not understanding the voter ID issue...

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    First - please try to avoid partisan tripe when replying, I am looking for honest answers here..

    So with the voter ID issue, its being claimed that poor/miniorities will be "disenfranchised" and prevented from voting since they some how get through life without an ID...

    First off, how do you get through life without a driver's license --- driving, getting services many places, buying alcohol, etc all require it.

    Also, people are comparing it to a poll tax as you have to pay for the ID, but honestly the IDs are under $10 and if you are so poor you cant afford $10 every 4 years to renew a license then you likely are on government subsidised living, which requires ID to get the associated service.

    I honestly just don't understand the oppisition.
     
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    Honestly, it's because Democcrats depend on illegal voters. You can't cash a check without ID. You can't get on a plane without ID. You can't drive a car without ID. You can't enroll your kid in school without ID. There are very, very few people who do not have ID. The reason the left gets all bent out of shape over requiring ID to vote is because they fear losing votes of people gaming the system.
     
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    Voter ID laws are being put on the books around the country, in states with Republican administrations, for just one purpose. They are there to discourage the poor and otherwise disadvantaged from voting, to make it harder to them to have their voice in society. This is being done despite the fact that there have been fewer cases of voter fraud at the polling place in this country in the last decade than there have been cases of Jay-walking. The reason this is being done by Republicans is that they clearly understand that those people who are least able to obtain the proscribed ID are the most likely to vote for Democrats.

    If the Republican have their way we will all end up as feudal peasants, it is the GOP dream; a very few of them lording over the vast majority of us.
     
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    how can someone not get an ID? I really don't understand that part
     
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    How can they not have an ID? Good question. Let us say that the person in question is a destitute single parent, make it a woman. Now let's put her downtown in a big city, one with a crummy public transportation system. So she hasn't got any money, hasn't got a car, and if there was a bus she couldn't afford to pay a babysitter while she took the half a day to go get the ID - whioch is what it would take at a minumum if public transportation has to be involved. Then let the state's DMV handle the ID issuing and put all of the DMV offices way out in the suburbs. In fact while you are at it close a couple of them, and concentrate the closings in areas that are heavily populated by Democrats. That is how its being done right this minute in Wisconsin. So now you know.
     
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    Because they are here illegally. Maybe the democrats could start a charity to raise money to help the poor disenfranchised voters and make sure they have an ID. There are approximately 169,000,000 voting age people in this country and probably 1% of them don't have IDs so we could get them all IDs for 10 bucks a pop. Warren Buffet wants to pay more why doesn't he just pay for this instead? It would only take about 1.7 million dollars. Surely you could raise that much right?
     
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    Don't you get the least bit embarrassed writing something like what I've quoted here?

    I for one would absolutely like to see the voter registration be tightened back up to the point it was 50 or 60 years ago, when mostly DEMOCRATS, without objections from Republicans, put a system into effect to protect the integrity of the system and ensure that those entitled to vote could vote.

    Those rules included getting your butt down to the City Clerk's office to register anywhere from two to six weeks prior to the election. It was felt that those who deserved to vote would make the effort to do that. And yes, you did have to show ID of some form--a driver's license, a birth certificate, or a utility bill--something to verify that you lived at the address you claimed and were eligible to vote. And your registration included an affidavit that you were using your right name and address.

    Those rules included having your name on a list of registered voters at an assigned precinct. There were no provisions for early voting or voting anywhere you felt like it or voting if your name was not on the list, you didn't vote. If you protested, they would take a provisional ballot and check it out. But that was extremely rare involving a very few people, not the hundreds and thousands that utilize that provision now.

    The 'poor' and 'disadvantaged' are full citizens of the USA as much as anybody else, and are therefore subject to the same rules and requirements and right to vote as anybody else. They are not entitled to do so without fulfilling the same requirements to show eligibility as everybody else. Or they shouldn't be.

    Why in the world would anybody want to compromise the integrity of such a sacred privilege as the right to vote for how we will spend the people's money and/or the right to choose those who will represent us in government? For what purpose do you make it possible for an ineligible person to vote unless it is for dishonest reasons?
     
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    There are many people who do not have a current driver's license. Not everyone owns a car, you know. And many old people do not drive.

    Here's one example:
    Voter thwarted in Waukesha for lack of ID - JSOnline

    The sad thing about that particular case of a registered American citizen voter not being allowed to vote is that the Voter ID law wasn't even in effect yet, but she was still asked for Voter ID and did not have one, so she was not allowed to vote. Even if she had brought her driver's license, it was expired, so she would still have been denied if Voter ID law was in effect.

    Bogus treatment of an American citizen.


    You already have to prove your citizenship and eligibility to vote when you register to vote.

    Voter ID is a solution looking for a problem. Proper management of the registered voter rolls would eliminate/catch all voter fraud. If dead people are voting, that can only be possible because their names have not been removed from the voter rolls. Voter ID won't remove dead people from the rolls. So the obvious solution is to clean up and properly maintain the rolls. If people truly cared about voter fraud involving dead people voting, they would be screaming at the registrars to do their jobs, not calling for Voter ID. If a registrar is not keeping accurate records, how well are they going to manage an additional requirement?

    In over two centuries of voting in America, there is not one case of fraud which could not be solved or caught by proper voter registration management.

    Therefore, one can only conclude that since Voter ID is unnecessary for the purpose of ensuring only authorized American citizens vote, then its TRUE purpose is obviously something else. It is very strange to hear UnConservatives calling for new and unneccessary laws. That's the job description of liberals, not conservatives. So Voter ID does not pass the smell test.


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    But currently people are voting for weeks ahead of the election at all sorts of places, and if they happen to not be on the roster, they are allowed to vote anyway. There is far too much opportunity to vote twice, to vote under assumed names, to shift whole voting blocks to a different precinct to ensure the election of some favored somebody, to vote for the dead, etc. etc. etc. UNLESS some effort is made to verify the identiy of the person voting.

    If the 'old folks' can produce the necessary identification to sign up for their social security checks, to establish membership at the Senior Citizens center, or even get into the local courthouse, it is not an imposition for them to provide the same identification to vote.
     

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