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So there is a connection between pharmaceutical companies and Healthcare?Wow so much talking. But what does that have to do with healthcare companies? I missed that part.Here is how much 17 healthcare CEOs received in compensation during fiscal year 2017, according to Equilar.
6. Ian Read (Pfizer) — $26.17 million
9. Michael F. Neidorff (Centene) — $25.26 million
10. Alex Gorsky (Johnson & Johnson) — $22.84 million
20. Joseph M. Zubretsky (Molina Healthcare) — $19.74 million
22. Richard A. Gonzalez (AbbVie) — $19.13 million
24. Giovanni Caforio (Bristol Myers-Squibb) — $18.69 million
34. David M. Cordani (Cigna) — $17.55 million
47. Timothy Wentworth (Express Scripts) — $15.90 million
51. Miles D. White (Abbott Laboratories) — $15.62 million
53. John F. Milligan (Gilead Sciences) — $15.44 million
56. Bruce D. Broussard (Humana) — $14.87 million
62. Stefano Pessina (Walgreens) — $14.67 million
63. David A. Ricks (Eli Lilly) — $14.50 million
66. R. Milton Johnson (HCA Healthcare) — $13.71 million
83. George S. Barrett (Cardinal Health) — $10.99 million
86. Steven H. Collis (AmerisourceBergen) — $9.91 million
99. Ron A. Rittenmeyer (Tenet Healthcare) — $3.65 million
17 of the highest-paid CEOs in healthcare
Healthcare executives are among the highest paid in the world.
So what do they do for all that money?
And where does that money come from?
Anyone?
I heard an ad on KSEV radio about how foreign countries depend on US companies
to pay for all the research and development for new medicines. So this lowers costs
of medical care in OTHER countries while the US foots the bill.
Now deanrd what if we throw in the factor of reducing costs of medical
procedures and medicines while saving more lives and resources
by R&D on free and natural spiritual healing that removes the root causes
of illness and disease, disorders and addictions.
That free treatment and cure that is saving lives and cutting costs
DOESN'T EVEN SHOW UP in the numbers you cite.
You are only looking at the money on the books, where people
can cite property ownership and assets by those values.
That doesn't necessarily translate into the actual services
it takes to prevent and treat diseases in the real world.
So deanrd given what's really going on in the world,
I don't think you can compare these different systems using
just dollars and cents, or it doesn't add up.
The REAL work to build clinics and teaching hospitals
done by NONPROFITS such as Doctors without Borders
or Americares AREN'T EVEN ON YOUR LIST. They have
more influence, power, knowledge and ABILITY to serve
and save more lives than just the corporations you list
as having money that is tied up in stocks and DOESN'T
necessarily translate into actual services on the ground serving people.
If we start placing value on the people treating and curing
diseases for FREE to SAVE LIVES, that can be the Equivalent
of saving hundreds of thousands in expenses or death PER PERSON,
ie MILLIONS if not BILLIONS
WHICH NEVER SHOWS UP IN THE GNP OR LISTS OF SALARIES YOU POSTED.
Do you understand why you cannot measure health care this way?
We are talking about totally different scales or systems.
Under the REAL system it takes to saves lives and build sustainable
health care around the world, the empty dollars earned from exploiting
poverty disease and lack of access to resources MEANS NOTHING.
If anything, the money and labor to build sustainable health care
will come from workers at the grassroots level, teachers students
residents and interns who don't even show up on your scale.
If we organize more groups to build more local clinics, teaching
hospitals and emergency care centers in every city, country and district
SURE
we can better lobby the Bill Gate and George Soros of the world
to invest in replicating those models. Any maybe turn this around
where the wealthy investors work to build more hospital programs
to train health care service providers, doctors and nurses to serve in public health.
But this won't be accomplished by arguing about who earns how much money.
It will be achieved by promoting SOLUTIONS that CUT COSTS
so that more people invest both LABOR and money into
building sustainable programs DIRECTLY OURSELVES.
That's when we will attract support of investors.
Focus on the solutions, that people want to invest in.
Do what works, and the money will follow!
I thought you were supposed to be smart. Read the first paragraph again.
WTF are "huge financial houses"?Yeah.Better go back over your list....not make anything???
DO Banks make anything....
They invest money.
They offer capital to promote business growth.
They give you a safe place to store your money.
What do healthcare companies give? We have a pretty good idea what they take.
Insurance companies are huge financial houses ?
How are you so ignorant ?
Probably because when I come up with a topic, your kind can't argue in a convincing and credible manner.Wow so much talking. But what does that have to do with healthcare companies? I missed that part.Here is how much 17 healthcare CEOs received in compensation during fiscal year 2017, according to Equilar.
6. Ian Read (Pfizer) — $26.17 million
9. Michael F. Neidorff (Centene) — $25.26 million
10. Alex Gorsky (Johnson & Johnson) — $22.84 million
20. Joseph M. Zubretsky (Molina Healthcare) — $19.74 million
22. Richard A. Gonzalez (AbbVie) — $19.13 million
24. Giovanni Caforio (Bristol Myers-Squibb) — $18.69 million
34. David M. Cordani (Cigna) — $17.55 million
47. Timothy Wentworth (Express Scripts) — $15.90 million
51. Miles D. White (Abbott Laboratories) — $15.62 million
53. John F. Milligan (Gilead Sciences) — $15.44 million
56. Bruce D. Broussard (Humana) — $14.87 million
62. Stefano Pessina (Walgreens) — $14.67 million
63. David A. Ricks (Eli Lilly) — $14.50 million
66. R. Milton Johnson (HCA Healthcare) — $13.71 million
83. George S. Barrett (Cardinal Health) — $10.99 million
86. Steven H. Collis (AmerisourceBergen) — $9.91 million
99. Ron A. Rittenmeyer (Tenet Healthcare) — $3.65 million
17 of the highest-paid CEOs in healthcare
Healthcare executives are among the highest paid in the world.
So what do they do for all that money?
And where does that money come from?
Anyone?
I heard an ad on KSEV radio about how foreign countries depend on US companies
to pay for all the research and development for new medicines. So this lowers costs
of medical care in OTHER countries while the US foots the bill.
Now deanrd what if we throw in the factor of reducing costs of medical
procedures and medicines while saving more lives and resources
by R&D on free and natural spiritual healing that removes the root causes
of illness and disease, disorders and addictions.
That free treatment and cure that is saving lives and cutting costs
DOESN'T EVEN SHOW UP in the numbers you cite.
You are only looking at the money on the books, where people
can cite property ownership and assets by those values.
That doesn't necessarily translate into the actual services
it takes to prevent and treat diseases in the real world.
So deanrd given what's really going on in the world,
I don't think you can compare these different systems using
just dollars and cents, or it doesn't add up.
The REAL work to build clinics and teaching hospitals
done by NONPROFITS such as Doctors without Borders
or Americares AREN'T EVEN ON YOUR LIST. They have
more influence, power, knowledge and ABILITY to serve
and save more lives than just the corporations you list
as having money that is tied up in stocks and DOESN'T
necessarily translate into actual services on the ground serving people.
If we start placing value on the people treating and curing
diseases for FREE to SAVE LIVES, that can be the Equivalent
of saving hundreds of thousands in expenses or death PER PERSON,
ie MILLIONS if not BILLIONS
WHICH NEVER SHOWS UP IN THE GNP OR LISTS OF SALARIES YOU POSTED.
Do you understand why you cannot measure health care this way?
We are talking about totally different scales or systems.
Under the REAL system it takes to saves lives and build sustainable
health care around the world, the empty dollars earned from exploiting
poverty disease and lack of access to resources MEANS NOTHING.
If anything, the money and labor to build sustainable health care
will come from workers at the grassroots level, teachers students
residents and interns who don't even show up on your scale.
If we organize more groups to build more local clinics, teaching
hospitals and emergency care centers in every city, country and district
SURE
we can better lobby the Bill Gate and George Soros of the world
to invest in replicating those models. Any maybe turn this around
where the wealthy investors work to build more hospital programs
to train health care service providers, doctors and nurses to serve in public health.
But this won't be accomplished by arguing about who earns how much money.
It will be achieved by promoting SOLUTIONS that CUT COSTS
so that more people invest both LABOR and money into
building sustainable programs DIRECTLY OURSELVES.
That's when we will attract support of investors.
Focus on the solutions, that people want to invest in.
Do what works, and the money will follow!
I thought you were supposed to be smart. Read the first paragraph again.
What would ever lead you to believe deanrd (a.k.a. the board moron) is smart ?
The rambling is confusing.This subject is a perfect examples of the right wing crazies on the USMB.
Ask a simple question: What are the benefits of healthcare companies?
No one could answer. Instead, they attack. Only they don't know exactly how to make the attack.
Because they just don't know enough.
Healthcare companies are ticks. They suck money off insurance policies.
You could get the same care with an information center and booking office. And you wouldn't be paying for enormous CEO salaries or paying for private company jets.
In fact, healthcare companies have gotten so lazy, they make the doctor's office hire a staff to do scheduling and reminders. Just get rid of the healthcare company and continue to schedule yourself. Just like you do now.
Dear deanrd
No one is MAKING you patronize a health care company you do not trust with your money.
Look at Doctors without Borders and St Jude's Hospital.
They provide free medical care and build clinics in poor areas.
All using nonprofit donations and volunteer contribution.
What you are asking for is to force either
the Govt to become a huge corrupt "health care company" you hate so much.
Or you expect Govt to suddenly be able to offer the same
services and medical care that Doctors without Borders and
St. Jude's offers for FREE. But those programs that work
do so on VOLUNTARY giving and services.
They are NOT mandated through Govt.
And they work better.
Better than Govt programs.
Better than the scammy health care companies you cite and fault.
So given free choice of which programs you would model
"govt programs" after wouldn't you choose the VOLUNTARY
approach that successful, cost effective and sustainable programs
use, such as mentioned above.
If you are so concerned that other "health care companies"
provide services at the same level as Doctors without Borders,
St. Jude's and AmeriCares, why not write petitions addressed
to these CEO and Boards? And ask them and Bill Gates,
George Soros and others to FUND a sustainable approach
to REPLICATE and expand the work of successful medical
outreach so that it does serve the greater populations in need?
When ASKING and LOBBYING for these groups to fund
sustainable development of health care, do you want to
ask politely and ENCOURAGE people to support the
lifesaving work of the nonprofits serving worldwide?
Or do you want to "bitch moan and whine" and guilt trip
these companies into giving and developing better model programs?
Which approach would you use, or both?
A petition to the public asking ALL people to write "Nice"
letters to Soros, the Gates Foundation, the Clinton
Foundation and all the health care companies you list?
Or asking people to "bitch moan and guilt trip"
until something changes? What strategy would you prefer or suggest?
You may have a good idea in the works,
to address these companies. What if we get all
the members of the D and G parties who want
universal care to ask in a global petition or letter writing
campaign asking for funding. What would you ask
for and how?
Would you really post as you did above?
Or would you ask for something more constructive
that inspires people to respond positively and creatively?
So, if they don't make anything and they don't sell anything, why are they getting so much money?
All these comments and not a single person can name something good that healthcare companies do.
The closest anyone got was trying to make pharmaceutical companies and healthcare companies the same thing.
