Norquist needs to move to Somalia

[Si modo]

I don't watch 60 Minutes because I have something else to do during that time.

I have not seen anything about him that justifies such venom for him. Did someone tell folks that he is a bad guy? Or, what is it that makes him a bad guy?

It's an honest question and I'm looking for an answer.

I would suggest, si, that if you don't understand it, you haven't been looking at what he's done. Grover has gotten every republican candidate for office over the past 20 years or so to sign a pledge saying that they will never raise taxes. they have been afraid NOT to sign that pledge because Grover controls huge amounts of corporate and other money to destroy candidates if they don't sign it. he interprets that pledge as saying they won't even close tax loopholes. so... now, any of those people who have signed the pledge try to fix what's happening to this country and DO try to close loopholes, he puts huge amounts of money into defeating them. he won't say where his money comes from. he won't say who is funding him.

grover is a lobbyist who is, in reality, the most powerful man in the country.

it should offend you to your core.

but this article talking about the 60 minutes segment should help.

ttp://www.wltx.com/news/national/article/159915/142/Grover-Norquists-hold-on-the-GOP

and if you want to watch, you can find the whole segment on 60 minutes' site.

Thanks. I'll look at the article.

 

[Sallow]

I think we should raise taxes only on Norquist. He should be walking up and down the street wearing a barrel over his barrel-like bod.

People should throw tomatoes at him and laugh.

The little pig should be made to suffer like he is attempting to make hard working Americans suffer.

He's an anti-american prick. He wants to drown the constitution in a bathtub.

Fuck him.

How does he want to drown the Constitution?

“I think government, up to a certain point, advances human liberty. Police, a judicial system and an army to prevent people from stealing stuff out of your car, out of your house, knocking you on your head or the Canadians coming over and invading the country,” he said. “Those are actually mentioned in the Constitution and in the history of our country as legitimate things for our government to do and they make us freer, not less free. I am for limited government that does a limited number of things competently.”

Looks like Norquist is a real bad guy for saying that, so un-American.

And, for saying he doesn't want highER taxes.

So, how is he against the Constitution? I'm trying to understand the venom I see for this guy.

Again..one of the jobs of congress is the levy taxes. You know..like to pay for those things Norquist likes, like the army, judicial system and police. And there are things that Norquist may not like..that have to be paid for as well. You see..we are a country of people with more then Norquist ideas. We have many ideas. While Norquist may like the army..I like educating kids and feeding them. Norquist may not like that. What we don't get to do is a line item tax return. We have to pay for the stuff we like..and the stuff we don't like.

That shit ain't free.

 

[Si modo]

He's an anti-american prick. He wants to drown the constitution in a bathtub.

Fuck him.

How does he want to drown the Constitution?

“I think government, up to a certain point, advances human liberty. Police, a judicial system and an army to prevent people from stealing stuff out of your car, out of your house, knocking you on your head or the Canadians coming over and invading the country,” he said. “Those are actually mentioned in the Constitution and in the history of our country as legitimate things for our government to do and they make us freer, not less free. I am for limited government that does a limited number of things competently.”

Looks like Norquist is a real bad guy for saying that, so un-American.

And, for saying he doesn't want highER taxes.

So, how is he against the Constitution? I'm trying to understand the venom I see for this guy.

Again..one of the jobs of congress is the levy taxes. You know..like to pay for those things Norquist likes, like the army, judicial system and police. And there are things that Norquist may not like..that have to be paid for as well. You see..we are a country of people with more then Norquist ideas. We have many ideas. While Norquist may like the army..I like educating kids and feeding them. Norquist may not like that. What we don't get to do is a line item tax return. We have to pay for the stuff we like..and the stuff we don't like.

That shit ain't free.

But how is his not wanting higher taxes unconstitutional? I'm trying to see how what you just said supports your statement that he wants 'to drown the Constitution'.

 

[editec]

Where is John Galt, now that we really need him?

Like the Pied Piper Norquist ought to lead his people to John Galt's anarchist utopia, Atlantis.

Then the rest of us collective parsites can get about the business of reconsituting a functional society.

 

[Stephanie]

Wow, now they are telling us we should leave the country if we all don't AGREE with their ideas..

 

[ba1614]

[Norquist] raised an issue we get all the time which is, ‘Well there’s nothing stopping you guys from paying higher taxes, just send a check to the government!’ And this to me is frankly an absurd position; I don’t consider it to be a very serious argument. Government is not a charity and we can’t rely on voluntary contributions from people to support the things that government does. And I also said to him, ‘Look would you be willing to sign a pledge where you’re willing to forgo all the benefits that government provides? Are you willing to sign a pledge that says you don’t want the U.S. military to protect you? That you will refuse to contact the police if somebody steals from you? That you will refuse to contact the fire department if your house is on fire? Because that’s the equivalent! Why should you get a free ride? Why should you benefit from my willingness to support the government? Let’s do it together.’ And he said, ‘If I don’t have to pay any taxes for it, I would forgo all those things!’ To which my response was, ‘Well there’s an easy way to do that, move to Somalia!’ And his argument was, ‘Somalia doesn’t suffer from too little government, it suffers from too much government.’ I don’t even begin to understand what that means, but again there’s only so much you can go into in these conversations.

And take all his supporters with him. Truly.

Yes. I am completely serious.

Patriotic Millionaires To Grover Norquist: 'Move To Somalia'

You assclowns that think it's soooo bad in America are the ones who need to visit a place like Somalia.

 

[Sarah G]

Wow, now they are telling us we should leave the country if we all don't AGREE with their ideas..

Yes Stephanie, get the fuck out.

 

[Stephanie]

Wow, now they are telling us we should leave the country if we all don't AGREE with their ideas..

Yes Stephanie, get the fuck out.

you first...bye bye

 

[Sallow]

How does he want to drown the Constitution?

“I think government, up to a certain point, advances human liberty. Police, a judicial system and an army to prevent people from stealing stuff out of your car, out of your house, knocking you on your head or the Canadians coming over and invading the country,” he said. “Those are actually mentioned in the Constitution and in the history of our country as legitimate things for our government to do and they make us freer, not less free. I am for limited government that does a limited number of things competently.”

Looks like Norquist is a real bad guy for saying that, so un-American.

And, for saying he doesn't want highER taxes.

So, how is he against the Constitution? I'm trying to understand the venom I see for this guy.

Again..one of the jobs of congress is the levy taxes. You know..like to pay for those things Norquist likes, like the army, judicial system and police. And there are things that Norquist may not like..that have to be paid for as well. You see..we are a country of people with more then Norquist ideas. We have many ideas. While Norquist may like the army..I like educating kids and feeding them. Norquist may not like that. What we don't get to do is a line item tax return. We have to pay for the stuff we like..and the stuff we don't like.

That shit ain't free.

But how is his not wanting higher taxes unconstitutional? I'm trying to see how what you just said supports your statement that he wants 'to drown the Constitution'.

The government is mandated by the constitution to pay it's debts. The government is mandated by the constitution to levy tax.

I don't see why that's so hard to understand. Seriously..if you want to cut spending..then cut it. George W. Bush had both houses of congress in the Republican column and didn't cut spending. Quite the opposite..he raised it. What he cut was revenue.

Time and time again, most people in congress are more then willing to cut spending, in other people's backyards. Look at Bachmann..darling of the Tea Party. She's running around going "pork, pork, pork" yet she took over a quarter of a million dollars for her family's businesses.

You can't make this shit up.

 

[Si modo]

Again..one of the jobs of congress is the levy taxes. You know..like to pay for those things Norquist likes, like the army, judicial system and police. And there are things that Norquist may not like..that have to be paid for as well. You see..we are a country of people with more then Norquist ideas. We have many ideas. While Norquist may like the army..I like educating kids and feeding them. Norquist may not like that. What we don't get to do is a line item tax return. We have to pay for the stuff we like..and the stuff we don't like.

That shit ain't free.

But how is his not wanting higher taxes unconstitutional? I'm trying to see how what you just said supports your statement that he wants 'to drown the Constitution'.

The government is mandated by the constitution to pay it's debts. The government is mandated by the constitution to levy tax.

I don't see why that's so hard to understand. Seriously..if you want to cut spending..then cut it. George W. Bush had both houses of congress in the Republican column and didn't cut spending. Quite the opposite..he raised it. What he cut was revenue.

Time and time again, most people in congress are more then willing to cut spending, in other people's backyards. Look at Bachmann..darling of the Tea Party. She's running around going "pork, pork, pork" yet she took over a quarter of a million dollars for her family's businesses.

You can't make this shit up.

Uh huh. You still didn't answer the question.

So, how is being against higher taxes unconstitutional?

 

[bripat9643]

You might want to watch his act on 60-minutes before defending him. GN is little different than then the quintessential former general who by coup and violence hijacks a republic and a legislature to do his bidding. Failure to toe the line set by such despots results in the death or imprisonment of law makers.

When did Norquist kill or imprison anyone? Oh yeah, he never did.

The venom and hyperbole directed at this guy from leftwing imbeciles like you really is amazing. He must be having a significant impact on the policy debate. But the left can't stand to have anyone arguing against tax increases. It's un-American!

 

[bripat9643]

Again..one of the jobs of congress is the levy taxes. You know..like to pay for those things Norquist likes, like the army, judicial system and police. And there are things that Norquist may not like..that have to be paid for as well. You see..we are a country of people with more then Norquist ideas. We have many ideas. While Norquist may like the army..I like educating kids and feeding them. Norquist may not like that. What we don't get to do is a line item tax return. We have to pay for the stuff we like..and the stuff we don't like.

That shit ain't free.

So you think increasing the rate of taxation is Congress's job?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Man, you kill me!

Could you quote the language in the Constitution where it commands Congress to increase the rate of taxation? I must have missed that part.

 

[bripat9643]

But how is his not wanting higher taxes unconstitutional? I'm trying to see how what you just said supports your statement that he wants 'to drown the Constitution'.

You don't understand. If liberals are against it, then it must be unconstitutional!

How dare anyone argue against the liberal agenda!

 

[bripat9643]

Where is John Galt, now that we really need him?

Like the Pied Piper Norquist ought to lead his people to John Galt's anarchist utopia, Atlantis.

Then the rest of us collective parsites can get about the business of reconsituting a functional society.

If you don't like the way our democracy works, you're free to get the hell out.

 

[bripat9643]

The government is mandated by the constitution to pay it's debts.

No it isn't, dipstick. If it was, then how could the country have run a deficit for the last 90 years?

The government is mandated by the constitution to levy tax.

Wrong again, turd.

I don't see why that's so hard to understand. Seriously..if you want to cut spending..then cut it. George W. Bush had both houses of congress in the Republican column and didn't cut spending. Quite the opposite..he raised it. What he cut was revenue.

If you want to raise taxes, then raise them. Obama had both houses of Congress in the Democrat column and didn't raise taxes enough to suit you.

Time and time again, most people in congress are more then willing to cut spending, in other people's backyards. Look at Bachmann..darling of the Tea Party. She's running around going "pork, pork, pork" yet she took over a quarter of a million dollars for her family's businesses.

You can't make this shit up.

So? We all know Congress is dysfunctional.

 

[NYcarbineer]

At the very least Republicans should be willing to vote to pay for the spending they did and didn't pay for at the time.

Grover Norquist is willing to support cutting taxes without cutting spending, which makes him and anyone who agrees with him fiscally irresponsible by definition.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The government is mandated by the constitution to pay it's debts.

No it isn't, dipstick. If it was, then how could the country have run a deficit for the last 90 years?

Because running a deficit doesn't mean you're not paying your debts. Running a deficit means you're adding debt,

like adding to a credit card balance. As long as your making the payments, you're paying your debts.

It's unconstitutional to default.

 

[bripat9643]

Because running a deficit doesn't mean you're not paying your debts. Running a deficit means you're adding debt,

like adding to a credit card balance. As long as your making the payments, you're paying your debts.

It's unconstitutional to default.

Then there is no Constitutional requirement to increase taxes, is there?

Furthermore, it's not even unconstitutional for the govenrment to default.

 

[AmericanFirst]

[Norquist] raised an issue we get all the time which is, ‘Well there’s nothing stopping you guys from paying higher taxes, just send a check to the government!’ And this to me is frankly an absurd position; I don’t consider it to be a very serious argument. Government is not a charity and we can’t rely on voluntary contributions from people to support the things that government does. And I also said to him, ‘Look would you be willing to sign a pledge where you’re willing to forgo all the benefits that government provides? Are you willing to sign a pledge that says you don’t want the U.S. military to protect you? That you will refuse to contact the police if somebody steals from you? That you will refuse to contact the fire department if your house is on fire? Because that’s the equivalent! Why should you get a free ride? Why should you benefit from my willingness to support the government? Let’s do it together.’ And he said, ‘If I don’t have to pay any taxes for it, I would forgo all those things!’ To which my response was, ‘Well there’s an easy way to do that, move to Somalia!’ And his argument was, ‘Somalia doesn’t suffer from too little government, it suffers from too much government.’ I don’t even begin to understand what that means, but again there’s only so much you can go into in these conversations.

And take all his supporters with him. Truly.

Yes. I am completely serious.

Patriotic Millionaires To Grover Norquist: 'Move To Somalia'

Truth gives you a migrain doesn't it? You socialists are the ones that need to move, to kenya with your kenyan potus.

 

[bripat9643]

At the very least Republicans should be willing to vote to pay for the spending they did and didn't pay for at the time.

It's all Democrat spending, not Republican spending. 90% of what the federal government spends money on are Democrat social programs

Grover Norquist is willing to support cutting taxes without cutting spending, which makes him and anyone who agrees with him fiscally irresponsible by definition.

Norquist doesn't ask Congressmen to pledge to cut taxes. He only demands that they don't raise taxes, so your claim is horseshit, as usual.