Not Another Delta Between Rich and Poor Thread

The Left always sites the inequality of income and wealth in America. Guess what?Inequality in wealth and income exists in Asia, Europe, The Middle East, Africa, Latin America, and Canada. Do the Countries that comprise these Continents NOT have an Elite and a Poor? Why would the US want to move more towards a Society where so few enjoy the finer things? In these societies, the Masses are lead to believe 'everything is fair' yet somehow, a Poor still exists and so does an Elite? Wouldn't a society that enables and encourages upward mobility be more appealing (which is what US Founders had in mind)?

What does the Left have to say about the existence or justification of an Elite anywhere in the World? Why focus in US??

A country can only generate a finite amount of wealth over any given period of time, say, a year.

How that finite amount of wealth is distributed determines what the gap between rich and poor will be.

Conservatives want to widen that gap at every opportunity.
 
The Left always sites the inequality of income and wealth in America. Guess what?Inequality in wealth and income exists in Asia, Europe, The Middle East, Africa, Latin America, and Canada. Do the Countries that comprise these Continents NOT have an Elite and a Poor? Why would the US want to move more towards a Society where so few enjoy the finer things? In these societies, the Masses are lead to believe 'everything is fair' yet somehow, a Poor still exists and so does an Elite? Wouldn't a society that enables and encourages upward mobility be more appealing (which is what US Founders had in mind)?

What does the Left have to say about the existence or justification of an Elite anywhere in the World? Why focus in US??

A country can only generate a finite amount of wealth over any given period of time, say, a year.

How that finite amount of wealth is distributed determines what the gap between rich and poor will be.

Conservatives want to widen that gap at every opportunity.

They do? Care to back that up with a law they passed?
 
The Left always sites the inequality of income and wealth in America. Guess what?Inequality in wealth and income exists in Asia, Europe, The Middle East, Africa, Latin America, and Canada. Do the Countries that comprise these Continents NOT have an Elite and a Poor? Why would the US want to move more towards a Society where so few enjoy the finer things? In these societies, the Masses are lead to believe 'everything is fair' yet somehow, a Poor still exists and so does an Elite? Wouldn't a society that enables and encourages upward mobility be more appealing (which is what US Founders had in mind)?

What does the Left have to say about the existence or justification of an Elite anywhere in the World? Why focus in US??

In most of those areas you mention, the poor are actually poor. They don't have air conditioners, at least one auto, two color televisions, Wii's or Xbox's, MP3 player, three squares a day, or a place called a home.
just sayin...

;) What we call poor is easily middle-class/upper middle class in the majority of Nations around the world.

Is that why conservatives believe we ought to be taking more and more benefits away from low-income Americans?

How much poorer would, say, the lower third of Americans income-wise have to get before conservatives would begin to feel that maybe that was becoming a problem?

Ever?
 
The Left always sites the inequality of income and wealth in America. Guess what?Inequality in wealth and income exists in Asia, Europe, The Middle East, Africa, Latin America, and Canada. Do the Countries that comprise these Continents NOT have an Elite and a Poor? Why would the US want to move more towards a Society where so few enjoy the finer things? In these societies, the Masses are lead to believe 'everything is fair' yet somehow, a Poor still exists and so does an Elite? Wouldn't a society that enables and encourages upward mobility be more appealing (which is what US Founders had in mind)?

What does the Left have to say about the existence or justification of an Elite anywhere in the World? Why focus in US??

You are missing the entire point of the argument. The left does not want to restrict anyone's earnings and those of us in the center or to the left do not suggest that earnings should be equal for everyone. What is being questioned is the disparity in the growth of income between the lower income and middle class in comparison to the very wealthy. While the very wealthy have seen their incomes soar to unprecedented heights, the rest of Americans have seen their incomes stagnate or even decrease. This is no longer an America of prosperity for all, but rather it has become an America of prosperity only for the very few while everyone else takes a back seat.

And there is a problem with this. As Henry Ford once said, it is important to pay workers enough so that they can afford the products that we sell. Otherwise, we will have nobody to buy our products. In a sense, this is exactly what is happening in the US. The masses can no longer afford to buy the things we produce. Eventually it will even catch up to the elite and the entire house of cards will come tumbling down.

The only reason that the wealthy are seeing an increase in income is because they invest differently to the rest. That old adage "The first million is the hardest" is very true. It has jack shit to do with 'equality' and everything to do with wise investing.

Bullshit. It has to do with stealing the working man's share of the value of the products he creates. The game has been rigged to prevent all the boats from rising on the tide for the last thirty years. That is why the very wealthy continue to increase their share of the national wealth, while the middle class and working poor have to divide up an ever decreasing slice of the pie.
 
The Left always sites the inequality of income and wealth in America. Guess what?Inequality in wealth and income exists in Asia, Europe, The Middle East, Africa, Latin America, and Canada. Do the Countries that comprise these Continents NOT have an Elite and a Poor? Why would the US want to move more towards a Society where so few enjoy the finer things? In these societies, the Masses are lead to believe 'everything is fair' yet somehow, a Poor still exists and so does an Elite? Wouldn't a society that enables and encourages upward mobility be more appealing (which is what US Founders had in mind)?

What does the Left have to say about the existence or justification of an Elite anywhere in the World? Why focus in US??

A country can only generate a finite amount of wealth over any given period of time, say, a year.

How that finite amount of wealth is distributed determines what the gap between rich and poor will be.

Conservatives want to widen that gap at every opportunity.

They do? Care to back that up with a law they passed?

One law? Will that prove it?

Do you deny that the conservative agenda is to cut social spending that goes to lower income Americans, thus making those Americans poorer? Do you really want to deny that?
 
In most of those areas you mention, the poor are actually poor. They don't have air conditioners, at least one auto, two color televisions, Wii's or Xbox's, MP3 player, three squares a day, or a place called a home.
just sayin...

;) What we call poor is easily middle-class/upper middle class in the majority of Nations around the world.

Is that why conservatives believe we ought to be taking more and more benefits away from low-income Americans?

How much poorer would, say, the lower third of Americans income-wise have to get before conservatives would begin to feel that maybe that was becoming a problem?

Ever?

Only when the poor start using dynamite on the walls of the gated communities.
 
In most of those areas you mention, the poor are actually poor. They don't have air conditioners, at least one auto, two color televisions, Wii's or Xbox's, MP3 player, three squares a day, or a place called a home.
just sayin...

;) What we call poor is easily middle-class/upper middle class in the majority of Nations around the world.

Is that why conservatives believe we ought to be taking more and more benefits away from low-income Americans?

How much poorer would, say, the lower third of Americans income-wise have to get before conservatives would begin to feel that maybe that was becoming a problem?

Ever?

So you can't back it up with an actual law passed? C'mon dude.
 
The Left always sites the inequality of income and wealth in America. Guess what?Inequality in wealth and income exists in Asia, Europe, The Middle East, Africa, Latin America, and Canada. Do the Countries that comprise these Continents NOT have an Elite and a Poor? Why would the US want to move more towards a Society where so few enjoy the finer things? In these societies, the Masses are lead to believe 'everything is fair' yet somehow, a Poor still exists and so does an Elite? Wouldn't a society that enables and encourages upward mobility be more appealing (which is what US Founders had in mind)?

What does the Left have to say about the existence or justification of an Elite anywhere in the World? Why focus in US??

A country can only generate a finite amount of wealth over any given period of time, say, a year.

How that finite amount of wealth is distributed determines what the gap between rich and poor will be.

Conservatives want to widen that gap at every opportunity.

They do? Care to back that up with a law they passed?

The conservative push for anti-union legislation is one example. On both the state and federal level. Another is a tax structure that has the middle and working poor paying a much higher percentage of their income than the very wealthy do.
 
A country can only generate a finite amount of wealth over any given period of time, say, a year.

How that finite amount of wealth is distributed determines what the gap between rich and poor will be.

Conservatives want to widen that gap at every opportunity.

They do? Care to back that up with a law they passed?

One law? Will that prove it?

Do you deny that the conservative agenda is to cut social spending that goes to lower income Americans, thus making those Americans poorer? Do you really want to deny that?

Is anything stopping them from actually working more or working at all?? You know, you can actually earn for yourself instead of just sitting and waiting for someone to hand you something for nothing
 
The Left always sites the inequality of income and wealth in America. Guess what?Inequality in wealth and income exists in Asia, Europe, The Middle East, Africa, Latin America, and Canada. Do the Countries that comprise these Continents NOT have an Elite and a Poor? Why would the US want to move more towards a Society where so few enjoy the finer things? In these societies, the Masses are lead to believe 'everything is fair' yet somehow, a Poor still exists and so does an Elite? Wouldn't a society that enables and encourages upward mobility be more appealing (which is what US Founders had in mind)?

What does the Left have to say about the existence or justification of an Elite anywhere in the World? Why focus in US??

In most of those areas you mention, the poor are actually poor. They don't have air conditioners, at least one auto, two color televisions, Wii's or Xbox's, MP3 player, three squares a day, or a place called a home.
just sayin...

The poor in those places don't max out an elevator weight limit with just two of them on board, either.
 
A country can only generate a finite amount of wealth over any given period of time, say, a year.

How that finite amount of wealth is distributed determines what the gap between rich and poor will be.

Conservatives want to widen that gap at every opportunity.

They do? Care to back that up with a law they passed?

One law? Will that prove it?

Do you deny that the conservative agenda is to cut social spending that goes to lower income Americans, thus making those Americans poorer? Do you really want to deny that?

Yes. The conservative agenda is to shrink government overall to help it get out of the way of creating wealthy people and middle class workers in a way that is sustainable, IE not doing it by growing government and borrowing foreign money.

By doing so the standard of living of all americans from rich to poor has gone up in the past and will do so again.....roaring 20's anyone.


And please show me a law passed by republicans that is aimed at making the poor more poor.
 
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A country can only generate a finite amount of wealth over any given period of time, say, a year.

How that finite amount of wealth is distributed determines what the gap between rich and poor will be.

Conservatives want to widen that gap at every opportunity.

They do? Care to back that up with a law they passed?

One law? Will that prove it?

Do you deny that the conservative agenda is to cut social spending that goes to lower income Americans, thus making those Americans poorer? Do you really want to deny that?

Here's where you start suggesting that taking what I have earned and giving to someone who hasn't earned it is "fair".
 
They do? Care to back that up with a law they passed?

One law? Will that prove it?

Do you deny that the conservative agenda is to cut social spending that goes to lower income Americans, thus making those Americans poorer? Do you really want to deny that?

Here's where you start suggesting that taking what I have earned and giving to someone who hasn't earned it is "fair".

Yep

You must sacrifice more, while we sacrifice none and demand support while we do nothing and complain to politicians to gain more entitlement for nothing more than existing
 
You are missing the entire point of the argument. The left does not want to restrict anyone's earnings and those of us in the center or to the left do not suggest that earnings should be equal for everyone. What is being questioned is the disparity in the growth of income between the lower income and middle class in comparison to the very wealthy. While the very wealthy have seen their incomes soar to unprecedented heights, the rest of Americans have seen their incomes stagnate or even decrease. This is no longer an America of prosperity for all, but rather it has become an America of prosperity only for the very few while everyone else takes a back seat.

And there is a problem with this. As Henry Ford once said, it is important to pay workers enough so that they can afford the products that we sell. Otherwise, we will have nobody to buy our products. In a sense, this is exactly what is happening in the US. The masses can no longer afford to buy the things we produce. Eventually it will even catch up to the elite and the entire house of cards will come tumbling down.

The only reason that the wealthy are seeing an increase in income is because they invest differently to the rest. That old adage "The first million is the hardest" is very true. It has jack shit to do with 'equality' and everything to do with wise investing.

Here are some facts, and it really doesn't matter how or why things got this way, it's just not good for American, and it is going to be the downfall of the middle class. The top 1% controls 42% of all the wealth. The top 5% controls 69% of all the wealth. And finally, the top 20% controls 93% of all the wealth. That leaves the bottom 80% controlling 7% of the wealth. If you really believe this is good for American, then hey, keep up the good work.

Fine and dandy. Name me one society that exists where this mythical 'equality' actually exists. Clue: there isn't one.
 
A country can only generate a finite amount of wealth over any given period of time, say, a year.

How that finite amount of wealth is distributed determines what the gap between rich and poor will be.

Conservatives want to widen that gap at every opportunity.

They do? Care to back that up with a law they passed?

One law? Will that prove it?

Do you deny that the conservative agenda is to cut social spending that goes to lower income Americans, thus making those Americans poorer? Do you really want to deny that?

Yes we do want lower social spending, and a timeframe, what's wrong with that. People have been on public assistance for GENERATIONS. You cant find a job in 10-20 years? REALLY?

I'd make it one year and in that year you better get some marketable skills and dancing at the club and watching judges shows does not qualify.
 
They do? Care to back that up with a law they passed?

One law? Will that prove it?

Do you deny that the conservative agenda is to cut social spending that goes to lower income Americans, thus making those Americans poorer? Do you really want to deny that?

Here's where you start suggesting that taking what I have earned and giving to someone who hasn't earned it is "fair".

Don't lie about what I said.

Conservatives want to make the poor and low income earners in America poorer. That is the MATH.

Why you want to do it is a different argument. We can't get to that argument if you're not even willing to acknowledge the mathematical facts.
 
They do? Care to back that up with a law they passed?

One law? Will that prove it?

Do you deny that the conservative agenda is to cut social spending that goes to lower income Americans, thus making those Americans poorer? Do you really want to deny that?

Yes. The conservative agenda is to shrink government overall to help it get out of the way of creating wealthy people and middle class workers in a way that is sustainable, IE not doing it by growing government and borrowing foreign money.

By doing so the standard of living of all americans from rich to poor has gone up in the past and will do so again.....roaring 20's anyone.


And please show me a law passed by republicans that is aimed at making the poor more poor.

Government has narrowed the gap between rich and poor. Government created Medicaid, for example, which provides healthcare to low income Americans,

thus making them, on balance, less poor.

You're denying the irrefutable facts. One cannot have an intelligent conversation with someone who denies irrefutable facts.
 
They do? Care to back that up with a law they passed?

One law? Will that prove it?

Do you deny that the conservative agenda is to cut social spending that goes to lower income Americans, thus making those Americans poorer? Do you really want to deny that?

Yes we do want lower social spending, and a timeframe, what's wrong with that. People have been on public assistance for GENERATIONS. You cant find a job in 10-20 years? REALLY?

I'd make it one year and in that year you better get some marketable skills and dancing at the club and watching judges shows does not qualify.

People with JOBS get Medicaid, food stamps, housing assistance, earned income credit, energy assistance,

all of which makes those WORKING people less poor.

Conservatives would cut every one of those programs, thus making those people poorer.

Why do conservatives deny then that they want to make low income Americans poorer?
 
One law? Will that prove it?

Do you deny that the conservative agenda is to cut social spending that goes to lower income Americans, thus making those Americans poorer? Do you really want to deny that?

Yes. The conservative agenda is to shrink government overall to help it get out of the way of creating wealthy people and middle class workers in a way that is sustainable, IE not doing it by growing government and borrowing foreign money.

By doing so the standard of living of all americans from rich to poor has gone up in the past and will do so again.....roaring 20's anyone.


And please show me a law passed by republicans that is aimed at making the poor more poor.

Government has narrowed the gap between rich and poor. Government created Medicaid, for example, which provides healthcare to low income Americans,

thus making them, on balance, less poor.

You're denying the irrefutable facts. One cannot have an intelligent conversation with someone who denies irrefutable facts.

Going by your standard of proof I can actually claim that government has widened the gap and created a permanent lower class through its entitlement programs.

You posted up a claim that republicans are trying to make poor people poorer yet have not provided one law they have passed to do so.

Then you go and try and make a personal attack on me since you can't back up your claim, nice :lol:

So far you are failing but I'll give you time to back up your claim...maybe in the next hour you can find something ;)
 
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Here are some facts, and it really doesn't matter how or why things got this way, it's just not good for American, and it is going to be the downfall of the middle class. The top 1% controls 42% of all the wealth. The top 5% controls 69% of all the wealth. And finally, the top 20% controls 93% of all the wealth. That leaves the bottom 80% controlling 7% of the wealth. If you really believe this is good for American, then hey, keep up the good work.

What do those numbers look like in North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela,the UK, or Canada? I am just curious as to what other Country should America be like.....based on the numbers you site?

Norway works. Thanks for asking.

just 5 million people live in Norway, we have something like 60X that population. :eusa_whistle:
 

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