Not enough money to help Americans, but more than enough to put troops all over the world?

[Oldstyle]

So your solution to the lack of success getting rid of poverty after fifty years of the "War on Poverty" is to throw more tax dollars at the problem? You also want to force companies to pay more in wages? And you think doing those two things will get rid of poverty? You didn't take economics in college, Odium...did you?

Don't need economics when you use common sense. People are born in a hole and when they try to get out of that hole they dig a deeper hole that eventually collapses on them thus putting them in deeper poverty.Give everyone an equal chance and it will be fine. The can afford to pay CEO'S millions they can afford to pay every worker an annual wage of 40k.

I'm going to use a little of your "common sense" to show why your simple solution doesn't work, Odium...

Let's say I do pay every worker a wage of at least 40 thousand! I used to pay my entry level workers a wage of about 20 thousand so I'm doubling their wages. So what do the people who have gotten some job skills and progressed a few levels higher than entry level going to say when an entry level person now makes the same amount of money as they do? Common sense tells us that those people will be VERY unhappy unless their wages are raised a corresponding amount as well. They are going to say since you doubled the wages for the starting people then you should double mine as well. I've put in my time...I've learned job skills to get a promotion and a raise...why shouldn't I be making more than someone who just started! And if you give those people a big raise to keep them happy then their supervisor is going to go "Whoa...hold on there...how come they got raises and I didn't!!!" So you've got to bump them as well...

See where this is going? You end up raising everyone's wages. Labor costs go through the roof. Prices for goods and services naturally have to be raised to pay those new higher labor costs. Higher prices lead to inflation. Inflation leads to a shrinking of disposable income. So what have you accomplished?

That's not anyones problem but the companies paying slave wages. They will adapt or sink.

If you raise the entry level pay in this country to $40,000 then trust me...it's becomes EVERYONE'S problem!

I gave you a rather detailed explanation of the problem that would occur when you force a raise for the bottom rung of the labor wage "ladder"...but you didn't address it. How do you keep from having to raise everyone's wages?

Like I said in the beginning its gonna be hard. That's not the governments fault. EVERY person should be given a wage they can raise a family on. Blame the corporations who refused to pay wages high enough. The government should have more say so in wages and who gets raises etc once this is instituted. Between the capitalist swine that will leave and others that will leave for the hell of it there wont be a problem. If there is a problem we let them know the government had to take action to make sure everyone was given an equal chance but from now on EVERYONE will not only have a livable wage but a chance to advance. The old system doesn't work. Those that whine let them leave...fuck em.Its whats best for the common good.

In the beginning it's going to be "hard"? That's your come back to the very real problem your scenario is going to run head long into just as soon as you implement your new $40,000 minimum wage? Come on, Odium...surely you have a better answer for me then it's going to be "hard"? That's pathetic...

 

[Oldstyle]

And explain why even an entry level job should be one that you can raise a family on? You shouldn't be having a family if you can't afford to support them! I'm sorry but that's about as "common sense" as it gets! Entry level jobs are designed to be bridges to higher paying jobs...you get them to learn basic job skills and then you use those new job skills to get a better job.

 

[Iceweasel]

Like I said in the beginning its gonna be hard. That's not the governments fault. EVERY person should be given a wage they can raise a family on. Blame the corporations who refused to pay wages high enough. The government should have more say so in wages and who gets raises etc once this is instituted. Between the capitalist swine that will leave and others that will leave for the hell of it there wont be a problem. If there is a problem we let them know the government had to take action to make sure everyone was given an equal chance but from now on EVERYONE will not only have a livable wage but a chance to advance. The old system doesn't work. Those that whine let them leave...fuck em.Its whats best for the common good.

What a baby. You want to force someone that builds a business to supply a lifelong nipple into your gaping yap because you think you're entitled to it. Fuck you. Go start your own business you spineless parasite!

The opportunity is out there for people with backbones, foreigners come here barely speaking the language and make it. You obviously can't. Boohoo.

 

[Preacher]

Like I said in the beginning its gonna be hard. That's not the governments fault. EVERY person should be given a wage they can raise a family on. Blame the corporations who refused to pay wages high enough. The government should have more say so in wages and who gets raises etc once this is instituted. Between the capitalist swine that will leave and others that will leave for the hell of it there wont be a problem. If there is a problem we let them know the government had to take action to make sure everyone was given an equal chance but from now on EVERYONE will not only have a livable wage but a chance to advance. The old system doesn't work. Those that whine let them leave...fuck em.Its whats best for the common good.

What a baby. You want to force someone that builds a business to supply a lifelong nipple into your gaping yap because you think you're entitled to it. Fuck you. Go start your own business you spineless parasite!

The opportunity is out there for people with backbones, foreigners come here barely speaking the language and make it. You obviously can't. Boohoo.

Whine all you want. Its a human right to be able to afford the simple things in life. In fact the pursuit of happiness means a decent livable wage. The corporations won't do it themselves so they must be forced to do it. Tough luck.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Ultimately, Iraq is important to US because of Oil. We are too dependent on foreign oil. The Left's solution is for US to reduce our consumption of Oil at all costs.... even if it means hurting our economy. With such a hit to our Economy, how are we going to pay for everything The Left wants us to pay for?

 

[Iceweasel]

Like I said in the beginning its gonna be hard. That's not the governments fault. EVERY person should be given a wage they can raise a family on. Blame the corporations who refused to pay wages high enough. The government should have more say so in wages and who gets raises etc once this is instituted. Between the capitalist swine that will leave and others that will leave for the hell of it there wont be a problem. If there is a problem we let them know the government had to take action to make sure everyone was given an equal chance but from now on EVERYONE will not only have a livable wage but a chance to advance. The old system doesn't work. Those that whine let them leave...fuck em.Its whats best for the common good.

What a baby. You want to force someone that builds a business to supply a lifelong nipple into your gaping yap because you think you're entitled to it. Fuck you. Go start your own business you spineless parasite!

The opportunity is out there for people with backbones, foreigners come here barely speaking the language and make it. You obviously can't. Boohoo.

Whine all you want. Its a human right to be able to afford the simple things in life. In fact the pursuit of happiness means a decent livable wage. The corporations won't do it themselves so they must be forced to do it. Tough luck.

I didn't whine, I make my own way. I don't feel like I have the right to attach myself to someone else's success. You obviously want a host to feed off of regardless of your worth.

The Constitution says no such thing. The right to pursue is not the right to have. You're too fucking stupid for more than grunt work. That's why you'll never make 40k a year. Not greed. Worth!

 

[Preacher]

Like I said in the beginning its gonna be hard. That's not the governments fault. EVERY person should be given a wage they can raise a family on. Blame the corporations who refused to pay wages high enough. The government should have more say so in wages and who gets raises etc once this is instituted. Between the capitalist swine that will leave and others that will leave for the hell of it there wont be a problem. If there is a problem we let them know the government had to take action to make sure everyone was given an equal chance but from now on EVERYONE will not only have a livable wage but a chance to advance. The old system doesn't work. Those that whine let them leave...fuck em.Its whats best for the common good.

What a baby. You want to force someone that builds a business to supply a lifelong nipple into your gaping yap because you think you're entitled to it. Fuck you. Go start your own business you spineless parasite!

The opportunity is out there for people with backbones, foreigners come here barely speaking the language and make it. You obviously can't. Boohoo.

Whine all you want. Its a human right to be able to afford the simple things in life. In fact the pursuit of happiness means a decent livable wage. The corporations won't do it themselves so they must be forced to do it. Tough luck.

I didn't whine, I make my own way. I don't feel like I have the right to attach myself to someone else's success. You obviously want a host to feed off of regardless of your worth.

The Constitution says no such thing. The right to pursue is not the right to have. You're too fucking stupid for more than grunt work. That's why you'll never make 40k a year. Not greed. Worth!

1. ANYONE that works should be paid enough to live without government help
2.Human Beings are not products they are PEOPLE they aren't to be used as "worth". PERIOD.

 

[Iceweasel]

1. ANYONE that works should be paid enough to live without government help
2.Human Beings are not products they are PEOPLE they aren't to be used as "worth". PERIOD.

I didn't say humans were products, I called you a leech. And I didn't say people were entitled to government help. If they are able bodied they need to work and they should only make what someone is willing to pay. You don't understand our Constitution. We can look at Cuba for how your scenario plays out.

 

[Preacher]

1. ANYONE that works should be paid enough to live without government help
2.Human Beings are not products they are PEOPLE they aren't to be used as "worth". PERIOD.

I didn't say humans were products, I called you a leech. And I didn't say people were entitled to government help. If they are able bodied they need to work and they should only make what someone is willing to pay. You don't understand our Constitution. We can look at Cuba for how your scenario plays out.

That's the problem. You think people are inherently good and will actually pay people a decent wage. I don't and the world today is proof I am correct. It takes force unfortunately.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Democrats pay people to stay in poverty and vote Democrat

 

[Iceweasel]

1. ANYONE that works should be paid enough to live without government help
2.Human Beings are not products they are PEOPLE they aren't to be used as "worth". PERIOD.

I didn't say humans were products, I called you a leech. And I didn't say people were entitled to government help. If they are able bodied they need to work and they should only make what someone is willing to pay. You don't understand our Constitution. We can look at Cuba for how your scenario plays out.

That's the problem. You think people are inherently good and will actually pay people a decent wage. I don't and the world today is proof I am correct. It takes force unfortunately.

I didn't say any such thing. You're proving my point, you're very dense. The world is proof that socialism kills opportunity and capitalism works. A better economy means businesses have to pay more or workers go elsewhere and regulating businesses to death doesn't improve the economy.

You've made numerous false statements. You have to believe in lies in order to support your ideology. I don't.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Democrat War on Poverty. Fighting for 50 Years, untold trillions spend, more than all our wars combined and as a result we have more people unemployed, out of the labor force and on food stamps than at any point in human history.

What's the Exit Strategy?

"And when you ask them, "How much should we give?"
Ooh, they only answer More! more! more! yoh,"

 

[Iceweasel]

Democrat War on Poverty. Fighting for 50 Years, untold trillions spend, more than all our wars combined and as a result we have more people unemployed, out of the labor force and on food stamps than at any point in human history.

What's the Exit Strategy?

"And when you ask them, "How much should we give?"
Ooh, they only answer More! more! more! yoh,"

Yep, until the last business gives up and the last rich guy is broke (unless they're Democrats).

 

[Claudette]

Sadly it's the way of the new movement Conservatives. The ruse of "small government" is a smokescreen. The reality is simple. They consider anyone who receives assistance from the government to be a leech who is happily living off of the government and who's money should be cut immediately. All in the name of creating a "smaller government". Yet at the same time they turn absolutely apoplectic if someone mentions reducing the rate of growth of military spending or, God forbid, actually cutting the military budget. Their "small government" stance is bullshit. They want government. But they want government in the areas they demand. And the overwhelming bulk of that government should be in defense spending. Military spending. Huge R&D budgets. And without a doubt Endless War. They will happily roll from one conflict to the next. There is no war too small or no disagreement between countries that a few thousand American troops and a few trillion American dollars can't fix. It's the liberal interventionist neo-conservative way.

That is no different than how the Founding Fathers pictured the role of the Federal Government, MadeWithCheese! The Federal Government was supposed to provide the military to defend the country and the diplomats to forge treaties and trade agreements. That's all. They would be appalled at the "cradle to the grave" Nanny State that we now have.

You bet. The FF would turn over in the graves if they could see what our Fed Govt does today.

The Fed Govt was never supposed to have the power that it has.

The States were supposed to have the power to make the decisions for the State.

The Govt isn't here to take care of anyone they are supposed to take care of themselves.

All the social bullshit we've had foisted on us is courtesey of the Democrats who controlled Congress for forty years and passed all this shit making those who have take care of those who don't have.

 

[jknowgood]

Obama is still fighting wars. And the war on poverty has been fought for decades with little to no success.

That's because its being done wrong. To get people out of poverty you must FORCE the companies to pay a livable wage,make education and healthcare "free" in the form of higher taxes in a progressive tax form. If people had money to live decently and not go into debt with unexpected health problems or paying 100k for an education on top of paying 20% interest on it we would not have anywhere near the amount of poverty we have now

So your solution to the lack of success getting rid of poverty after fifty years of the "War on Poverty" is to throw more tax dollars at the problem? You also want to force companies to pay more in wages? And you think doing those two things will get rid of poverty? You didn't take economics in college, Odium...did you?

Don't need economics when you use common sense. People are born in a hole and when they try to get out of that hole they dig a deeper hole that eventually collapses on them thus putting them in deeper poverty.Give everyone an equal chance and it will be fine. The can afford to pay CEO'S millions they can afford to pay every worker an annual wage of 40k.

I'm going to use a little of your "common sense" to show why your simple solution doesn't work, Odium...

Let's say I do pay every worker a wage of at least 40 thousand! I used to pay my entry level workers a wage of about 20 thousand so I'm doubling their wages. So what do the people who have gotten some job skills and progressed a few levels higher than entry level going to say when an entry level person now makes the same amount of money as they do? Common sense tells us that those people will be VERY unhappy unless their wages are raised a corresponding amount as well. They are going to say since you doubled the wages for the starting people then you should double mine as well. I've put in my time...I've learned job skills to get a promotion and a raise...why shouldn't I be making more than someone who just started! And if you give those people a big raise to keep them happy then their supervisor is going to go "Whoa...hold on there...how come they got raises and I didn't!!!" So you've got to bump them as well...

See where this is going? You end up raising everyone's wages. Labor costs go through the roof. Prices for goods and services naturally have to be raised to pay those new higher labor costs. Higher prices lead to inflation. Inflation leads to a shrinking of disposable income. So what have you accomplished?

That's not anyones problem but the companies paying slave wages. They will adapt or sink.

So your willing to pay the guy that cuts your grass $40,000 a year?

 

[Iceweasel]

So your willing to pay the guy that cuts your grass $40,000 a year?

He'd pay $5 an hour at most. Liberals are very frugal with their own money and very generous with yours.

 

[jknowgood]

Like I said in the beginning its gonna be hard. That's not the governments fault. EVERY person should be given a wage they can raise a family on. Blame the corporations who refused to pay wages high enough. The government should have more say so in wages and who gets raises etc once this is instituted. Between the capitalist swine that will leave and others that will leave for the hell of it there wont be a problem. If there is a problem we let them know the government had to take action to make sure everyone was given an equal chance but from now on EVERYONE will not only have a livable wage but a chance to advance. The old system doesn't work. Those that whine let them leave...fuck em.Its whats best for the common good.

What a baby. You want to force someone that builds a business to supply a lifelong nipple into your gaping yap because you think you're entitled to it. Fuck you. Go start your own business you spineless parasite!

The opportunity is out there for people with backbones, foreigners come here barely speaking the language and make it. You obviously can't. Boohoo.

Whine all you want. Its a human right to be able to afford the simple things in life. In fact the pursuit of happiness means a decent livable wage. The corporations won't do it themselves so they must be forced to do it. Tough luck.

Maybe one day you will grow up.

 

[SwimExpert]

When I comes to helping Americans, whether it's disaster victims or those on food stamps, disabled or born into poverty, Republicans insist we don't have the money.

I never, ever thought I would say this, but it looks as if me and Pat Buchanan are on the same page when it comes to crazy, war mongering Republicans. This from the American Conservative:

Patrick J. Buchanan The American Conservative

Today, the entire Shiite Crescent—Iran, Iraq, Bashar Assad’s Syria, Hezbollah—is fighting ISIS. All these Shiites are de facto allies in any war against ISIS. But should we attack Iran, they will become enemies. And what would war with Iran mean for U.S. interests?

With its anti-ship missiles and hundreds of missile boats, Iran could imperil our fleet in the Persian Gulf and Arabian Sea. The Gulf could be closed to commercial shipping by a sinking or two. Hezbollah could go after the U.S. embassy in Beirut. The Green Zone in Baghdad could come under attack by Shiite militia loyal to Iran.

Listen for long to GOP foreign-policy voices, and you can hear calls for war on ISIS, al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, the Houthi rebels, the Assad regime, the Islamic Republic of Iran, to name but a few.

Are we to fight them all? How many U.S. troops will be needed? How long will all these wars take? What will the Middle East look like after we crush them all? Who will fill the vacuum if we go? Or must we stay forever?

Nor does this exhaust the GOP war menu. Enraged by Vladimir Putin’s defiance, Republicans are calling for U.S. weapons, trainers, even troops, to be sent to Ukraine and Moldova.

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When Republicans invaded Iraq, they knew nothing about the country, it's history, it's people or it's religion. And look at the disaster they caused. Now they want to fight everyone everywhere. Will America be stupid enough to follow the crazies? In the mean time, there are Americans who could use some help.

So....you're officially endorsing Rand Paul for President?

 

[Oldstyle]

Like I said in the beginning its gonna be hard. That's not the governments fault. EVERY person should be given a wage they can raise a family on. Blame the corporations who refused to pay wages high enough. The government should have more say so in wages and who gets raises etc once this is instituted. Between the capitalist swine that will leave and others that will leave for the hell of it there wont be a problem. If there is a problem we let them know the government had to take action to make sure everyone was given an equal chance but from now on EVERYONE will not only have a livable wage but a chance to advance. The old system doesn't work. Those that whine let them leave...fuck em.Its whats best for the common good.

What a baby. You want to force someone that builds a business to supply a lifelong nipple into your gaping yap because you think you're entitled to it. Fuck you. Go start your own business you spineless parasite!

The opportunity is out there for people with backbones, foreigners come here barely speaking the language and make it. You obviously can't. Boohoo.

Whine all you want. Its a human right to be able to afford the simple things in life. In fact the pursuit of happiness means a decent livable wage. The corporations won't do it themselves so they must be forced to do it. Tough luck.

The pursuit of happiness means giving people the opportunity to make their lives better...it doesn't mean that you simply give people things that they haven't earned to make them happy!

You seem to think that $40,000 a year is a "right" that every citizen has been granted by some higher power and has been denied by evil corporations. You still haven't answered my question about how you'd deal with everyone else demanding raises if you give entry level people $40,000 a year. That's one of those "real world" questions that someone like you who lives in some Utopian fantasy world CAN'T answer which is why people like you should never run things!

 

[SwimExpert]

Like I said in the beginning its gonna be hard. That's not the governments fault. EVERY person should be given a wage they can raise a family on. Blame the corporations who refused to pay wages high enough. The government should have more say so in wages and who gets raises etc once this is instituted. Between the capitalist swine that will leave and others that will leave for the hell of it there wont be a problem. If there is a problem we let them know the government had to take action to make sure everyone was given an equal chance but from now on EVERYONE will not only have a livable wage but a chance to advance. The old system doesn't work. Those that whine let them leave...fuck em.Its whats best for the common good.

What a baby. You want to force someone that builds a business to supply a lifelong nipple into your gaping yap because you think you're entitled to it. Fuck you. Go start your own business you spineless parasite!

The opportunity is out there for people with backbones, foreigners come here barely speaking the language and make it. You obviously can't. Boohoo.

Whine all you want. Its a human right to be able to afford the simple things in life. In fact the pursuit of happiness means a decent livable wage. The corporations won't do it themselves so they must be forced to do it. Tough luck.

The pursuit of happiness means giving people the opportunity to make their lives better...it doesn't mean that you simply give people things that they haven't earned to make them happy!

You seem to think that $40,000 a year is a "right" that every citizen has been granted by some higher power and has been denied by evil corporations. You still haven't answered my question about how you'd deal with everyone else demanding raises if you give entry level people $40,000 a year. That's one of those "real world" questions that someone like you who lives in some Utopian fantasy world CAN'T answer which is why people like you should never run things!

Actually, I want people like him running my competitors' businesses.