North Korean missile flies higher, farther than any previous test

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If anything happens they will kill him with an air strike.....they they try to retaliate a few MOABS would easily do the trick. Those people over there want freedom

You realize that MOABs are delivered by cargo aircraft.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

They now have the capability to hit Alaska.

This isn't going to end peacefully.

And yet we and the world sit back with out thumbs in our collective, politically correct asses, just as with Iran.

The time to strike ISIS was the first year we knew of them while they were small and confined in a limited area of Iraq. Not 1,500,000 dead later.

The time to strike Iran was at the start of their nuclearization, not after they are making bombs!

The time to get into China's face was a couple years ago, not after they have built up military islands all over the South China Sea, though Trump IS trying.

And the time to strike North Korea is NOW, shoot down their missiles on the launch pads, drop a MOAB on their next public square gathering of all of their top officials including Kim, take them all out, while we still can easily, and be damned what the rest of the fucking worthless world thinks. Not wait until they are launching missiles at the US.

If an asteroid were coming at the Earth, you take it out while it is still far away in space and easier to deal with, not wait until it is entering the upper atmosphere.

You people keep using MOAB as a cure-all. The bomb is carried by a cargo aircraft, which is about as stealthy as the World Trade Center building. In order to get it to the target, you would have to neutralize the entire North Korean air defense capability. That's why we can use it in Afghanistan. They have nothing to prevent us from using it!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Why would they want to bomb Alaska?

NK is building a defensive arsenal, and what they've got so far apparently is working since no one wants to poke the bear too much.

Where does ANY country get off demanding that another country not develop weapons to protect themselves. Russia, the United States, France, China, the United Kingdom, Pakistan, India, Israel and North Korea all have nuclear weapons. North Korea wants to be able to defend against that by saying "go for it, but we'll nuke you back."
I hate nuclear weapons and I wish we could get rid of all of them, but I'm not exactly sure what gives any country the right to refuse other countries to have what they have.

U.S. 1946 King's X
Robert Frost

Having invented a new Holocaust,
And been the first with it to win a war,
How they make haste to cry with fingers crossed,
King's X--no fairs to use it any more!

The difference being that those countries havent been threatening other countries with annihilation.

I get that. However, my understanding is that he has been threatening annihilation in retaliation if he is attacked. He has the countries with the world's biggest nuclear arsenals touching his borders--Russia, China and (via So. Korea) the U.S. The man is a menace, but I can understand to a certain degree his paranoia.
I hope we don't have to go in there and start blowing shit up. As a pre-emptive move, I think we're on pretty shaky ground.

Problem is, who is to say when he decides he feels he is being attacked? When Iran gets the bomb THEY WILL USE IT. When Kim gets his delivery system HE WILL USE IT. If Kim feels threatened, look at it this way, if you felt threatened by a bully, would you go to his house and throw rocks at his windows antagonizing him?

The danger of not acting now is million of lives. Evacuate Seoul NOW, quietly, move them out, then strike his batteries across the border, hit his armies, hit his military installations, hit his silos before it is too late.

Destroy North Korea's military structure and government, move in and take it over as a unified Korean continent. Bring in massive aide to all the suffering people of North Korea. Put the USA military power there to protect it and tell China and Russia to go pound sand. They had their chance to keep Kim under control. Now we are right in Russia and China's BACK DOOR and they can go suck an egg.

Quietly move them out?

You have gone from ridiculous to downright stupid!

Seoul SK has a population of 26 million people and is the world's 16th largest city! Quietly move them out?

Yeah, right!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

. Our nuclear strike capable subs should be the biggest motivator out there for these players to act right. Not sure what is causing the world to go crazy now, other than our very own turmoil that has the world guessing like we were when the Soviet Union crashed.

I think the idea of Japan and South Korea going nuclear would compel China to finally do something about North Korea. Furthermore, the South Koreans would pay the highest price if war breaks out...again. We sort of have our hands tied UNLESS the north does something especially egregious.

. Shouldn't we just supply them with the nukes needed, and with the launch systems as needed strictly for their DEFENSE, and not promote them to become a nuclear power if not currently one now ??? Enough of this proliferation right ?? We should be highly involved in the defense of these allied interest in these regions, and yet not promote further proliferation of nuke technology upon this Earth.

I don't think you can just PACK UP NUCLEAR BOMBS and mail them to other countries-----
There are all kinds of things that have to be DONE to them ----maintenance and stuff that
amounts to -------KNOWING THE INS AND OUTS OF NUCLEAR REACTORS and having
the means to make DA BOMB

. Why can't you transport the weapons, and the training teams to operate the systems ? I mean we transported two of them all the way to Japan, and then dropped them. We just do it without dropping them this time.

I do not think so------I think they need constant maintenance------you cannot just STORE them

How do you do maintenance on a submarine launched ballistic missile?

The answer is: You don't!

 

[toobfreak]

You people keep using MOAB as a cure-all. The bomb is carried by a cargo aircraft, which is about as stealthy as the World Trade Center building. In order to get it to the target, you would have to neutralize the entire North Korean air defense capability. That's why we can use it in Afghanistan. They have nothing to prevent us from using it!

No, MOAB isn't a cure-all. But it is a weapon to be used in our arsenal. You make it sound like it is a weapon that can only be used on enemies so primitive that we shouldn't even need it in the first place. You tie up and weaken their defenses with other assaults, and while they are busy with them, you fly your MOAB in to its needed destination.

 

[toobfreak]

Quietly move them out?

You have gone from ridiculous to downright stupid!

Seoul SK has a population of 26 million people and is the world's 16th largest city! Quietly move them out?

Yeah, right!

No, what is ridiculous and stupid here is the suggestion that you are actually an "Admiral." What if Miami or some other coastal city were being borne down upon by a major hurricane? Are you saying we can't evacuate Miami? Or San Diego? You evacuate! All I meant was that you move them out over a period of time systematically, orderly, so as to draw as little attention to the evacuation for as long as possible. Don't make it look like a mass exodus. The longer you can do that, the better your chances and the fewer people come under threat of retaliation by N. Korea when you strike. What would you suggest, "Admiral," that we leave Seoul intact the day the war begins?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You people keep using MOAB as a cure-all. The bomb is carried by a cargo aircraft, which is about as stealthy as the World Trade Center building. In order to get it to the target, you would have to neutralize the entire North Korean air defense capability. That's why we can use it in Afghanistan. They have nothing to prevent us from using it!

No, MOAB isn't a cure-all. But it is a weapon to be used in our arsenal. You make it sound like it is a weapon that can only be used on enemies so primitive that we shouldn't even need it in the first place. You tie up and weaken their defenses with other assaults, and while they are busy with them, you fly your MOAB in to its needed destination.

Yes, the only use for the MOAB is against hardened ground targets in a total air superiority environment.

My first specialty in the Navy was anti-air warfare. I served on two guided missile cruisers.

During those "other assaults", what the hell do you think that North Korea's artillery will be doing to the people of Seoul? Do you think their air defense missiles will just raise a white flag of surrender?

Your naivete is astounding!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Quietly move them out?

You have gone from ridiculous to downright stupid!

Seoul SK has a population of 26 million people and is the world's 16th largest city! Quietly move them out?

Yeah, right!

No, what is ridiculous and stupid here is the suggestion that you are actually an "Admiral." What if Miami or some other coastal city were being borne down upon by a major hurricane? Are you saying we can't evacuate Miami? Or San Diego? You evacuate! All I meant was that you move them out over a period of time systematically, orderly, so as to draw as little attention to the evacuation for as long as possible. Don't make it look like a mass exodus. The longer you can do that, the better your chances and the fewer people come under threat of retaliation by N. Korea when you strike. What would you suggest, "Admiral," that we leave Seoul intact the day the war begins?

Are you 10 years old? You don't think the North Koreans wouldn't notice? CNN and ever other major news organization would be broadcasting it 24/7!

I used to live in Florida. Evacuations of people who live in areas not prone to flooding are one sure way to get a lot of people killed unnecessarily when they get caught on highways when the storm hits. Ever see what hurricane force winds do to cars and trucks? A true Floridian stocks booze, hunkers down and waits!

Why don't you leave war to the professionals and stop pontificating bad science fiction?

 

[toobfreak]

My first specialty in the Navy was anti-air warfare. I served on two guided missile cruisers.

During those "other assaults", what the hell do you think that North Korea's artillery will be doing to the people of Seoul? Do you think their air defense missiles will just raise a white flag of surrender?

Your naivete is astounding!

Right, "Admiral." So in other words, your opinion is that North Korea is a war we cannot win! Kim Jong-Un has beaten us? As to the people of Seoul, like I said before, you get them out of there. Move them out. Move 'em. Out. Pack up and leave. Stat doing it now. Get 'em out. Stupid place to be, they are sitting ducks and THAAD can't protect them all. But as soon as the Norks launch their attack, we have them!

 

[toobfreak]

Why don't you leave war to the professionals and stop pontificating bad science fiction?

Right, "Admiral," let's leave it up to pros like you. Just leave everyone in Seoul sitting right where they are at. Don't even TRY to move them. So what will Kim do, see people just relocating on highways in another country and count that as his justification for launching a war?

 

[Dalia]

Hello, i give you this information that i translate French /English
North Korea has been seeking access to nuclear weapons for more than 20 years - in order to be part of the very closed circle of nuclear powers, as well as Russia, the United States, Great Britain or Still France. After many more or less fruitful trials, the country led by a steel hand by Kim Jong-un seems to be poised to launch a nuclear device at any time. The government no longer hesitates to threaten its South Korean neighbor - and its ally, the United States.
Today, according to some experts, North Korea is able to launch missiles capable of transporting a nuclear warhead, like the Kwangmyongsong intercontinental ballistic missile - capable of reaching Los Angeles, according to a study dated last February . Other recent analyzes suggest that by 2020, North Korea will have a "reliable" nuclear warhead likely to affect the United States. Yet, according to Rodger Baker, a North Korean case specialist with Stratfor, a company specializing in country risk analysis, it is not important to know when the North Korean nuclear bombs will be operational. "I'm pretty sure they can hit the United States today," he said.

In other words, North Korea is ready to fuck a damn brothel, even though its ability to emerge winner of a nuclear conflict seems as likely as the victory of Jeremy Irons at the Oscars 2017 for his role in Assassin's Creed -on ever, on a misunderstanding ...
Several months ago, as part of a study conducted for Stratfor, Rodger Baker and his team were interested in the possibility of a preemptive attack by the United States to remove the arsenal North Korean nuclear power plant. With this in mind, Rodger helped me imagine what might happen if North Korea decided to go on the attack one day. If you imagine American generals pressing multiple buttons to make the Kim country completely disappear from the face of the world, well, you are a very poor strategist.
Step 1: The US understands what is going on well before the launch
We can already say without too much wetting that a nuclear missile will not appear all at once on a North Korean launch base. If the country has several launch methods, the safest - and most obvious - would be to use a fixed launch tower. Salon Baker, such a choice would allow all intelligence services to prepare to counter the attack.

North Korea has successfully launched missiles from a submarine recently, but such a strategy seems risky, as it would force a North Korean submarine to approach the coasts of the targeted country - Knowing that the North Korean submarines are in very bad condition.

It would probably be preferable for Pyongyang to use a tractor-erector-launcher, or TEL, as a mobile vehicle to fire one or more missiles. "You see them often in movies," says Rodger Baker. If you use a TEL, you can launch a missile within one hour from the moment you take the missile out of its storage location. "North Korea has TEL - especially those bought from China in 2012 - and does not hesitate to highlight them during its military parades.
Rodger Baker believes that an hour is ample time to be noticed by the US intelligence services - knowing that the country is being scrutinized by many sophisticated tools, including satellites. "Shortly after each test, the Americans and the Japanese asserted whether or not it was conclusive," Rodger recalls. If they are as fast, they are watching the launches live, when they are supposed to be secret. "
According to Rodger Baker, it is hard to imagine that a North Korean nuclear attack could surprise the United States and its allies. "If an attack were to take place, all defense systems would be activated," says the specialist. Japanese ships carrying defensive missiles would immediately enter into action. "
Place to Step 2.
Stage 2: The United States and Japan launch a pre-emptive strike
It is often said that the best defense is the attack. According to geopolitical specialists at George Washington University, if spies had evidence of the imminence of a North Korean nuclear attack, US officials would not hesitate to strike Pyongyang for a second before justifying the decision The United Nations through the argument of the "imminent threat to the security of the country".
Such a decision would not even imply a decision of Donald Trump, according to Rodger Baker. "I am sure that a preemptive strike would be validated by the military, without necessarily going through the political power," he said. The problem would be to justify such a strike with certain international players, such as China, Russia and even South Korea. "If we approach the problem from a political perspective," says Rodger Baker, "it would be better to destroy the missile once in the air rather than on the ground. "
It is unlikely, however, that the United States accepts that a North Korean missile will fly through the air for even a few seconds.
Step 3: A missile is in the air
Well, let's admit that the United States wants to avoid at all costs to hit North Korea directly on the ground. If, unfortunately, they fail to intercept the missile after its launch, and the missile leaves the atmosphere, it is unlikely that it will reach the United States. "The North Koreans seem capable of launching a missile leaving the atmosphere before returning there without being destroyed," says Baker. The trick is that this spillover is useless if the bomb is damaged in the process. "Roughly speaking, even if North Korea were to thwart the interception of its missile, it could be of no use as an intercontinental strike is unreliable given the technology in its possession.

Afterwards, there would be the question of where the missile could end its race. Rodger Baker told me that the most "accessible" places - like Hawaii and Los Angeles - were not necessarily the only ones at risk. "You have to remember the map published a few years ago, with small lines from North Korea to Austin, for example," he recalls.

Step 4: The US and Japan are attempting to shoot the missile before it hits the ground
"Radars and satellite systems are permanently activated, looking for any thermal signature suggesting that a missile has been fired," explains Rodger Baker. For some time now, the United States has been thinking of installing a defense system called South African soil, called the THAAD, but in view of the current political instability in the Quiet Morning country, it appears unlikely In the very short term.
Thus, if the missile is not intercepted by South Korea, everything suggests that it would be intercepted by Japan, which has a substantial and armed fleet for such an operation.

But let's admit that the Japanese are missing and the missile is moving away towards the United States. In this case, the interception will have to be carried out by the American missile defense, based in Alaska. Unfortunately, this system is perfectible. "We can never be 100% sure of the effectiveness of our missile defense," says Rodger Baker.
It would nevertheless be necessary to have a drastic combination of circumstances in order for North Korea to reach its goal. After that, it must be borne in mind that the military capabilities of the country are only increasing and that it is only a matter of time before Pyongyang is endowed with rather scary weapons, like missiles carrying many nuclear warheads Which would go in several directions.
Step 5: China comes into play
This is undoubtedly one of the reasons why Trump should go soft with China. According to Rodger Baker, it is quite possible that in the case of a North Korean attack, China will intervene to try to prevent the outbreak of a new Korean war.
"China has already implied that in the event of a North Korean attack it would not hesitate to intervene militarily in the country and take control in Pyongyang in order to calm the game," said Rodger Baker. I think the Chinese know perfectly well that a world nuclear conflict would be disastrous for them, especially against the United States. "
Other experts reject Baker's analysis and say China will not hesitate to support its North Korean ally. Joel S. Wit, a specialist in Korean-American relations at the John Hopkins School, said in the New York Times that a reversal of the jacket from the Chinese was unlikely. If Xi Jinping pushes his ally to abandon the nuclear weapon, he does not intend to isolate it. "A united and allied Korea in Washington would be very bad news for Beijing given the rivalry between the two superpowers in Asia," he wrote.

Step 6: The United States replies, but does not raze North Korea
Donald Trump said last April that he did not rule out the possibility of using nuclear weapons to eliminate the Islamic state. It could therefore be assumed that in the case of a successful North Korean attack, he would not hesitate to shave the country off the map. And yet, Rodger Baker doubted.
"For me, it's unthinkable. North Korea is not a great military power, and the size of the Korean peninsula is reduced. Lifting an atomic bomb on the country would prevent its rapid revival and, above all, endanger South Korea, our ally. Instead of this strategy, Washington could focus on "the launch of a devastating cruise missile and then an air campaign to destroy all of the North Korean artillery on its southern border" The idea being to prevent Pyongyang from using its artillery and mobile missile launch systems. This would allow the United States to kneel the country without intervening directly in the region.
Step 7: If there is war, North Korea will lose
Now that both sides openly declared war, let's go back to the Stratfor study I mentioned earlier. In fact, "the early hours of the conflict will be critical for North Korea," said Baker. This is where it will have to use all its resources, including chemical weapons, to make any US or South Korean action on the ground impossible and to inflict maximum damage on the northern part of South Korea . Such a move would push the US to intensify its strikes - which would leave little hope in Pyongyang.

"One can go forward without difficulty and say that in the event of a conflict between North Korea and the United States, or even a conflict between the two Koreas, the Kim dynasty would know its last hours, Concludes Rodger Baker

Que se passerait-il si la Corée du Nord bombardait les États-Unis ?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Hello, i give you this information that i translate French /English
North Korea has been seeking access to nuclear weapons for more than 20 years - in order to be part of the very closed circle of nuclear powers, as well as Russia, the United States, Great Britain or Still France. After many more or less fruitful trials, the country led by a steel hand by Kim Jong-un seems to be poised to launch a nuclear device at any time. The government no longer hesitates to threaten its South Korean neighbor - and its ally, the United States.
Today, according to some experts, North Korea is able to launch missiles capable of transporting a nuclear warhead, like the Kwangmyongsong intercontinental ballistic missile - capable of reaching Los Angeles, according to a study dated last February . Other recent analyzes suggest that by 2020, North Korea will have a "reliable" nuclear warhead likely to affect the United States. Yet, according to Rodger Baker, a North Korean case specialist with Stratfor, a company specializing in country risk analysis, it is not important to know when the North Korean nuclear bombs will be operational. "I'm pretty sure they can hit the United States today," he said.

In other words, North Korea is ready to fuck a damn brothel, even though its ability to emerge winner of a nuclear conflict seems as likely as the victory of Jeremy Irons at the Oscars 2017 for his role in Assassin's Creed -on ever, on a misunderstanding ...
Several months ago, as part of a study conducted for Stratfor, Rodger Baker and his team were interested in the possibility of a preemptive attack by the United States to remove the arsenal North Korean nuclear power plant. With this in mind, Rodger helped me imagine what might happen if North Korea decided to go on the attack one day. If you imagine American generals pressing multiple buttons to make the Kim country completely disappear from the face of the world, well, you are a very poor strategist.
Step 1: The US understands what is going on well before the launch
We can already say without too much wetting that a nuclear missile will not appear all at once on a North Korean launch base. If the country has several launch methods, the safest - and most obvious - would be to use a fixed launch tower. Salon Baker, such a choice would allow all intelligence services to prepare to counter the attack.

North Korea has successfully launched missiles from a submarine recently, but such a strategy seems risky, as it would force a North Korean submarine to approach the coasts of the targeted country - Knowing that the North Korean submarines are in very bad condition.

It would probably be preferable for Pyongyang to use a tractor-erector-launcher, or TEL, as a mobile vehicle to fire one or more missiles. "You see them often in movies," says Rodger Baker. If you use a TEL, you can launch a missile within one hour from the moment you take the missile out of its storage location. "North Korea has TEL - especially those bought from China in 2012 - and does not hesitate to highlight them during its military parades.
Rodger Baker believes that an hour is ample time to be noticed by the US intelligence services - knowing that the country is being scrutinized by many sophisticated tools, including satellites. "Shortly after each test, the Americans and the Japanese asserted whether or not it was conclusive," Rodger recalls. If they are as fast, they are watching the launches live, when they are supposed to be secret. "
According to Rodger Baker, it is hard to imagine that a North Korean nuclear attack could surprise the United States and its allies. "If an attack were to take place, all defense systems would be activated," says the specialist. Japanese ships carrying defensive missiles would immediately enter into action. "
Place to Step 2.
Stage 2: The United States and Japan launch a pre-emptive strike
It is often said that the best defense is the attack. According to geopolitical specialists at George Washington University, if spies had evidence of the imminence of a North Korean nuclear attack, US officials would not hesitate to strike Pyongyang for a second before justifying the decision The United Nations through the argument of the "imminent threat to the security of the country".
Such a decision would not even imply a decision of Donald Trump, according to Rodger Baker. "I am sure that a preemptive strike would be validated by the military, without necessarily going through the political power," he said. The problem would be to justify such a strike with certain international players, such as China, Russia and even South Korea. "If we approach the problem from a political perspective," says Rodger Baker, "it would be better to destroy the missile once in the air rather than on the ground. "
It is unlikely, however, that the United States accepts that a North Korean missile will fly through the air for even a few seconds.
Step 3: A missile is in the air
Well, let's admit that the United States wants to avoid at all costs to hit North Korea directly on the ground. If, unfortunately, they fail to intercept the missile after its launch, and the missile leaves the atmosphere, it is unlikely that it will reach the United States. "The North Koreans seem capable of launching a missile leaving the atmosphere before returning there without being destroyed," says Baker. The trick is that this spillover is useless if the bomb is damaged in the process. "Roughly speaking, even if North Korea were to thwart the interception of its missile, it could be of no use as an intercontinental strike is unreliable given the technology in its possession.

Afterwards, there would be the question of where the missile could end its race. Rodger Baker told me that the most "accessible" places - like Hawaii and Los Angeles - were not necessarily the only ones at risk. "You have to remember the map published a few years ago, with small lines from North Korea to Austin, for example," he recalls.

Step 4: The US and Japan are attempting to shoot the missile before it hits the ground
"Radars and satellite systems are permanently activated, looking for any thermal signature suggesting that a missile has been fired," explains Rodger Baker. For some time now, the United States has been thinking of installing a defense system called South African soil, called the THAAD, but in view of the current political instability in the Quiet Morning country, it appears unlikely In the very short term.
Thus, if the missile is not intercepted by South Korea, everything suggests that it would be intercepted by Japan, which has a substantial and armed fleet for such an operation.

But let's admit that the Japanese are missing and the missile is moving away towards the United States. In this case, the interception will have to be carried out by the American missile defense, based in Alaska. Unfortunately, this system is perfectible. "We can never be 100% sure of the effectiveness of our missile defense," says Rodger Baker.
It would nevertheless be necessary to have a drastic combination of circumstances in order for North Korea to reach its goal. After that, it must be borne in mind that the military capabilities of the country are only increasing and that it is only a matter of time before Pyongyang is endowed with rather scary weapons, like missiles carrying many nuclear warheads Which would go in several directions.
Step 5: China comes into play
This is undoubtedly one of the reasons why Trump should go soft with China. According to Rodger Baker, it is quite possible that in the case of a North Korean attack, China will intervene to try to prevent the outbreak of a new Korean war.
"China has already implied that in the event of a North Korean attack it would not hesitate to intervene militarily in the country and take control in Pyongyang in order to calm the game," said Rodger Baker. I think the Chinese know perfectly well that a world nuclear conflict would be disastrous for them, especially against the United States. "
Other experts reject Baker's analysis and say China will not hesitate to support its North Korean ally. Joel S. Wit, a specialist in Korean-American relations at the John Hopkins School, said in the New York Times that a reversal of the jacket from the Chinese was unlikely. If Xi Jinping pushes his ally to abandon the nuclear weapon, he does not intend to isolate it. "A united and allied Korea in Washington would be very bad news for Beijing given the rivalry between the two superpowers in Asia," he wrote.

Step 6: The United States replies, but does not raze North Korea
Donald Trump said last April that he did not rule out the possibility of using nuclear weapons to eliminate the Islamic state. It could therefore be assumed that in the case of a successful North Korean attack, he would not hesitate to shave the country off the map. And yet, Rodger Baker doubted.
"For me, it's unthinkable. North Korea is not a great military power, and the size of the Korean peninsula is reduced. Lifting an atomic bomb on the country would prevent its rapid revival and, above all, endanger South Korea, our ally. Instead of this strategy, Washington could focus on "the launch of a devastating cruise missile and then an air campaign to destroy all of the North Korean artillery on its southern border" The idea being to prevent Pyongyang from using its artillery and mobile missile launch systems. This would allow the United States to kneel the country without intervening directly in the region.
Step 7: If there is war, North Korea will lose
Now that both sides openly declared war, let's go back to the Stratfor study I mentioned earlier. In fact, "the early hours of the conflict will be critical for North Korea," said Baker. This is where it will have to use all its resources, including chemical weapons, to make any US or South Korean action on the ground impossible and to inflict maximum damage on the northern part of South Korea . Such a move would push the US to intensify its strikes - which would leave little hope in Pyongyang.

"One can go forward without difficulty and say that in the event of a conflict between North Korea and the United States, or even a conflict between the two Koreas, the Kim dynasty would know its last hours, Concludes Rodger Baker

Que se passerait-il si la Corée du Nord bombardait les États-Unis ?

The moment a NOKO sub left port a fast attack would be on it's ass

 

[Dalia]

Hello, i give you this information that i translate French /English
North Korea has been seeking access to nuclear weapons for more than 20 years - in order to be part of the very closed circle of nuclear powers, as well as Russia, the United States, Great Britain or Still France. After many more or less fruitful trials, the country led by a steel hand by Kim Jong-un seems to be poised to launch a nuclear device at any time. The government no longer hesitates to threaten its South Korean neighbor - and its ally, the United States.
Today, according to some experts, North Korea is able to launch missiles capable of transporting a nuclear warhead, like the Kwangmyongsong intercontinental ballistic missile - capable of reaching Los Angeles, according to a study dated last February . Other recent analyzes suggest that by 2020, North Korea will have a "reliable" nuclear warhead likely to affect the United States. Yet, according to Rodger Baker, a North Korean case specialist with Stratfor, a company specializing in country risk analysis, it is not important to know when the North Korean nuclear bombs will be operational. "I'm pretty sure they can hit the United States today," he said.

In other words, North Korea is ready to fuck a damn brothel, even though its ability to emerge winner of a nuclear conflict seems as likely as the victory of Jeremy Irons at the Oscars 2017 for his role in Assassin's Creed -on ever, on a misunderstanding ...
Several months ago, as part of a study conducted for Stratfor, Rodger Baker and his team were interested in the possibility of a preemptive attack by the United States to remove the arsenal North Korean nuclear power plant. With this in mind, Rodger helped me imagine what might happen if North Korea decided to go on the attack one day. If you imagine American generals pressing multiple buttons to make the Kim country completely disappear from the face of the world, well, you are a very poor strategist.
Step 1: The US understands what is going on well before the launch
We can already say without too much wetting that a nuclear missile will not appear all at once on a North Korean launch base. If the country has several launch methods, the safest - and most obvious - would be to use a fixed launch tower. Salon Baker, such a choice would allow all intelligence services to prepare to counter the attack.

North Korea has successfully launched missiles from a submarine recently, but such a strategy seems risky, as it would force a North Korean submarine to approach the coasts of the targeted country - Knowing that the North Korean submarines are in very bad condition.

It would probably be preferable for Pyongyang to use a tractor-erector-launcher, or TEL, as a mobile vehicle to fire one or more missiles. "You see them often in movies," says Rodger Baker. If you use a TEL, you can launch a missile within one hour from the moment you take the missile out of its storage location. "North Korea has TEL - especially those bought from China in 2012 - and does not hesitate to highlight them during its military parades.
Rodger Baker believes that an hour is ample time to be noticed by the US intelligence services - knowing that the country is being scrutinized by many sophisticated tools, including satellites. "Shortly after each test, the Americans and the Japanese asserted whether or not it was conclusive," Rodger recalls. If they are as fast, they are watching the launches live, when they are supposed to be secret. "
According to Rodger Baker, it is hard to imagine that a North Korean nuclear attack could surprise the United States and its allies. "If an attack were to take place, all defense systems would be activated," says the specialist. Japanese ships carrying defensive missiles would immediately enter into action. "
Place to Step 2.
Stage 2: The United States and Japan launch a pre-emptive strike
It is often said that the best defense is the attack. According to geopolitical specialists at George Washington University, if spies had evidence of the imminence of a North Korean nuclear attack, US officials would not hesitate to strike Pyongyang for a second before justifying the decision The United Nations through the argument of the "imminent threat to the security of the country".
Such a decision would not even imply a decision of Donald Trump, according to Rodger Baker. "I am sure that a preemptive strike would be validated by the military, without necessarily going through the political power," he said. The problem would be to justify such a strike with certain international players, such as China, Russia and even South Korea. "If we approach the problem from a political perspective," says Rodger Baker, "it would be better to destroy the missile once in the air rather than on the ground. "
It is unlikely, however, that the United States accepts that a North Korean missile will fly through the air for even a few seconds.
Step 3: A missile is in the air
Well, let's admit that the United States wants to avoid at all costs to hit North Korea directly on the ground. If, unfortunately, they fail to intercept the missile after its launch, and the missile leaves the atmosphere, it is unlikely that it will reach the United States. "The North Koreans seem capable of launching a missile leaving the atmosphere before returning there without being destroyed," says Baker. The trick is that this spillover is useless if the bomb is damaged in the process. "Roughly speaking, even if North Korea were to thwart the interception of its missile, it could be of no use as an intercontinental strike is unreliable given the technology in its possession.

Afterwards, there would be the question of where the missile could end its race. Rodger Baker told me that the most "accessible" places - like Hawaii and Los Angeles - were not necessarily the only ones at risk. "You have to remember the map published a few years ago, with small lines from North Korea to Austin, for example," he recalls.

Step 4: The US and Japan are attempting to shoot the missile before it hits the ground
"Radars and satellite systems are permanently activated, looking for any thermal signature suggesting that a missile has been fired," explains Rodger Baker. For some time now, the United States has been thinking of installing a defense system called South African soil, called the THAAD, but in view of the current political instability in the Quiet Morning country, it appears unlikely In the very short term.
Thus, if the missile is not intercepted by South Korea, everything suggests that it would be intercepted by Japan, which has a substantial and armed fleet for such an operation.

But let's admit that the Japanese are missing and the missile is moving away towards the United States. In this case, the interception will have to be carried out by the American missile defense, based in Alaska. Unfortunately, this system is perfectible. "We can never be 100% sure of the effectiveness of our missile defense," says Rodger Baker.
It would nevertheless be necessary to have a drastic combination of circumstances in order for North Korea to reach its goal. After that, it must be borne in mind that the military capabilities of the country are only increasing and that it is only a matter of time before Pyongyang is endowed with rather scary weapons, like missiles carrying many nuclear warheads Which would go in several directions.
Step 5: China comes into play
This is undoubtedly one of the reasons why Trump should go soft with China. According to Rodger Baker, it is quite possible that in the case of a North Korean attack, China will intervene to try to prevent the outbreak of a new Korean war.
"China has already implied that in the event of a North Korean attack it would not hesitate to intervene militarily in the country and take control in Pyongyang in order to calm the game," said Rodger Baker. I think the Chinese know perfectly well that a world nuclear conflict would be disastrous for them, especially against the United States. "
Other experts reject Baker's analysis and say China will not hesitate to support its North Korean ally. Joel S. Wit, a specialist in Korean-American relations at the John Hopkins School, said in the New York Times that a reversal of the jacket from the Chinese was unlikely. If Xi Jinping pushes his ally to abandon the nuclear weapon, he does not intend to isolate it. "A united and allied Korea in Washington would be very bad news for Beijing given the rivalry between the two superpowers in Asia," he wrote.

Step 6: The United States replies, but does not raze North Korea
Donald Trump said last April that he did not rule out the possibility of using nuclear weapons to eliminate the Islamic state. It could therefore be assumed that in the case of a successful North Korean attack, he would not hesitate to shave the country off the map. And yet, Rodger Baker doubted.
"For me, it's unthinkable. North Korea is not a great military power, and the size of the Korean peninsula is reduced. Lifting an atomic bomb on the country would prevent its rapid revival and, above all, endanger South Korea, our ally. Instead of this strategy, Washington could focus on "the launch of a devastating cruise missile and then an air campaign to destroy all of the North Korean artillery on its southern border" The idea being to prevent Pyongyang from using its artillery and mobile missile launch systems. This would allow the United States to kneel the country without intervening directly in the region.
Step 7: If there is war, North Korea will lose
Now that both sides openly declared war, let's go back to the Stratfor study I mentioned earlier. In fact, "the early hours of the conflict will be critical for North Korea," said Baker. This is where it will have to use all its resources, including chemical weapons, to make any US or South Korean action on the ground impossible and to inflict maximum damage on the northern part of South Korea . Such a move would push the US to intensify its strikes - which would leave little hope in Pyongyang.

"One can go forward without difficulty and say that in the event of a conflict between North Korea and the United States, or even a conflict between the two Koreas, the Kim dynasty would know its last hours, Concludes Rodger Baker

Que se passerait-il si la Corée du Nord bombardait les États-Unis ?

The moment a NOKO sub left port a fast attack would be on it's ass

Yes, but he want to pushes Trump to is limit with his tests already in time Georges W Bush had said: beware of North Korea which could be a very dangerous enemy.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

My first specialty in the Navy was anti-air warfare. I served on two guided missile cruisers.

During those "other assaults", what the hell do you think that North Korea's artillery will be doing to the people of Seoul? Do you think their air defense missiles will just raise a white flag of surrender?

Your naivete is astounding!

Right, "Admiral." So in other words, your opinion is that North Korea is a war we cannot win! Kim Jong-Un has beaten us? As to the people of Seoul, like I said before, you get them out of there. Move them out. Move 'em. Out. Pack up and leave. Stat doing it now. Get 'em out. Stupid place to be, they are sitting ducks and THAAD can't protect them all. But as soon as the Norks launch their attack, we have them!

Excuse me, but were in human history have we evacuated 25 million people? Do you propose building a bridge to Japan for them to walk across?

As I said, your naivete is astounding! Are you sure you are not suffering some form of mental lapse?

 

[toobfreak]

My first specialty in the Navy was anti-air warfare. I served on two guided missile cruisers.

During those "other assaults", what the hell do you think that North Korea's artillery will be doing to the people of Seoul? Do you think their air defense missiles will just raise a white flag of surrender?

Your naivete is astounding!

Right, "Admiral." So in other words, your opinion is that North Korea is a war we cannot win! Kim Jong-Un has beaten us? As to the people of Seoul, like I said before, you get them out of there. Move them out. Move 'em. Out. Pack up and leave. Stat doing it now. Get 'em out. Stupid place to be, they are sitting ducks and THAAD can't protect them all. But as soon as the Norks launch their attack, we have them!

Excuse me, but were in human history have we evacuated 25 million people? Do you propose building a bridge to Japan for them to walk across?

As I said, your naivete is astounding! Are you sure you are not suffering some form of mental lapse?

Do you mean WHERE in human history? And Seoul is only TEN million people, not twenty-three. Not twenty five. As can be seen by the map, there is plenty of room to move the people. Bottom line: YOU MOVE THEM. The worst possible alternative is keeping them where they are at.

And it can be done in a month, 300,000 a day. It can be done pretty easily and kept pretty quiet unless N. Korea has access to sophisticated satellite imagery that can resolve individual cars! But in any regard you move them. What is Kim going to do, launch a missile strike or threaten one unless folks stay pat?

But first you get THAAD in place. Then you reestablish the nuclear threat we once had there that we took out in 1991. Then you start cutting off the Chinese banks. We already cut off one of them. Then you give China the ultimatum of dealing with us or Kim. He needs our trade more than we need them. You squeeze China by the balls and make THEM stop Kim, not us. That is what Trump is probably doing right now. A lot of ball squeezing. And if that does not work, you evacuate Seoul as much as possible and take the military option, and bust Kim in the chops HARD. The game stops here.

No more playing with Kim, no more playing with China, Russia or Iran. The talk is over, the debates are over, the sanctions do not work. But then, as someone who cannot spell the word "where" or even get the population of Seoul correct while arguing against evacuating it, I wouldn't expect you to understand. BTW, we've evacuated a couple of million of people to get out of the way of a hurricane. Surely our top military brass and the S. Koreans can figure out a way of moving 5X more to save being bombed to death. Or they can stay and get bombed.

If I lived in Seoul, I would already be planning my vacation time to be heading SOUTH very soon.

 

[beagle9]

My first specialty in the Navy was anti-air warfare. I served on two guided missile cruisers.

During those "other assaults", what the hell do you think that North Korea's artillery will be doing to the people of Seoul? Do you think their air defense missiles will just raise a white flag of surrender?

Your naivete is astounding!

Right, "Admiral." So in other words, your opinion is that North Korea is a war we cannot win! Kim Jong-Un has beaten us? As to the people of Seoul, like I said before, you get them out of there. Move them out. Move 'em. Out. Pack up and leave. Stat doing it now. Get 'em out. Stupid place to be, they are sitting ducks and THAAD can't protect them all. But as soon as the Norks launch their attack, we have them!

Excuse me, but were in human history have we evacuated 25 million people? Do you propose building a bridge to Japan for them to walk across?

As I said, your naivete is astounding! Are you sure you are not suffering some form of mental lapse?

Do you mean WHERE in human history? And Seoul is only TEN million people, not twenty-three. Not twenty five. As can be seen by the map, there is plenty of room to move the people. Bottom line: YOU MOVE THEM. The worst possible alternative is keeping them where they are at.

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And it can be done in a month, 300,000 a day. It can be done pretty easily and kept pretty quiet unless N. Korea has access to sophisticated satellite imagery that can resolve individual cars! But in any regard you move them. What is Kim going to do, launch a missile strike or threaten one unless folks stay pat?

But first you get THAAD in place. Then you reestablish the nuclear threat we once had there that we took out in 1991. Then you start cutting off the Chinese banks. We already cut off one of them. Then you give China the ultimatum of dealing with us or Kim. He needs our trade more than we need them. You squeeze China by the balls and make THEM stop Kim, not us. That is what Trump is probably doing right now. A lot of ball squeezing. And if that does not work, you evacuate Seoul as much as possible and take the military option, and bust Kim in the chops HARD. The game stops here.

No more playing with Kim, no more playing with China, Russia or Iran. The talk is over, the debates are over, the sanctions do not work. But then, as someone who cannot spell the word "where" or even get the population of Seoul correct while arguing against evacuating it, I wouldn't expect you to understand. BTW, we've evacuated a couple of million of people to get out of the way of a hurricane. Surely our top military brass and the S. Koreans can figure out a way of moving 5X more to save being bombed to death. Or they can stay and get bombed.

If I lived in Seoul, I would already be planning my vacation time to be heading SOUTH very soon.

. Would be cool to evacuate the country of Seoul South Korea under cover of darkness... Little Kim the next day would start huffing & puffing trying to blow their house down, when next Kim would hear "they're gone I tell ya, they're GONE".... That's what little Kim's general would be saying right before his head fell off.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

My first specialty in the Navy was anti-air warfare. I served on two guided missile cruisers.

During those "other assaults", what the hell do you think that North Korea's artillery will be doing to the people of Seoul? Do you think their air defense missiles will just raise a white flag of surrender?

Your naivete is astounding!

Right, "Admiral." So in other words, your opinion is that North Korea is a war we cannot win! Kim Jong-Un has beaten us? As to the people of Seoul, like I said before, you get them out of there. Move them out. Move 'em. Out. Pack up and leave. Stat doing it now. Get 'em out. Stupid place to be, they are sitting ducks and THAAD can't protect them all. But as soon as the Norks launch their attack, we have them!

Excuse me, but were in human history have we evacuated 25 million people? Do you propose building a bridge to Japan for them to walk across?

As I said, your naivete is astounding! Are you sure you are not suffering some form of mental lapse?

Do you mean WHERE in human history? And Seoul is only TEN million people, not twenty-three. Not twenty five. As can be seen by the map, there is plenty of room to move the people. Bottom line: YOU MOVE THEM. The worst possible alternative is keeping them where they are at.

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And it can be done in a month, 300,000 a day. It can be done pretty easily and kept pretty quiet unless N. Korea has access to sophisticated satellite imagery that can resolve individual cars! But in any regard you move them. What is Kim going to do, launch a missile strike or threaten one unless folks stay pat?

But first you get THAAD in place. Then you reestablish the nuclear threat we once had there that we took out in 1991. Then you start cutting off the Chinese banks. We already cut off one of them. Then you give China the ultimatum of dealing with us or Kim. He needs our trade more than we need them. You squeeze China by the balls and make THEM stop Kim, not us. That is what Trump is probably doing right now. A lot of ball squeezing. And if that does not work, you evacuate Seoul as much as possible and take the military option, and bust Kim in the chops HARD. The game stops here.

No more playing with Kim, no more playing with China, Russia or Iran. The talk is over, the debates are over, the sanctions do not work. But then, as someone who cannot spell the word "where" or even get the population of Seoul correct while arguing against evacuating it, I wouldn't expect you to understand. BTW, we've evacuated a couple of million of people to get out of the way of a hurricane. Surely our top military brass and the S. Koreans can figure out a way of moving 5X more to save being bombed to death. Or they can stay and get bombed.

If I lived in Seoul, I would already be planning my vacation time to be heading SOUTH very soon.

What are you going to do about the worldwide economic impact of moving that many people and you STILL haven't said where you are going to move them to? (My God, I left out a letter! Forgive me!)

Remember the Superdome in Katrina anyone?

BTW, suck on this tidbit:

Population (2016[4])
• Special city 10,290,000[1]
• Metro 25,600,000
Seoul - Wikipedia

 

[toobfreak]

What are you going to do about the worldwide economic impact of moving that many people and you STILL haven't said where you are going to move them to? Remember the Superdome in Katrina anyone?

Really a moot point, isn't it? I mean, neither of us are tasked with the actual problem, me, I would tell everyone to go to friends or relatives they know down south. They won't need to be gone long, if we go to war, the rocket sites will be destroyed in a few days. You don't move the people into a "camp," you are just creating the same problem or worse all over again.

Frankly, I have to wonder why the Koreans have been so stupid as to keep their capital so close to the North? If up to me, I would have begun building a new city elsewhere long ago. S. Korea has been very lax in developing their own defense to what has been a very grave threat for a long, long time. You never appease the tiger by showing it weakness. For one thing, I would have shot out those loudspeakers blaring propaganda over the border 24/7.

 

[toobfreak]

Just thought it worth pointing out that in Syria, 5 million have fled the nation. That is already half the population of Seoul, and that was a totally uncoordinated, unstructured, random evacuation, mainly on foot! So there is no doubt that if South Korea chose to evacuate Seoul, they could. It is only a matter of desire, willpower, need, and planning.