not understanding the voter ID issue...

[blu]

First - please try to avoid partisan tripe when replying, I am looking for honest answers here..

So with the voter ID issue, its being claimed that poor/miniorities will be "disenfranchised" and prevented from voting since they some how get through life without an ID...

First off, how do you get through life without a driver's license --- driving, getting services many places, buying alcohol, etc all require it.

Also, people are comparing it to a poll tax as you have to pay for the ID, but honestly the IDs are under $10 and if you are so poor you cant afford $10 every 4 years to renew a license then you likely are on government subsidised living, which requires ID to get the associated service.

I honestly just don't understand the oppisition.

 

[kwc57]

Honestly, it's because Democcrats depend on illegal voters. You can't cash a check without ID. You can't get on a plane without ID. You can't drive a car without ID. You can't enroll your kid in school without ID. There are very, very few people who do not have ID. The reason the left gets all bent out of shape over requiring ID to vote is because they fear losing votes of people gaming the system.

 

[1_Old_Man]

Voter ID laws are being put on the books around the country, in states with Republican administrations, for just one purpose. They are there to discourage the poor and otherwise disadvantaged from voting, to make it harder to them to have their voice in society. This is being done despite the fact that there have been fewer cases of voter fraud at the polling place in this country in the last decade than there have been cases of Jay-walking. The reason this is being done by Republicans is that they clearly understand that those people who are least able to obtain the proscribed ID are the most likely to vote for Democrats.

If the Republican have their way we will all end up as feudal peasants, it is the GOP dream; a very few of them lording over the vast majority of us.

 

[blu]

Voter ID laws are being put on the books around the country, in states with Republican administrations, for just one purpose. They are there to discourage the poor and otherwise disadvantaged from voting, to make it harder to them to have their voice in society. This is being done despite the fact that there have been fewer cases of voter fraud at the polling place in this country in the last decade than there have been cases of Jay-walking. The reason this is being done by Republicans is that they clearly understand that those people who are least able to obtain the proscribed ID are the most likely to vote for Democrats.

If the Republican have their way we will all end up as feudal peasants, it is the GOP dream; a very few of them lording over the vast majority of us.

how can someone not get an ID? I really don't understand that part

 

[1_Old_Man]

How can they not have an ID? Good question. Let us say that the person in question is a destitute single parent, make it a woman. Now let's put her downtown in a big city, one with a crummy public transportation system. So she hasn't got any money, hasn't got a car, and if there was a bus she couldn't afford to pay a babysitter while she took the half a day to go get the ID - whioch is what it would take at a minumum if public transportation has to be involved. Then let the state's DMV handle the ID issuing and put all of the DMV offices way out in the suburbs. In fact while you are at it close a couple of them, and concentrate the closings in areas that are heavily populated by Democrats. That is how its being done right this minute in Wisconsin. So now you know.

 

[LibertyForAll]

Voter ID laws are being put on the books around the country, in states with Republican administrations, for just one purpose. They are there to discourage the poor and otherwise disadvantaged from voting, to make it harder to them to have their voice in society. This is being done despite the fact that there have been fewer cases of voter fraud at the polling place in this country in the last decade than there have been cases of Jay-walking. The reason this is being done by Republicans is that they clearly understand that those people who are least able to obtain the proscribed ID are the most likely to vote for Democrats.

If the Republican have their way we will all end up as feudal peasants, it is the GOP dream; a very few of them lording over the vast majority of us.

how can someone not get an ID? I really don't understand that part

Because they are here illegally. Maybe the democrats could start a charity to raise money to help the poor disenfranchised voters and make sure they have an ID. There are approximately 169,000,000 voting age people in this country and probably 1% of them don't have IDs so we could get them all IDs for 10 bucks a pop. Warren Buffet wants to pay more why doesn't he just pay for this instead? It would only take about 1.7 million dollars. Surely you could raise that much right?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

How can they not have an ID? Good question. Let us say that the person in question is a destitute single parent, make it a woman. Now let's put her downtown in a big city, one with a crummy public transportation system. So she hasn't got any money, hasn't got a car, and if there was a bus she couldn't afford to pay a babysitter while she took the half a day to go get the ID - whioch is what it would take at a minumum if public transportation has to be involved. Then let the state's DMV handle the ID issuing and put all of the DMV offices way out in the suburbs. In fact while you are at it close a couple of them, and concentrate the closings in areas that are heavily populated by Democrats. That is how its being done right this minute in Wisconsin. So now you know.[/QUO

I would suggest she get to the DMV the same way she gets to the voting booth. I mean if voting is so important to her and all......

 

[Foxfyre]

Voter ID laws are being put on the books around the country, in states with Republican administrations, for just one purpose. They are there to discourage the poor and otherwise disadvantaged from voting, to make it harder to them to have their voice in society. This is being done despite the fact that there have been fewer cases of voter fraud at the polling place in this country in the last decade than there have been cases of Jay-walking. The reason this is being done by Republicans is that they clearly understand that those people who are least able to obtain the proscribed ID are the most likely to vote for Democrats.

If the Republican have their way we will all end up as feudal peasants, it is the GOP dream; a very few of them lording over the vast majority of us.

Don't you get the least bit embarrassed writing something like what I've quoted here?

I for one would absolutely like to see the voter registration be tightened back up to the point it was 50 or 60 years ago, when mostly DEMOCRATS, without objections from Republicans, put a system into effect to protect the integrity of the system and ensure that those entitled to vote could vote.

Those rules included getting your butt down to the City Clerk's office to register anywhere from two to six weeks prior to the election. It was felt that those who deserved to vote would make the effort to do that. And yes, you did have to show ID of some form--a driver's license, a birth certificate, or a utility bill--something to verify that you lived at the address you claimed and were eligible to vote. And your registration included an affidavit that you were using your right name and address.

Those rules included having your name on a list of registered voters at an assigned precinct. There were no provisions for early voting or voting anywhere you felt like it or voting if your name was not on the list, you didn't vote. If you protested, they would take a provisional ballot and check it out. But that was extremely rare involving a very few people, not the hundreds and thousands that utilize that provision now.

The 'poor' and 'disadvantaged' are full citizens of the USA as much as anybody else, and are therefore subject to the same rules and requirements and right to vote as anybody else. They are not entitled to do so without fulfilling the same requirements to show eligibility as everybody else. Or they shouldn't be.

Why in the world would anybody want to compromise the integrity of such a sacred privilege as the right to vote for how we will spend the people's money and/or the right to choose those who will represent us in government? For what purpose do you make it possible for an ineligible person to vote unless it is for dishonest reasons?

 

[g5000]

First - please try to avoid partisan tripe when replying, I am looking for honest answers here..

So with the voter ID issue, its being claimed that poor/miniorities will be "disenfranchised" and prevented from voting since they some how get through life without an ID...

First off, how do you get through life without a driver's license --- driving, getting services many places, buying alcohol, etc all require it.

There are many people who do not have a current driver's license. Not everyone owns a car, you know. And many old people do not drive.

Here's one example:
Voter thwarted in Waukesha for lack of ID - JSOnline

The sad thing about that particular case of a registered American citizen voter not being allowed to vote is that the Voter ID law wasn't even in effect yet, but she was still asked for Voter ID and did not have one, so she was not allowed to vote. Even if she had brought her driver's license, it was expired, so she would still have been denied if Voter ID law was in effect.

Bogus treatment of an American citizen.


You already have to prove your citizenship and eligibility to vote when you register to vote.

Voter ID is a solution looking for a problem. Proper management of the registered voter rolls would eliminate/catch all voter fraud. If dead people are voting, that can only be possible because their names have not been removed from the voter rolls. Voter ID won't remove dead people from the rolls. So the obvious solution is to clean up and properly maintain the rolls. If people truly cared about voter fraud involving dead people voting, they would be screaming at the registrars to do their jobs, not calling for Voter ID. If a registrar is not keeping accurate records, how well are they going to manage an additional requirement?

In over two centuries of voting in America, there is not one case of fraud which could not be solved or caught by proper voter registration management.

Therefore, one can only conclude that since Voter ID is unnecessary for the purpose of ensuring only authorized American citizens vote, then its TRUE purpose is obviously something else. It is very strange to hear UnConservatives calling for new and unneccessary laws. That's the job description of liberals, not conservatives. So Voter ID does not pass the smell test.


Don't drink the bongwater.

 

[Foxfyre]

First - please try to avoid partisan tripe when replying, I am looking for honest answers here..

So with the voter ID issue, its being claimed that poor/miniorities will be "disenfranchised" and prevented from voting since they some how get through life without an ID...

First off, how do you get through life without a driver's license --- driving, getting services many places, buying alcohol, etc all require it.

There are many people who do not have a current driver's license. Not everyone owns a car, you know. And many old people do not drive.

Here's one example:
Voter thwarted in Waukesha for lack of ID - JSOnline

The sad thing about that particular case of a registered American citizen voter not being allowed to vote is that the Voter ID law wasn't even in effect yet, but she was still asked for Voter ID and did not have one, so she was not allowed to vote.


You already have to prove your citizenship and eligibility to vote when you register to vote. Voter ID is a solution looking for a problem. Proper management of the registered voter rolls would eliminate/catch all voter fraud. In over two centuries of voting in America, there is not one case of fraud which could not be solved or caught by proper voter registration management.

Therefore, one can only conclude that since Voter ID is unnecessary for the purpose of ensuring only authorized American citizens vote, then its TRUE purpose is obviously something else.

Don't drink the bongwater.

But currently people are voting for weeks ahead of the election at all sorts of places, and if they happen to not be on the roster, they are allowed to vote anyway. There is far too much opportunity to vote twice, to vote under assumed names, to shift whole voting blocks to a different precinct to ensure the election of some favored somebody, to vote for the dead, etc. etc. etc. UNLESS some effort is made to verify the identiy of the person voting.

If the 'old folks' can produce the necessary identification to sign up for their social security checks, to establish membership at the Senior Citizens center, or even get into the local courthouse, it is not an imposition for them to provide the same identification to vote.

 

[Peach]

First - please try to avoid partisan tripe when replying, I am looking for honest answers here..

So with the voter ID issue, its being claimed that poor/miniorities will be "disenfranchised" and prevented from voting since they some how get through life without an ID...

First off, how do you get through life without a driver's license --- driving, getting services many places, buying alcohol, etc all require it.

There are many people who do not have a current driver's license. Not everyone owns a car, you know. And many old people do not drive.

Here's one example:
Voter thwarted in Waukesha for lack of ID - JSOnline

The sad thing about that particular case of a registered American citizen voter not being allowed to vote is that the Voter ID law wasn't even in effect yet, but she was still asked for Voter ID and did not have one, so she was not allowed to vote.


You already have to prove your citizenship and eligibility to vote when you register to vote. Voter ID is a solution looking for a problem. Proper management of the registered voter rolls would eliminate/catch all voter fraud. In over two centuries of voting in America, there is not one case of fraud which could not be solved or caught by proper voter registration management.

Therefore, one can only conclude that since Voter ID is unnecessary for the purpose of ensuring only authorized American citizens vote, then its TRUE purpose is obviously something else.

Don't drink the bongwater.

But currently people are voting for weeks ahead of the election at all sorts of places, and if they happen to not be on the roster, they are allowed to vote anyway. There is far too much opportunity to vote twice, to vote under assumed names, to shift whole voting blocks to a different precinct to ensure the election of some favored somebody, to vote for the dead, etc. etc. etc. UNLESS some effort is made to verify the identiy of the person voting.

If the 'old folks' can produce the necessary identification to sign up for their social security checks, to establish membership at the Senior Citizens center, or even get into the local courthouse, it is not an imposition for them to provide the same identification to vote.

Voting is a RIGHT, not a privilege. As long as affidavits are AVAILABLE, it should not be a large problem. But I had to cast a PROVISIONAL ballot in 2002 because my photo ID address differed from the roll address. WHY SHOULD ANYONE JUMP THROUGH HOOPS to exercise a RIGHT?

 

[Joshuatree]

Tourists and ilegal imigrants should not be alowed to vote, man this is so obvious, how come there are still places you don't need to show any document in order to vote.

 

[Peach]

Tourists and ilegal imigrants should not be alowed to vote, man this is so obvious, how come there are still places you don't need to show any document in order to vote.

Like ILLEGAL immigrants are rushing to polling places lined with police!

 

[ducks102]

First - please try to avoid partisan tripe when replying, I am looking for honest answers here..

So with the voter ID issue, its being claimed that poor/miniorities will be "disenfranchised" and prevented from voting since they some how get through life without an ID...

First off, how do you get through life without a driver's license --- driving, getting services many places, buying alcohol, etc all require it.

Also, people are comparing it to a poll tax as you have to pay for the ID, but honestly the IDs are under $10 and if you are so poor you cant afford $10 every 4 years to renew a license then you likely are on government subsidised living, which requires ID to get the associated service.

I honestly just don't understand the oppisition.

When do you need a driver's license for buying alcohol lol

Becuase there is no need for ID. They are forcing more and more minorities to get one when they dont need to. Most them dont have a car and dont drive, so why would they need a license. They are also no major problems with voter fruad. If nothing is broken why are you trying to fix it. the world is made of evil white racist republicans thats trying to destory black people.

 

[Foxfyre]

There are many people who do not have a current driver's license. Not everyone owns a car, you know. And many old people do not drive.

Here's one example:
Voter thwarted in Waukesha for lack of ID - JSOnline

The sad thing about that particular case of a registered American citizen voter not being allowed to vote is that the Voter ID law wasn't even in effect yet, but she was still asked for Voter ID and did not have one, so she was not allowed to vote.


You already have to prove your citizenship and eligibility to vote when you register to vote. Voter ID is a solution looking for a problem. Proper management of the registered voter rolls would eliminate/catch all voter fraud. In over two centuries of voting in America, there is not one case of fraud which could not be solved or caught by proper voter registration management.

Therefore, one can only conclude that since Voter ID is unnecessary for the purpose of ensuring only authorized American citizens vote, then its TRUE purpose is obviously something else.

Don't drink the bongwater.

But currently people are voting for weeks ahead of the election at all sorts of places, and if they happen to not be on the roster, they are allowed to vote anyway. There is far too much opportunity to vote twice, to vote under assumed names, to shift whole voting blocks to a different precinct to ensure the election of some favored somebody, to vote for the dead, etc. etc. etc. UNLESS some effort is made to verify the identiy of the person voting.

If the 'old folks' can produce the necessary identification to sign up for their social security checks, to establish membership at the Senior Citizens center, or even get into the local courthouse, it is not an imposition for them to provide the same identification to vote.

Voting is a RIGHT, not a privilege. As long as affidavits are AVAILABLE, it should not be a large problem. But I had to cast a PROVISIONAL ballot in 2002 because my photo ID address differed from the roll address. WHY SHOULD ANYONE JUMP THROUGH HOOPS to exercise a RIGHT?

Because your rights come with reponsibility and your rights do not trump anybody else's right to a fair and honest election. If we went back to the old system, the waiting period between registration and election day was to allow you do deal with the very issue of a vhanged address. It gave you time to produce proof of your current address and get it changed on the roll. And it was expected that it was the duty of every citizen who expected to vote to be able to do so. If there wasn't time to get the address changed, then you would have to go back to your old precinct to vote however unhandy that might be. It underscored the serious obligation involved in casting your vote as a U.S. citizen.

The right to vote is a right so long as reasonable rules and regulations to ensure an honest vgte are followed. It should never be denied to any citizen who is willing to follow reasonable rules and regulation. It should not be a right to sidestep them.

 

[Peach]

But currently people are voting for weeks ahead of the election at all sorts of places, and if they happen to not be on the roster, they are allowed to vote anyway. There is far too much opportunity to vote twice, to vote under assumed names, to shift whole voting blocks to a different precinct to ensure the election of some favored somebody, to vote for the dead, etc. etc. etc. UNLESS some effort is made to verify the identiy of the person voting.

If the 'old folks' can produce the necessary identification to sign up for their social security checks, to establish membership at the Senior Citizens center, or even get into the local courthouse, it is not an imposition for them to provide the same identification to vote.

Voting is a RIGHT, not a privilege. As long as affidavits are AVAILABLE, it should not be a large problem. But I had to cast a PROVISIONAL ballot in 2002 because my photo ID address differed from the roll address. WHY SHOULD ANYONE JUMP THROUGH HOOPS to exercise a RIGHT?

Because your rights come with reponsibility and your rights do not trump anybody elese's right to a fair and honest election. If we went back to the old system, the waiting period between registration and election day was to allow you do deal with the very issue of a vhanged address. It gave you time to produce proof of your current address and get it changed on the roll. And it was expected that it was the duty of every citizen who expected to vote to be able to do so.

The right to vote is a right so long as reasonable rules and regulations to ensure an honest vogte are followed. It should never be denied to any citizen who is willing to follow reasonable rules and regulation. It should not be a right to sidestep them.

Rules & regulations: SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS! I knew of a disabled woman, MY MOTHER, who had no photo ID, and a friend with a suspended license. WHY should VOTING be a task? Those masses of illegal voters exist only in the minds of those who want to suppress our foremost right, the RIGHT to vote.

 

[Trajan]

First - please try to avoid partisan tripe when replying, I am looking for honest answers here..

So with the voter ID issue, its being claimed that poor/miniorities will be "disenfranchised" and prevented from voting since they some how get through life without an ID...

First off, how do you get through life without a driver's license --- driving, getting services many places, buying alcohol, etc all require it.

Also, people are comparing it to a poll tax as you have to pay for the ID, but honestly the IDs are under $10 and if you are so poor you cant afford $10 every 4 years to renew a license then you likely are on government subsidised living, which requires ID to get the associated service.

I honestly just don't understand the oppisition.

I won't go there, just say;


I read a blurb the other day dealing with Social Security payments, the present admin. are pushing hard to get everyone on direct deposit or debit type cards.

I applaud their use of more efficient and resource friendly methods of delivery, and we both know that in order to open a bank account, you need ID ( 2 at least) and in order to get access to their cards and use them, same....so, it appears to me that just about every avenue of willfully forgoing an ID is dieing.

I would think ID to vote would be a natural as well and the 'trouble' involved in getting one for those payments and the mechanism to receive those payments, is exactly the same. So making excuses for not having one sounds like a really difficult argument to make....

 

[Trajan]

Voting is a RIGHT, not a privilege. As long as affidavits are AVAILABLE, it should not be a large problem. But I had to cast a PROVISIONAL ballot in 2002 because my photo ID address differed from the roll address. WHY SHOULD ANYONE JUMP THROUGH HOOPS to exercise a RIGHT?

Because your rights come with reponsibility and your rights do not trump anybody elese's right to a fair and honest election. If we went back to the old system, the waiting period between registration and election day was to allow you do deal with the very issue of a vhanged address. It gave you time to produce proof of your current address and get it changed on the roll. And it was expected that it was the duty of every citizen who expected to vote to be able to do so.

The right to vote is a right so long as reasonable rules and regulations to ensure an honest vogte are followed. It should never be denied to any citizen who is willing to follow reasonable rules and regulation. It should not be a right to sidestep them.

Rules & regulations: SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS! I knew of a disabled woman, MY MOTHER, who had no photo ID, and a friend with a suspended license. WHY should VOTING be a task? Those masses of illegal voters exist only in the minds of those who want to suppress our foremost right, the RIGHT to vote.

I don't know, last week a guy was offered Eric Holders ballot at a polling place and, he wasn't Eric Holder, he didn't look like him etc etc ....and see my post above....

 

[SniperFire]

I honestly just don't understand the oppisition.

It is demagoguery.

It is about mobilizing minorities and convincing them whitey is out to get them unless they vote for democrats.


Been going on a long, long time now.

Look what they do to black people who dare to think for themselves and step foot off the plantation.

 

[kwc57]

Voter ID laws are being put on the books around the country, in states with Republican administrations, for just one purpose. They are there to discourage the poor and otherwise disadvantaged from voting, to make it harder to them to have their voice in society. This is being done despite the fact that there have been fewer cases of voter fraud at the polling place in this country in the last decade than there have been cases of Jay-walking. The reason this is being done by Republicans is that they clearly understand that those people who are least able to obtain the proscribed ID are the most likely to vote for Democrats.

If the Republican have their way we will all end up as feudal peasants, it is the GOP dream; a very few of them lording over the vast majority of us.

I'll have to call bullshit on your post. How do you think poor people register for government hanfouts? How about government housing? How about government run medicare or daycare? They don't just cut people a check, give them keys to a house or apartment or care for their children unless they know who they are. Getting a photo ID is one of the easiest things you can do. I helped take over 100 Boy Scouts aged 12 to 18from Oklahoma to Fort AP Hill in Virginia to the National Boy Scout Jamboree in 2005 and 2010. We flew on planes to get there and then had to enter the military base for the Jamboree. Do you think the airlines or the Army just took our word that we were who we said we were without a photo ID........even the 12 year olds? I can assure you they did not. For every kid who was not 16 who had a drivers lisence, their parent took them to the DMV and obtained a state issued photo ID for $10.

Unless you are a metally ill homeless person sleeping in a box and eating out of garbage cans, you can not function in society without ID.

There is only one reason people are against voter ID, FRAUD. Oh, there are a lot of sheeple like you out there that buy into the bullshit stories your politicians and the media feed you about the poor and "disenfranchised" not being able to obtain ID, but it's not true.