Not Afraid.....Yet?

[sagegirl]

Sounds like you sort of don't know what censorship or contentiousness are.

Are you talking about liberals who keep spouting that insane point of view so they can feel special at cocktail parties?

Again, contentious issues typically have strong support pro and con. Who is pro censorship?

Who is pro censorship.....?????? Well the government, the extreme right, religious fundamentalists, most of you hate the ACLU but they fight censorship all the time. Examples, Abu Graib pictures and pictures of caskets coming back from Iraq, violence and nudity in movies and video games, banning books in schools. This is very general and I am still not advocating all these things, just citing them as examples of censorship.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Who is pro censorship.....?????? Well the government, the extreme right, religious fundamentalists, most of you hate the ACLU but they fight censorship all the time. Examples, Abu Graib pictures and pictures of caskets coming back from Iraq, violence and nudity in movies and video games, banning books in schools. This is very general and I am still not advocating all these things, just citing them as examples of censorship.

I asked first. You say it's contentious. Contentious means someone must be for it. Who is for it? Are you a retard? Why do I have to ask this a million times.

Seems to me the people most upset about free speech are the old big three media who have lost all their ratings to cable news. Seems to me it's liberals who want to shut donw talk radio because the truth ruins their elections.

So if you're asking me, I say liberals are pro censorship. Is this your answer too? I still don't consider it contentious though, liberals are a dying breed in america and their opinions hardly matter. Good.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Sagegirl, is the right to have nudity and violence in video games a form of expression you would die to preserve?

Which banned books are you referring to? Are you talking about the children forbidden to read the bible at recess? Somehow i think not.

 

[William Joyce]

Why let a bunch of "sand *******" dictate to us who our allies should be?

Excellent question. Another is, why let a bunch of pale Semites from the ghettos of Europe dictate to us who our enemies should be?

 

[Annie]

Excellent question. Another is, why let a bunch of pale Semites from the ghettos of Europe dictate to us who our enemies should be?

Better to let the Palis from the Gaza do so?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Excellent question. Another is, why let a bunch of pale Semites from the ghettos of Europe dictate to us who our enemies should be?

They're our enemies even without the jews. We have interests there above and beyond anything to do with Israel.

Jihad would still be real even if Israel never existed at all.

 

[Annie]

They're our enemies even without the jews. We have interests there above and beyond anything to do with Israel.

Jihad would still be real even if Israel never existed at all.

You'll never convince the likes of WJ or Dillo of that. It's all the Jews.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

You'll never convince the likes of WJ or Dillo of that. It's all the Jews.

they're both bright too. Sad.

 

[Annie]

they're both bright too. Sad.

Ya think? I don't.

 

[Gunny]

They're our enemies even without the jews. We have interests there above and beyond anything to do with Israel.

Jihad would still be real even if Israel never existed at all.

I already tried this argument with him. Be prepared to be called a liberal.

 

[William Joyce]

Better to let the Palis from the Gaza do so?

Better to let nobody but the white gentiles who founded and built this country decide. There is simply no way that 800 gazillion of our tax dollars to Israel and our blind support of their every move is in our best interests. It's motivated by pure politics, not what's best for our people and our country. That's just wrong, plain and simple. The politicians who do Israel's bidding aren't "doing the right thing," they're petrified of the consequences of going against such a powerful enemy. The Israel lobby will destroy anyone or anyting that stands in its path. That's not being an "ally," that's being a captive! We are bullied by these people because they know that the most powerful phrase on Earth is, "anti-Semite." All the cowards run and hide.

The math is clear: we would be richer, happier and safer if we dropped our dangerous entanglement with Israel. We are being used by them like a cheap tampon.

 

[Annie]

Better to let nobody but the white gentiles who founded and built this country decide. There is simply no way that 800 gazillion of our tax dollars to Israel and our blind support of their every move is in our best interests. It's motivated by pure politics, not what's best for our people and our country. That's just wrong, plain and simple. The politicians who do Israel's bidding aren't "doing the right thing," they're petrified of the consequences of going against such a powerful enemy. The Israel lobby will destroy anyone or anyting that stands in its path. That's not being an "ally," that's being a captive! We are bullied by these people because they know that the most powerful phrase on Earth is, "anti-Semite." All the cowards run and hide.

The math is clear: we would be richer, happier and safer if we dropped our dangerous entanglement with Israel. We are being used by them like a cheap tampon.

How many zeroes in a gazillion? Wj, I respect you in general, though your politics get me nuts. But it's more than I'll say for the company you garner. At least you are consistant and not after another agenda.

You are wrong, but nothing that doesn't happen to many. We in this case, are not 'bullied' by any, other than perhaps the left that would have us kowtowing to terrorists.

 

[Gunny]

Better to let nobody but the white gentiles who founded and built this country decide. There is simply no way that 800 gazillion of our tax dollars to Israel and our blind support of their every move is in our best interests. It's motivated by pure politics, not what's best for our people and our country. That's just wrong, plain and simple. The politicians who do Israel's bidding aren't "doing the right thing," they're petrified of the consequences of going against such a powerful enemy. The Israel lobby will destroy anyone or anyting that stands in its path. That's not being an "ally," that's being a captive! We are bullied by these people because they know that the most powerful phrase on Earth is, "anti-Semite." All the cowards run and hide.

The math is clear: we would be richer, happier and safer if we dropped our dangerous entanglement with Israel. We are being used by them like a cheap tampon.

Absurd.

 

[sagegirl]

I asked first. You say it's contentious. Contentious means someone must be for it. Who is for it? Are you a retard? Why do I have to ask this a million times.

Seems to me the people most upset about free speech are the old big three media who have lost all their ratings to cable news. Seems to me it's liberals who want to shut donw talk radio because the truth ruins their elections.

So if you're asking me, I say liberals are pro censorship. Is this your answer too? I still don't consider it contentious though, liberals are a dying breed in america and their opinions hardly matter. Good.

I guess we both agree that there is censorship going on, just depends on your point of view as to how it concerns you. I think if anything one should ask who isnt for censorship.....to some degree.

Just over in usa chat it was mentioned that doonesbury was "censored" for two days for a reference to Rove as "Turd Blossom" and just consider the uproar when pbs aired a show that was about alternative life styles....or spongebob square pants..... Really!

 

[Annie]

I guess we both agree that there is censorship going on, just depends on your point of view as to how it concerns you. I think if anything one should ask who isnt for censorship.....to some degree.

Just over in usa chat it was mentioned that doonesbury was "censored" for two days for a reference to Rove as "Turd Blossom" and just consider the uproar when pbs aired a show that was about alternative life styles....or spongebob square pants..... Really!

Actually the 'joke' or 'gottcha' was on the news that censored. Seems the term initiated with GW, and Rove outted the term. GW is 'infamous' in giving 'nicknames' and Rove's is 'turd blossum' from GW.

 

[sagegirl]

Sagegirl, could you explain "reverse censorship" ? That's quaint as hell.

It is the process of discrediting the source, making it difficult for those who expose an issue, denying licenses and access. All of these methods of censorship are more devious. They are also less likely to arouse suspicion or outrage because of their secretive nature.

 

[kurtsprincess]

I think discernment would be the best.....regarding propaganda from any source about any subject (politics, religion, lifestyles, etc...); and the best way to raise one's level of discernment is through constant and vigilant education and research.

Never depend upon one source of information.......learn to use many sources and then filter for common denominators.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

It is the process of discrediting the source, making it difficult for those who expose an issue, denying licenses and access. All of these methods of censorship are more devious. They are also less likely to arouse suspicion or outrage because of their secretive nature.

Some sources have no credibility. That's not censorship. It's additional information about a source. You don't have to believe it if you don't want to. Are you some sort of comedian?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Those newspapers are businesses, they are not government. Pulling doonesbury is not censorship. It's an editorial decision.

Are your only concerns Doonesbury, porn, and violence? You're a real model citizen.

 

[deaddude]

Better to let nobody but the white gentiles who founded and built this country decide.

Oh yes the ones that built it on small pox blankets.