voters. In part, this is because fraud by individual voters is a singularly foolish and ineffective way to attempt to win an election. Each act of voter fraud in connection with a federal election risks five years in prison and a $10,000 fine, in addition to any state penalties. In return, it yields at most one incremental vote. That single extra vote is simply not worth the price.

There are many other types of voter fraud that are more common and photo ids would not prevent, such as absentee voter fraud. In just one case in Miami over 4,000 ballots were stolen and cast which led to arrests and convictions.