Not much difference between being pro-life and pro-choice

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    I've learned that the views are much more similar in principle than you'd think.

    Most pro-lifers want abortion legal up to a certain point in terms of rape, incest, and if the mother's help is in danger.

    Most pro-choicers want abortion legal up to a certain point in all cases.

    The only differences are in the very small minorities who make up each group. Examples of this are in the pro-life group who oppose abortion even in cases of rape, incest, mothers help and the extremes in the pro-choice group who think abortions should be able to happen at any point in the pregnancy.

    I've all all the crazy rhetoric from both sides like "baby killing", "you're anti-freedom", "you don't care about the baby", "you don't care about the mother" is just silly childish rhetoric said in order to gain some kind of emotion-based reaction.
     
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    The difference is that the supreme court has said the governmental interest in controlling a woman's body doesn't exceed the woman's interest in self-determination until a certain point in the pregnancy. anti choice advocates have zip zero nada respect for that.

    Why don't we start from the premise that government doesn't exist to enforce religious ideology and go on from there?
     
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    I hear ya, I was just talking about the stances of people. Just about everyone wants abortions to be legal, they just want certain stipulations.


    So not really anyone views it as "baby killing", unless they're anti-abortion in ALL cases.
     
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    SCOTUS only good when affirming my personal ethos syndrome
     
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    Politicians are ill-equipped to make medical decisions. Don't ever consider a Supreme Court Justice or their chief above politics.
     
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    I still say the best abortions are those partial birth ones. It's so cool when the tiny babies' little arms and legs get to twitching as something is pushed through their soft skulls into their brains.
     
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    And the good thing is I've never heard a single person voice support for such a thing.
     
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    You're right that most people have somewhat moderate views on abortions policy. A recent poll (Abortion) found only 34% preferring either total legalization or total criminalization of abortions.

    However, my impression has been that among actual pro-life and pro-choice activists, there is very little common ground. There seems to be more acrimony than over pros and antis on other issues like tax policy, war policy, gun control, gay rights, etc.
     
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    in real life? yes. most people want to woman to have control over her body at least up to a certain point. the problem is that the anti-choice activists shriek about the "innocent babies" when there are 10 cells. you can't negotiate with those people. there's no common ground, imo.

    the people who like showing pictures of what they claim are aborted fetuses and think it's ok for doctors who perform abortions to be targeted by the right.. are not rational on this subject.

    as for "stipulations"... whose? yours? mine?l some anti choicer who, at best, thinks a judge should decide if a teenage girl can have "permission" to terminate a pregnancy?

    Roe v Wade IS the "stupulations. Beyond that, government has no right to interject.
     
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    Well said, most don't see the fact that the common ground outweighs the differences.

    Just about everyone I talk to on both sides wants the same number of abortions to happen in this country, zero. We all just feel there's diff strategies to accomplish getting as close to this number as possible.

    Also currently abortion rates are declining steeply, and have been for about 30 years or so.
     

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