Not "me v you"

[Dr Grump]

He was trolling like it was the Olympics, and he was up for the gold in Trolling.

I disagree. He wasn't saying or doing anything offensive towards any poster. He has an opinion, which a lot don't like.

And if that is the standard that has been set (above) then half the members will be locked out in a week...

Is his keyboard broken, and he can't take this up with the admins? I was going to suggest you take it up with the admins, but that's rather ridiculous, since we are all adults.

Yeah, well, he might have.....shrug.

Just seems weird to me....

 

[saveliberty]

Ok, let's go through your rules. Did BL:

No Name Calling - no
No Trolling and/or Troll Threads - no
No Hijacking - no
No Personal Attacks - no
No Neg Repping - no

Unless it was on another thread of course....But I hope it wasn't on this thread because he has not broken any of those rules.

He was trolling like it was the Olympics, and he was up for the gold in Trolling.

I disagree. He wasn't saying or doing anything offensive towards any poster. He has an opinion, which a lot don't like.

And if that is the standard that has been set (above) then half the members will be locked out in a week...

He was trolling and was called on it according to the rules. Maybe you'd better brush up on what that means. This forum is for thoughtful debate. There are a great number of posters who have little desire to do that and they will either not post here or find the door. That is the whole point.

 

[flacaltenn]

It's not Republicans vs Democrats and Paulites vs everybody. This country is in Deep Serious because the government is broken, and there is no use casting blame.

All forms of media buy into casting the other side as 'the enemy,' and they use each of us as ammo against "the opposition."

Taking all of the above as fact - how can we change the status quo.

BDBoop--- you're looking for convienient political excuses for why the economy is shrinking and why the government is not responding. Long and short of it is -- A prez has very little control over the economy. He can encourage tax policy, he can suggest programs, he can twist the arm of the Fed Reserve and he can encourage trade policies.

What he/she can contribute MOST is vision and leadership. And nowhere in the national debate right now is WHAT the business of AMERICA SHOULD be. We are contracting economically because we never directly addressed Globalism. The earth got a lot smaller while we were fighting over Bill Clinton's impeachment and investing heavily in failed "internet superhiway startups". There is no fencing high enough to fix that.

We desparately need to build a world class technical capability where capital can flow to NEW aggressive companies that will REQUIRE American high skilled labor. All levels of jobs flow from that.

We desparately need a 21st century education system where we ENCOURAGE high performing students by EXPANDING virtual education and advanced course material while ending the racist garbage of low expectations.

We desparately need to encourage 21st Century manufacturing technology and sell it to the rest of the world. Need to recapture the lead in artifical intelligience, robotics, material science, bioscience, and logistics.

NONE of this is a political problem except for the barriers that are in the way of folks IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR who can fix all these things. That giant "sucking sound" that Perot talked about has been going on for years now. And while we continue to argue about REPs and DEMs, our kids are looking at a special kind of socialist redistribution where OUR quality of life is redistributed to the rest of the world.

Where in this election cycle are you hearing any politician lay it out that way? Where are the media stories about the drought in New tech IPOs of any quality? Where is the outrage over kids whose lives are being compromised by a dysfunctional public school system?

We're distracted, flabby, and politics has turned this nation into a nursery full of beggars and whiners. Especially corporations who would rather PRETEND they're green and be hand fed -- then do REAL work and go hunt their own food.

Please don't tell me what I'm looking for.

I was wondering why your post sounded so familiar and then I realized - that's what Obama said when he wrote the AJA bill.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2l2DtomxTo]President Obama Presents American Jobs Act - YouTube[/ame]

There really is no point discussing your questions if you ALREADY have determined the answers -0-- Is there BDB? You want an echo chamber don'tcha?

And Obama doesn't have a clue what to do about Globalism or to encourage NEW IPO creation or CUT corporate welfare..

I'd be glad to correct your assumptions that he does -- if you weren't so focused on selling a single message for political points. This experiment is pretty well over ain't it?

Just tell everyone the answers you wanted and we can all call it a day..

 

[Dr Grump]

He was trolling like it was the Olympics, and he was up for the gold in Trolling.

I disagree. He wasn't saying or doing anything offensive towards any poster. He has an opinion, which a lot don't like.

And if that is the standard that has been set (above) then half the members will be locked out in a week...

He was trolling and was called on it according to the rules. Maybe you'd better brush up on what that means. This forum is for thoughtful debate. There are a great number of posters who have little desire to do that and they will either not post here or find the door. That is the whole point.

Really? What is the difference between his post and Flatscann's 103 post? Take your time. This will be interesting...

 

[Foxfyre]

I meant big money in government pockets and vice-versa. Lobbying, bribing, etc. I don't think our House and Senate is near as pure as the vast majority of Americans would like to believe.

Lobbying is a big problem when it is used to buy votes. They oughta make it a crime.

Oh wait.

It is a crime.

But as bad as that problem is, it's not the major problem we are confronting. Not nearly.

Would you start a thread on "The major problem we are confronting," please?

I already did in my New Emancipation Proclamation thread. Or at least I offer a cure for what I see is the major problem we are confronting there.

In my opinion, that one resolution limiting what the federal government would be allowed to spend money on would cure 90% of the problems that we have:

1. Partisanship would again be no worse than differences of opinion on how to solve a problem both sides want solved.
2. Corporate welfare would no longer exist.
3. Lobbying would be perfectly legal but few would be doing it because there would be little profit in doing it.
4. Campaign contributions in any amount would be perfectly legal, but wouldn't buy the contributors a single advantage.
5. And career politicians would go find some other way to make a living, because we would take away their ability to enrich themselves at our expense, and we would again have citizen public servants in public office.

Of course message boards might become much less popular because there would be much less for us all to fuss and fume about.

 

[Dr Grump]

Lobbying is a big problem when it is used to buy votes. They oughta make it a crime.

Oh wait.

It is a crime.

But as bad as that problem is, it's not the major problem we are confronting. Not nearly.

Would you start a thread on "The major problem we are confronting," please?

I already did in my New Emancipation Proclamation thread. Or at least I offer a cure for what I see is the major problem we are confronting there.

In my opinion, that one resolution limiting what the federal government would be allowed to spend money on would cure 90% of the problems that we have:

1. Partisanship would again be no worse than differences of opinion on how to solve a problem both sides want solved.
2. Corporate welfare would no longer exist.
3. Lobbying would be perfectly legal but few would be doing it because there would be little profit in doing it.
4. Campaign contributions in any amount would be perfectly legal, but wouldn't buy the contributors a single advantage.
5. And career politicians would go find some other way to make a living, because we would take away their ability to enrich themselves at our expense, and we would again have citizen public servants in public office.

Of course message boards might become much less popular because there would be much less for us all to fuss and fume about.

You make an interesting point, but I would get rid of donations all together. All political parties with a certain number of signed up members get the same amount of money to run a campaign from the public purse. Then they can concentrate on policy and not trying to appease their donors...and wasting time talking lobbyists...

 

[Foxfyre]

Would you start a thread on "The major problem we are confronting," please?

I already did in my New Emancipation Proclamation thread. Or at least I offer a cure for what I see is the major problem we are confronting there.

In my opinion, that one resolution limiting what the federal government would be allowed to spend money on would cure 90% of the problems that we have:

1. Partisanship would again be no worse than differences of opinion on how to solve a problem both sides want solved.
2. Corporate welfare would no longer exist.
3. Lobbying would be perfectly legal but few would be doing it because there would be little profit in doing it.
4. Campaign contributions in any amount would be perfectly legal, but wouldn't buy the contributors a single advantage.
5. And career politicians would go find some other way to make a living, because we would take away their ability to enrich themselves at our expense, and we would again have citizen public servants in public office.

Of course message boards might become much less popular because there would be much less for us all to fuss and fume about.

You make an interesting point, but I would get rid of donations all together. All political parties with a certain number of signed up members get the same amount of money to run a campaign from the public purse. Then they can concentrate on policy and not trying to appease their donors...and wasting time talking lobbyists...

If the donors can't buy anything with their donations, why would the amount of the donation matter? Why should we the tax payer be obligated to support somebody's campaign we have no intention of voting for?

 

[Dr Grump]

I already did in my New Emancipation Proclamation thread. Or at least I offer a cure for what I see is the major problem we are confronting there.

In my opinion, that one resolution limiting what the federal government would be allowed to spend money on would cure 90% of the problems that we have:

1. Partisanship would again be no worse than differences of opinion on how to solve a problem both sides want solved.
2. Corporate welfare would no longer exist.
3. Lobbying would be perfectly legal but few would be doing it because there would be little profit in doing it.
4. Campaign contributions in any amount would be perfectly legal, but wouldn't buy the contributors a single advantage.
5. And career politicians would go find some other way to make a living, because we would take away their ability to enrich themselves at our expense, and we would again have citizen public servants in public office.

Of course message boards might become much less popular because there would be much less for us all to fuss and fume about.

You make an interesting point, but I would get rid of donations all together. All political parties with a certain number of signed up members get the same amount of money to run a campaign from the public purse. Then they can concentrate on policy and not trying to appease their donors...and wasting time talking lobbyists...

If the donors can't buy anything with their donations, why would the amount of the donation matter? Why should we the tax payer be obligated to support somebody's campaign we have no intention of voting for?

Well, if you voted for a party you would be supporting somebody. But donors are buying things, why do you think they donate.

I've said this once before and I'll say it again. In the US, when lobbyists give money to political parties it's called freedom of speech. When lobbyists do it in Malaysia, or the Philippines or some third world shit hole in South America or Africa, it's called bribary....

 

[Peach]

This country has survived worse than 2012. From a historic perspective, we're actually doing considerably better than we have at many periods of time. For instance, no one has shot the secretary of the treasury in a duel recently. We aren't involved in a civil war. There's no slavery. No Indian folks walking the trail of tears, either. Our violent crime rate is at the lowest levels since 1978.

Having a hard time figuring out what we should all be panicking and gnashing our teeth about.

No new unnecessary wars since Bush II either. I doubt Romney will want to play soldier either.