Not our finest hour.....CIA torture exposed

[theHawk]

All the CIA does these days is interfere in elections, propagate propaganda, run drugs, and Assassinate people.

Are you sure you want to open a dialog about the CIA? Let's talk about it then. The CIA has a pop-culture reputation thanks to Hollywood but that' about it. The CIA hasn't been on top of any significant event since WW2. JFK used the CIA to raise an invasion army and LBJ disregarded the Military leadership and let the CIA's college idiot analysts run the Vietnam War. Where was the CIA focus when 9-11 terrorists were attending flight school in freaking Florida? With all it's resources and secret budget the CIA couldn't uncover the culprit who "outed"a former agent turned socialite. The CIA blamed the (republican) president but it was columnist Robert Novak.

They sound like Democrats.

 

[Muhammed]

America used to be the good guys

Bad guys should be afraid of being tortured by the good guys.

Good guys don’t torture
We used to be one of the good guys

Good guys torture bad guys like you.

 

[rightwinger]

CIA used this prisoner as a means to try out its torture methods. Problem is, he was not actually in AlQaeda



'I felt like I was going to die': A harrowing look into CIA torture from the eyes of a detainee

Seton Hall report depicts CIA detainee in graphic drawings of torture

So he wasn’t a “high ranking” member of AQ....just a low or medium one?

Is there anything to back up this story besides what a terrorist and his lawyer are claiming?

So he wasn’t a “high ranking” member of AQ....just a low or medium one?

Is there anything to back up this story besides what a terrorist and his lawyer are claiming?

Is there anything that would justify his torture?

Abu Zubaydah - Wikipedia

"During his time in CIA custody, Zubaydah was extensively interrogated; he was water-boarded 83 times[3] and subjected to numerous other torture techniques including forced nudity, sleep deprivation, confinement in small dark boxes, deprivation of solid food, stress positions, and physical assaults.[4]

"Videotapes of some of Zubaydah's interrogations are amongst those destroyed by the CIA in 2005.[5][6][7][8]

"Zubaydah and ten other 'high-value detainees' were transferred to Guantanamo in September 2006.

"He and other former CIA detainees are held in Camp 7, where conditions are the most isolating.

"At his Combatant Status Review Tribunal in 2007, Zubaydah said he was told that the CIA realized he was not significant."

All of your sources are the terrorist himself.

You may love terrorists because you hate America just as much as they do, the rest of us will pass on believing anything this Muslim has to say.

All of your sources are the terrorist himself.

You may love terrorists because you hate America just as much as they do,

Zubaydah has never been tried much less convicted of terrorism, and he certainly didn't destroy evidence of his torture, did he?

Abu Zubaydah - Wikipedia

"Videotapes of some of Zubaydah's interrogations are amongst those destroyed by the CIA in 2005."

Did you vote for these terrorists?

It’s call war, jackass. Do we have trials for everyone we drop bombs on?

Did the victims of 9/11 get trials by Islamic Terrorists?

Yes, other than what our president says, we have standards of conduct for our military

 

[rightwinger]

America used to be the good guys

Bad guys should be afraid of being tortured by the good guys.

Good guys don’t torture
We used to be one of the good guys

Good guys torture bad guys like you.

You torture all of us

 

[gipper]

So he wasn’t a “high ranking” member of AQ....just a low or medium one?

Is there anything to back up this story besides what a terrorist and his lawyer are claiming?

So he wasn’t a “high ranking” member of AQ....just a low or medium one?

Is there anything to back up this story besides what a terrorist and his lawyer are claiming?

Is there anything that would justify his torture?

Abu Zubaydah - Wikipedia

"During his time in CIA custody, Zubaydah was extensively interrogated; he was water-boarded 83 times[3] and subjected to numerous other torture techniques including forced nudity, sleep deprivation, confinement in small dark boxes, deprivation of solid food, stress positions, and physical assaults.[4]

"Videotapes of some of Zubaydah's interrogations are amongst those destroyed by the CIA in 2005.[5][6][7][8]

"Zubaydah and ten other 'high-value detainees' were transferred to Guantanamo in September 2006.

"He and other former CIA detainees are held in Camp 7, where conditions are the most isolating.

"At his Combatant Status Review Tribunal in 2007, Zubaydah said he was told that the CIA realized he was not significant."

All of your sources are the terrorist himself.

You may love terrorists because you hate America just as much as they do, the rest of us will pass on believing anything this Muslim has to say.

All of your sources are the terrorist himself.

You may love terrorists because you hate America just as much as they do,

Zubaydah has never been tried much less convicted of terrorism, and he certainly didn't destroy evidence of his torture, did he?

Abu Zubaydah - Wikipedia

"Videotapes of some of Zubaydah's interrogations are amongst those destroyed by the CIA in 2005."

Did you vote for these terrorists?

It’s call war, jackass. Do we have trials for everyone we drop bombs on?

Did the victims of 9/11 get trials by Islamic Terrorists?

Yes, other than what our president says, we have standards of conduct for our military

Torture is a minor issue when you come to realize the US is a warfare state, a police state, and the world’s leader in terrorism.

But, to each his own.

 

[georgephillip]

Are you sure you want to open a dialog about the CIA? Let's talk about it then. The CIA has a pop-culture reputation thanks to Hollywood but that' about it. The CIA hasn't been on top of any significant event since WW2. JFK used the CIA to raise an invasion army and LBJ disregarded the Military leadership and let the CIA's college idiot analysts run the Vietnam War. Where was the CIA focus when 9-11 terrorists were attending flight school in freaking Florida? With all it's resources and secret budget the CIA couldn't uncover the culprit who "outed"a former agent turned socialite. The CIA blamed the (republican) president but it was columnist Robert Novak.

Where was the CIA focus when 9-11 terrorists were attending flight school in freaking Florida? With all it's resources and secret budget the CIA couldn't uncover the culprit who "outed"a former agent turned socialite. The CIA blamed the (republican) president but it was columnist Robert Novak.

By some accounts, the CIA is still conspiring with Saudi Arabia to block investigations into the planning of the attacks:

High-ranking CIA and Saudi officials conspired to bury details about their 9/11 roles, says a new book

'But for hundreds of families and a growing number of former FBI agents, the grief of another 9/11 ceremony will be laced with barely muted rage: There remains a conspiracy of silence among high former U.S. and Saudi officials about the attacks.

"'It's horrible. We still don't know what happened,' said Ali Soufan, one of the lead FBI counterterrorism agents whom the CIA kept in the dark about the movements of the future Al-Qaeda hijackers.

"To Soufan and many other former national security officials, the unanswered questions about the events leading up to the September 11, 2001, attacks dwarf those about the assassination of John F. Kennedy, because '9/11 changed the whole world.' It not only led to the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, the fracturing of the Middle East and the global growth of Islamic militantism but also pushed the U.S. closer to being a virtual homeland-security police state

 

[theHawk]

Are you sure you want to open a dialog about the CIA? Let's talk about it then. The CIA has a pop-culture reputation thanks to Hollywood but that' about it. The CIA hasn't been on top of any significant event since WW2. JFK used the CIA to raise an invasion army and LBJ disregarded the Military leadership and let the CIA's college idiot analysts run the Vietnam War. Where was the CIA focus when 9-11 terrorists were attending flight school in freaking Florida? With all it's resources and secret budget the CIA couldn't uncover the culprit who "outed"a former agent turned socialite. The CIA blamed the (republican) president but it was columnist Robert Novak.

Where was the CIA focus when 9-11 terrorists were attending flight school in freaking Florida? With all it's resources and secret budget the CIA couldn't uncover the culprit who "outed"a former agent turned socialite. The CIA blamed the (republican) president but it was columnist Robert Novak.

By some accounts, the CIA is still conspiring with Saudi Arabia to block investigations into the planning of the attacks:

High-ranking CIA and Saudi officials conspired to bury details about their 9/11 roles, says a new book

'But for hundreds of families and a growing number of former FBI agents, the grief of another 9/11 ceremony will be laced with barely muted rage: There remains a conspiracy of silence among high former U.S. and Saudi officials about the attacks.

"'It's horrible. We still don't know what happened,' said Ali Soufan, one of the lead FBI counterterrorism agents whom the CIA kept in the dark about the movements of the future Al-Qaeda hijackers.

"To Soufan and many other former national security officials, the unanswered questions about the events leading up to the September 11, 2001, attacks dwarf those about the assassination of John F. Kennedy, because '9/11 changed the whole world.' It not only led to the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, the fracturing of the Middle East and the global growth of Islamic militantism but also pushed the U.S. closer to being a virtual homeland-security police state

We should had nuked Mecca and took all of Saudi Arabia and especially its oil fields for our own after 9/11.

 

[georgephillip]

Are you sure you want to open a dialog about the CIA? Let's talk about it then. The CIA has a pop-culture reputation thanks to Hollywood but that' about it. The CIA hasn't been on top of any significant event since WW2. JFK used the CIA to raise an invasion army and LBJ disregarded the Military leadership and let the CIA's college idiot analysts run the Vietnam War. Where was the CIA focus when 9-11 terrorists were attending flight school in freaking Florida? With all it's resources and secret budget the CIA couldn't uncover the culprit who "outed"a former agent turned socialite. The CIA blamed the (republican) president but it was columnist Robert Novak.

Where was the CIA focus when 9-11 terrorists were attending flight school in freaking Florida? With all it's resources and secret budget the CIA couldn't uncover the culprit who "outed"a former agent turned socialite. The CIA blamed the (republican) president but it was columnist Robert Novak.

By some accounts, the CIA is still conspiring with Saudi Arabia to block investigations into the planning of the attacks:

High-ranking CIA and Saudi officials conspired to bury details about their 9/11 roles, says a new book

'But for hundreds of families and a growing number of former FBI agents, the grief of another 9/11 ceremony will be laced with barely muted rage: There remains a conspiracy of silence among high former U.S. and Saudi officials about the attacks.

"'It's horrible. We still don't know what happened,' said Ali Soufan, one of the lead FBI counterterrorism agents whom the CIA kept in the dark about the movements of the future Al-Qaeda hijackers.

"To Soufan and many other former national security officials, the unanswered questions about the events leading up to the September 11, 2001, attacks dwarf those about the assassination of John F. Kennedy, because '9/11 changed the whole world.' It not only led to the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, the fracturing of the Middle East and the global growth of Islamic militantism but also pushed the U.S. closer to being a virtual homeland-security police state

We should had nuked Mecca and took all of Saudi Arabia and especially its oil fields for our own after 9/11.

We should had nuked Mecca and took all of Saudi Arabia and especially its oil fields for our own after 9/11.

You don't think "white supremacy" has wrecked enough havoc across the Middle East?

Many elite Americans aren't "exceptional" as much as they are "greedy."

How Big Oil used Jim Crow to control Saudi Arabia

"In the 1930s, Britain and France still used their direct imperial power to control the nations (and their oil) now known as Iran and Iraq.

"Right before and after World War Two, the Arabian American Oil Company (ARAMCO), supported by the U.S. government, believed that their experience in the U.S. south and Latin America offered a better road map: Jim Crow racial segregation.

"Racially separate and unequal housing, pay scales, drinking fountains, bathrooms, parks, etc. guaranteed workers would stay divided, unable to organize for basic labor rights."

 

[theHawk]

Are you sure you want to open a dialog about the CIA? Let's talk about it then. The CIA has a pop-culture reputation thanks to Hollywood but that' about it. The CIA hasn't been on top of any significant event since WW2. JFK used the CIA to raise an invasion army and LBJ disregarded the Military leadership and let the CIA's college idiot analysts run the Vietnam War. Where was the CIA focus when 9-11 terrorists were attending flight school in freaking Florida? With all it's resources and secret budget the CIA couldn't uncover the culprit who "outed"a former agent turned socialite. The CIA blamed the (republican) president but it was columnist Robert Novak.

Where was the CIA focus when 9-11 terrorists were attending flight school in freaking Florida? With all it's resources and secret budget the CIA couldn't uncover the culprit who "outed"a former agent turned socialite. The CIA blamed the (republican) president but it was columnist Robert Novak.

By some accounts, the CIA is still conspiring with Saudi Arabia to block investigations into the planning of the attacks:

High-ranking CIA and Saudi officials conspired to bury details about their 9/11 roles, says a new book

'But for hundreds of families and a growing number of former FBI agents, the grief of another 9/11 ceremony will be laced with barely muted rage: There remains a conspiracy of silence among high former U.S. and Saudi officials about the attacks.

"'It's horrible. We still don't know what happened,' said Ali Soufan, one of the lead FBI counterterrorism agents whom the CIA kept in the dark about the movements of the future Al-Qaeda hijackers.

"To Soufan and many other former national security officials, the unanswered questions about the events leading up to the September 11, 2001, attacks dwarf those about the assassination of John F. Kennedy, because '9/11 changed the whole world.' It not only led to the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, the fracturing of the Middle East and the global growth of Islamic militantism but also pushed the U.S. closer to being a virtual homeland-security police state

We should had nuked Mecca and took all of Saudi Arabia and especially its oil fields for our own after 9/11.

We should had nuked Mecca and took all of Saudi Arabia and especially its oil fields for our own after 9/11.

You don't think "white supremacy" has wrecked enough havoc across the Middle East?

Many elite Americans aren't "exceptional" as much as they are "greedy."

How Big Oil used Jim Crow to control Saudi Arabia

"In the 1930s, Britain and France still used their direct imperial power to control the nations (and their oil) now known as Iran and Iraq.

"Right before and after World War Two, the Arabian American Oil Company (ARAMCO), supported by the U.S. government, believed that their experience in the U.S. south and Latin America offered a better road map: Jim Crow racial segregation.

"Racially separate and unequal housing, pay scales, drinking fountains, bathrooms, parks, etc. guaranteed workers would stay divided, unable to organize for basic labor rights."

What’s “white supremacy” have to do with it?
They attacked us, we should had destroyed them like we did the Japs and Nazis.

 

[georgephillip]

Are you sure you want to open a dialog about the CIA? Let's talk about it then. The CIA has a pop-culture reputation thanks to Hollywood but that' about it. The CIA hasn't been on top of any significant event since WW2. JFK used the CIA to raise an invasion army and LBJ disregarded the Military leadership and let the CIA's college idiot analysts run the Vietnam War. Where was the CIA focus when 9-11 terrorists were attending flight school in freaking Florida? With all it's resources and secret budget the CIA couldn't uncover the culprit who "outed"a former agent turned socialite. The CIA blamed the (republican) president but it was columnist Robert Novak.

Where was the CIA focus when 9-11 terrorists were attending flight school in freaking Florida? With all it's resources and secret budget the CIA couldn't uncover the culprit who "outed"a former agent turned socialite. The CIA blamed the (republican) president but it was columnist Robert Novak.

By some accounts, the CIA is still conspiring with Saudi Arabia to block investigations into the planning of the attacks:

High-ranking CIA and Saudi officials conspired to bury details about their 9/11 roles, says a new book

'But for hundreds of families and a growing number of former FBI agents, the grief of another 9/11 ceremony will be laced with barely muted rage: There remains a conspiracy of silence among high former U.S. and Saudi officials about the attacks.

"'It's horrible. We still don't know what happened,' said Ali Soufan, one of the lead FBI counterterrorism agents whom the CIA kept in the dark about the movements of the future Al-Qaeda hijackers.

"To Soufan and many other former national security officials, the unanswered questions about the events leading up to the September 11, 2001, attacks dwarf those about the assassination of John F. Kennedy, because '9/11 changed the whole world.' It not only led to the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, the fracturing of the Middle East and the global growth of Islamic militantism but also pushed the U.S. closer to being a virtual homeland-security police state

We should had nuked Mecca and took all of Saudi Arabia and especially its oil fields for our own after 9/11.

We should had nuked Mecca and took all of Saudi Arabia and especially its oil fields for our own after 9/11.

You don't think "white supremacy" has wrecked enough havoc across the Middle East?

Many elite Americans aren't "exceptional" as much as they are "greedy."

How Big Oil used Jim Crow to control Saudi Arabia

"In the 1930s, Britain and France still used their direct imperial power to control the nations (and their oil) now known as Iran and Iraq.

"Right before and after World War Two, the Arabian American Oil Company (ARAMCO), supported by the U.S. government, believed that their experience in the U.S. south and Latin America offered a better road map: Jim Crow racial segregation.

"Racially separate and unequal housing, pay scales, drinking fountains, bathrooms, parks, etc. guaranteed workers would stay divided, unable to organize for basic labor rights."

What’s “white supremacy” have to do with it?
They attacked us, we should had destroyed them like we did the Japs and Nazis.

What’s “white supremacy” have to do with it?
They attacked us, we should had destroyed them like we did the Japs and Nazis.

Are you asking what "white supremacy" has to do with imperialism? What is the white man's oil doing under Saudi soil?

White supremacy - Wikipedia

"Professor Leland T. Saito of the University of Southern California writes: 'Throughout the history of the United States, race has been used by whites for legitimizing and creating difference and social, economic and political exclusion.'[9]

"The Naturalization Act of 1790 limited U.S. citizenship to whites only.[10]"

 

[Votto]

CIA used this prisoner as a means to try out its torture methods. Problem is, he was not actually in AlQaeda



'I felt like I was going to die': A harrowing look into CIA torture from the eyes of a detainee

Seton Hall report depicts CIA detainee in graphic drawings of torture

Turns out he was a Trump supporter.

 

[pknopp]

Are you sure you want to open a dialog about the CIA? Let's talk about it then. The CIA has a pop-culture reputation thanks to Hollywood but that' about it. The CIA hasn't been on top of any significant event since WW2. JFK used the CIA to raise an invasion army and LBJ disregarded the Military leadership and let the CIA's college idiot analysts run the Vietnam War. Where was the CIA focus when 9-11 terrorists were attending flight school in freaking Florida? With all it's resources and secret budget the CIA couldn't uncover the culprit who "outed"a former agent turned socialite. The CIA blamed the (republican) president but it was columnist Robert Novak.

Where was the CIA focus when 9-11 terrorists were attending flight school in freaking Florida? With all it's resources and secret budget the CIA couldn't uncover the culprit who "outed"a former agent turned socialite. The CIA blamed the (republican) president but it was columnist Robert Novak.

By some accounts, the CIA is still conspiring with Saudi Arabia to block investigations into the planning of the attacks:

High-ranking CIA and Saudi officials conspired to bury details about their 9/11 roles, says a new book

'But for hundreds of families and a growing number of former FBI agents, the grief of another 9/11 ceremony will be laced with barely muted rage: There remains a conspiracy of silence among high former U.S. and Saudi officials about the attacks.

"'It's horrible. We still don't know what happened,' said Ali Soufan, one of the lead FBI counterterrorism agents whom the CIA kept in the dark about the movements of the future Al-Qaeda hijackers.

"To Soufan and many other former national security officials, the unanswered questions about the events leading up to the September 11, 2001, attacks dwarf those about the assassination of John F. Kennedy, because '9/11 changed the whole world.' It not only led to the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, the fracturing of the Middle East and the global growth of Islamic militantism but also pushed the U.S. closer to being a virtual homeland-security police state

We should had nuked Mecca and took all of Saudi Arabia and especially its oil fields for our own after 9/11.

We should had nuked Mecca and took all of Saudi Arabia and especially its oil fields for our own after 9/11.

You don't think "white supremacy" has wrecked enough havoc across the Middle East?

Many elite Americans aren't "exceptional" as much as they are "greedy."

How Big Oil used Jim Crow to control Saudi Arabia

"In the 1930s, Britain and France still used their direct imperial power to control the nations (and their oil) now known as Iran and Iraq.

"Right before and after World War Two, the Arabian American Oil Company (ARAMCO), supported by the U.S. government, believed that their experience in the U.S. south and Latin America offered a better road map: Jim Crow racial segregation.

"Racially separate and unequal housing, pay scales, drinking fountains, bathrooms, parks, etc. guaranteed workers would stay divided, unable to organize for basic labor rights."

What’s “white supremacy” have to do with it?
They attacked us, we should had destroyed them like we did the Japs and Nazis.

They retaliated against us. The very thing you think you are advocating for.

 

[theHawk]

Are you sure you want to open a dialog about the CIA? Let's talk about it then. The CIA has a pop-culture reputation thanks to Hollywood but that' about it. The CIA hasn't been on top of any significant event since WW2. JFK used the CIA to raise an invasion army and LBJ disregarded the Military leadership and let the CIA's college idiot analysts run the Vietnam War. Where was the CIA focus when 9-11 terrorists were attending flight school in freaking Florida? With all it's resources and secret budget the CIA couldn't uncover the culprit who "outed"a former agent turned socialite. The CIA blamed the (republican) president but it was columnist Robert Novak.

Where was the CIA focus when 9-11 terrorists were attending flight school in freaking Florida? With all it's resources and secret budget the CIA couldn't uncover the culprit who "outed"a former agent turned socialite. The CIA blamed the (republican) president but it was columnist Robert Novak.

By some accounts, the CIA is still conspiring with Saudi Arabia to block investigations into the planning of the attacks:

High-ranking CIA and Saudi officials conspired to bury details about their 9/11 roles, says a new book

'But for hundreds of families and a growing number of former FBI agents, the grief of another 9/11 ceremony will be laced with barely muted rage: There remains a conspiracy of silence among high former U.S. and Saudi officials about the attacks.

"'It's horrible. We still don't know what happened,' said Ali Soufan, one of the lead FBI counterterrorism agents whom the CIA kept in the dark about the movements of the future Al-Qaeda hijackers.

"To Soufan and many other former national security officials, the unanswered questions about the events leading up to the September 11, 2001, attacks dwarf those about the assassination of John F. Kennedy, because '9/11 changed the whole world.' It not only led to the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, the fracturing of the Middle East and the global growth of Islamic militantism but also pushed the U.S. closer to being a virtual homeland-security police state

We should had nuked Mecca and took all of Saudi Arabia and especially its oil fields for our own after 9/11.

We should had nuked Mecca and took all of Saudi Arabia and especially its oil fields for our own after 9/11.

You don't think "white supremacy" has wrecked enough havoc across the Middle East?

Many elite Americans aren't "exceptional" as much as they are "greedy."

How Big Oil used Jim Crow to control Saudi Arabia

"In the 1930s, Britain and France still used their direct imperial power to control the nations (and their oil) now known as Iran and Iraq.

"Right before and after World War Two, the Arabian American Oil Company (ARAMCO), supported by the U.S. government, believed that their experience in the U.S. south and Latin America offered a better road map: Jim Crow racial segregation.

"Racially separate and unequal housing, pay scales, drinking fountains, bathrooms, parks, etc. guaranteed workers would stay divided, unable to organize for basic labor rights."

What’s “white supremacy” have to do with it?
They attacked us, we should had destroyed them like we did the Japs and Nazis.

What’s “white supremacy” have to do with it?
They attacked us, we should had destroyed them like we did the Japs and Nazis.

Are you asking what "white supremacy" has to do with imperialism? What is the white man's oil doing under Saudi soil?

White supremacy - Wikipedia

"Professor Leland T. Saito of the University of Southern California writes: 'Throughout the history of the United States, race has been used by whites for legitimizing and creating difference and social, economic and political exclusion.'[9]

"The Naturalization Act of 1790 limited U.S. citizenship to whites only.[10]"

Yes normally it’s their oil, and they sell it, we buy it among other nations. Since when is buying natural resources “imperialism”?

You sound like a moronic Marxist mouthpiece.

 

[theHawk]

Are you sure you want to open a dialog about the CIA? Let's talk about it then. The CIA has a pop-culture reputation thanks to Hollywood but that' about it. The CIA hasn't been on top of any significant event since WW2. JFK used the CIA to raise an invasion army and LBJ disregarded the Military leadership and let the CIA's college idiot analysts run the Vietnam War. Where was the CIA focus when 9-11 terrorists were attending flight school in freaking Florida? With all it's resources and secret budget the CIA couldn't uncover the culprit who "outed"a former agent turned socialite. The CIA blamed the (republican) president but it was columnist Robert Novak.

Where was the CIA focus when 9-11 terrorists were attending flight school in freaking Florida? With all it's resources and secret budget the CIA couldn't uncover the culprit who "outed"a former agent turned socialite. The CIA blamed the (republican) president but it was columnist Robert Novak.

By some accounts, the CIA is still conspiring with Saudi Arabia to block investigations into the planning of the attacks:

High-ranking CIA and Saudi officials conspired to bury details about their 9/11 roles, says a new book

'But for hundreds of families and a growing number of former FBI agents, the grief of another 9/11 ceremony will be laced with barely muted rage: There remains a conspiracy of silence among high former U.S. and Saudi officials about the attacks.

"'It's horrible. We still don't know what happened,' said Ali Soufan, one of the lead FBI counterterrorism agents whom the CIA kept in the dark about the movements of the future Al-Qaeda hijackers.

"To Soufan and many other former national security officials, the unanswered questions about the events leading up to the September 11, 2001, attacks dwarf those about the assassination of John F. Kennedy, because '9/11 changed the whole world.' It not only led to the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, the fracturing of the Middle East and the global growth of Islamic militantism but also pushed the U.S. closer to being a virtual homeland-security police state

We should had nuked Mecca and took all of Saudi Arabia and especially its oil fields for our own after 9/11.

We should had nuked Mecca and took all of Saudi Arabia and especially its oil fields for our own after 9/11.

You don't think "white supremacy" has wrecked enough havoc across the Middle East?

Many elite Americans aren't "exceptional" as much as they are "greedy."

How Big Oil used Jim Crow to control Saudi Arabia

"In the 1930s, Britain and France still used their direct imperial power to control the nations (and their oil) now known as Iran and Iraq.

"Right before and after World War Two, the Arabian American Oil Company (ARAMCO), supported by the U.S. government, believed that their experience in the U.S. south and Latin America offered a better road map: Jim Crow racial segregation.

"Racially separate and unequal housing, pay scales, drinking fountains, bathrooms, parks, etc. guaranteed workers would stay divided, unable to organize for basic labor rights."

What’s “white supremacy” have to do with it?
They attacked us, we should had destroyed them like we did the Japs and Nazis.

They retaliated against us. The very thing you think you are advocating for.

Yes we’ll that is human history. Every nation is formed from a result of one tribe beating another. Question is do you want to be on the winning side or losing?

 

[pknopp]

By some accounts, the CIA is still conspiring with Saudi Arabia to block investigations into the planning of the attacks:

High-ranking CIA and Saudi officials conspired to bury details about their 9/11 roles, says a new book

'But for hundreds of families and a growing number of former FBI agents, the grief of another 9/11 ceremony will be laced with barely muted rage: There remains a conspiracy of silence among high former U.S. and Saudi officials about the attacks.

"'It's horrible. We still don't know what happened,' said Ali Soufan, one of the lead FBI counterterrorism agents whom the CIA kept in the dark about the movements of the future Al-Qaeda hijackers.

"To Soufan and many other former national security officials, the unanswered questions about the events leading up to the September 11, 2001, attacks dwarf those about the assassination of John F. Kennedy, because '9/11 changed the whole world.' It not only led to the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, the fracturing of the Middle East and the global growth of Islamic militantism but also pushed the U.S. closer to being a virtual homeland-security police state

We should had nuked Mecca and took all of Saudi Arabia and especially its oil fields for our own after 9/11.

We should had nuked Mecca and took all of Saudi Arabia and especially its oil fields for our own after 9/11.

You don't think "white supremacy" has wrecked enough havoc across the Middle East?

Many elite Americans aren't "exceptional" as much as they are "greedy."

How Big Oil used Jim Crow to control Saudi Arabia

"In the 1930s, Britain and France still used their direct imperial power to control the nations (and their oil) now known as Iran and Iraq.

"Right before and after World War Two, the Arabian American Oil Company (ARAMCO), supported by the U.S. government, believed that their experience in the U.S. south and Latin America offered a better road map: Jim Crow racial segregation.

"Racially separate and unequal housing, pay scales, drinking fountains, bathrooms, parks, etc. guaranteed workers would stay divided, unable to organize for basic labor rights."

What’s “white supremacy” have to do with it?
They attacked us, we should had destroyed them like we did the Japs and Nazis.

They retaliated against us. The very thing you think you are advocating for.

Yes we’ll that is human history. Every nation is formed from a result of one tribe beating another. Question is do you want to be on the winning side or losing?

I want to be on the sidelines. But I will note that you at least did not dispute my point.

 

[WEATHER53]

Unpleasant truth is gotta do real bad things to real bad guys. Back in the safe space freezers snowflakes.

 

[Gdjjr]

Who Spied on Julian Assange?

The British government willingness to let the interview take place is apparently due in part to the Spanish judiciary’s claims that it has obtained an overwhelming amount of documentary and other evidence that demonstrates that Assange is basically telling the truth.

And there is inevitably more to the story. David Morales, who managed the project, reportedly returned from a trip to the United States and told colleagues that the UC Global would henceforth be doing some work “for the dark side” at “another league” level. According to the New York Times, which has examined the documents obtained by El Pais and accepted that they are authentic, “In the court filing, the prosecution asserts that Mr. Morales returned from a security fair in Las Vegas in 2015… He signed a contract with Las Vegas Sands, the casino and resort company of Sheldon Adelson, and the prosecution contends that Mr. Morales passed information about Mr. Assange to security officials at the company, saying it acted as a go-between with the C.I.A.”

Sheldon Adelson is, of course, the single largest source of funding for the Republican Party and is also widely regarded to be a confidant of the Israeli government and of Benjamin Netanyahu personally. UC Global subsequently worked for Adelson, including managing the security of his yacht whenever it was in the Mediterranean.

 

[rightwinger]

Unpleasant truth is gotta do real bad things to real bad guys. Back in the safe space freezers snowflakes.

No you don’t

If you use torture, you are no better than they are

 

[Blues Man]

America used to be the good guys

We were never the good guys

How many Native Americans were slaughtered by Americans
How many Japanese civilians were killed by American nuclear weapons

We didn't get to where we are by being virtuous but by being vicious

 

[Gdjjr]

We didn't get to where we are by being virtuous but by being vicious

And blaming/accusing others of acting savagely first assuming a moral high ground of "they did it first mommy"-