None of our founding fathers said the pledge of alliegance.

[Charles_Main]

Don't forget the Bellamy salute

So saying the pledge is akin to saluting as the Nazi's did when the pledge speaks of LIBERTY and Justice?

Really?

You are on something...seriously.

WHY do you hate this Republic?

the bellamy salute was done by USA school children as it was part of the original pledge. thats what those pictures are

One little difference between those kids and the Nazis.

Those kids are saluting a flag. Hailing a Nation. The Nazis were saluting a man, and a Political Party.

 

[uscitizen]

Now I understand why right wingers like to play Nazi.
It is their patriotism to America.

hahahahahaha

 

[Dr.House]

None of our founding fathers did jello shots off a hooker's ass....

LOL, Just keep on showing yours.

Showing my what?

 

[Bfgrn]

So saying the pledge is akin to saluting as the Nazi's did when the pledge speaks of LIBERTY and Justice?

Really?

You are on something...seriously.

WHY do you hate this Republic?

the bellamy salute was done by USA school children as it was part of the original pledge. thats what those pictures are

thanks, do you have a link for those photos and story?
I did not know about that. I suspect virtually no one else did either.

Pledge of Allegiance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[loosecannon]

So saying the pledge is akin to saluting as the Nazi's did when the pledge speaks of LIBERTY and Justice?

Really?

You are on something...seriously.

WHY do you hate this Republic?

the bellamy salute was done by USA school children as it was part of the original pledge. thats what those pictures are

thanks, do you have a link for those photos and story?
I did not know about that. I suspect virtually no one else did either.

The Bellamy salute is the hand gesture described by Francis Bellamy (1855–1931) to accompany the American Pledge of Allegiance, which he had authored. During the period when it was used with the Pledge of Allegiance, it was sometimes known as the "flag salute". It was first demonstrated on October 12, 1892 according to Bellamy's published instructions for the "National School Celebration of Columbus Day":

At a signal from the Principal the pupils, in ordered ranks, hands to the side, face the Flag. Another signal is given; every pupil gives the flag the military salute -- right hand lifted, palm downward, to a line with the forehead and close to it. Standing thus, all repeat together, slowly, “I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands; one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.” At the words, “to my Flag,” the right hand is extended gracefully, palm upward, toward the Flag, and remains in this gesture till the end of the affirmation; whereupon all hands immediately drop to the side.

– From The Youth’s Companion, 65 (1892): 446–447.

The inventor of the saluting gesture was James B. Upham, junior partner and editor of the The Youth's Companion.[1] Bellamy recalled Upham, upon reading the pledge, came into the posture of the salute, snapped his heels together, and said "Now up there is the flag; I come to salute; as I say 'I pledge allegiance to my flag,' I stretch out my right hand and keep it raised while I say the stirring words that follow."[1]

The initial civilian salute was replaced with a hand-on-heart gesture, followed by the extension of the arm as described by Bellamy.

In the 1920s, Italian fascists adopted the Roman salute to symbolize their claim to have revitalized Italy on the model of ancient Rome. This was quickly copied by the German Nazis, creating the Nazi salute. The similarity to the Bellamy salute led to confusion, especially during World War II. From 1939 until the attack on Pearl Harbor, detractors of Americans who argued against intervention in World War II produced propaganda using the salute to lessen those Americans' reputations. Among the anti-interventionist Americans was aviation pioneer Charles Lindbergh. Supporters of Lindbergh's views would claim that Lindbergh did not support Adolf Hitler, and that pictures of him appearing to do the Nazi salute were actually pictures of him using the Bellamy salute. In his Pulitzer prize winning biography Lindbergh, author A. Scott Berg explains that interventionist propagandists would photograph Lindbergh and other isolationists using this salute from an angle that left out the American flag, so it would be indistinguishable from the Hitler salute to observers.

In order to prevent further confusion or controversy, President Franklin D. Roosevelt instituted the hand-over-the-heart gesture as the salute to be rendered by civilians during the Pledge of Allegiance and the national anthem in the United States, instead of the Bellamy salute.[2] This was done when Congress officially amended the Flag Code on 22 December 1942.[3][4]

There was initially some resistance to dropping the Bellamy salute, for example from the Daughters of the American Revolution,[5] but this opposition died down quickly.

Bellamy salute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In Fascism we trust.

 

[uscitizen]

None of our founding fathers did jello shots off a hooker's ass....

LOL, Just keep on showing yours.

Showing my what?

Ass.

 

[blu]

So saying the pledge is akin to saluting as the Nazi's did when the pledge speaks of LIBERTY and Justice?

Really?

You are on something...seriously.

WHY do you hate this Republic?

the bellamy salute was done by USA school children as it was part of the original pledge. thats what those pictures are

thanks, do you have a link for those photos and story?
I did not know about that. I suspect virtually no one else did either.

Bellamy salute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

you can google about it too, lots of documentation on it

 

[uscitizen]

the bellamy salute was done by USA school children as it was part of the original pledge. thats what those pictures are

thanks, do you have a link for those photos and story?
I did not know about that. I suspect virtually no one else did either.

The Bellamy salute is the hand gesture described by Francis Bellamy (1855–1931) to accompany the American Pledge of Allegiance, which he had authored. During the period when it was used with the Pledge of Allegiance, it was sometimes known as the "flag salute". It was first demonstrated on October 12, 1892 according to Bellamy's published instructions for the "National School Celebration of Columbus Day":

At a signal from the Principal the pupils, in ordered ranks, hands to the side, face the Flag. Another signal is given; every pupil gives the flag the military salute -- right hand lifted, palm downward, to a line with the forehead and close to it. Standing thus, all repeat together, slowly, “I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands; one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.” At the words, “to my Flag,” the right hand is extended gracefully, palm upward, toward the Flag, and remains in this gesture till the end of the affirmation; whereupon all hands immediately drop to the side.

– From The Youth’s Companion, 65 (1892): 446–447.

The inventor of the saluting gesture was James B. Upham, junior partner and editor of the The Youth's Companion.[1] Bellamy recalled Upham, upon reading the pledge, came into the posture of the salute, snapped his heels together, and said "Now up there is the flag; I come to salute; as I say 'I pledge allegiance to my flag,' I stretch out my right hand and keep it raised while I say the stirring words that follow."[1]

The initial civilian salute was replaced with a hand-on-heart gesture, followed by the extension of the arm as described by Bellamy.

In the 1920s, Italian fascists adopted the Roman salute to symbolize their claim to have revitalized Italy on the model of ancient Rome. This was quickly copied by the German Nazis, creating the Nazi salute. The similarity to the Bellamy salute led to confusion, especially during World War II. From 1939 until the attack on Pearl Harbor, detractors of Americans who argued against intervention in World War II produced propaganda using the salute to lessen those Americans' reputations. Among the anti-interventionist Americans was aviation pioneer Charles Lindbergh. Supporters of Lindbergh's views would claim that Lindbergh did not support Adolf Hitler, and that pictures of him appearing to do the Nazi salute were actually pictures of him using the Bellamy salute. In his Pulitzer prize winning biography Lindbergh, author A. Scott Berg explains that interventionist propagandists would photograph Lindbergh and other isolationists using this salute from an angle that left out the American flag, so it would be indistinguishable from the Hitler salute to observers.

In order to prevent further confusion or controversy, President Franklin D. Roosevelt instituted the hand-over-the-heart gesture as the salute to be rendered by civilians during the Pledge of Allegiance and the national anthem in the United States, instead of the Bellamy salute.[2] This was done when Congress officially amended the Flag Code on 22 December 1942.[3][4]

There was initially some resistance to dropping the Bellamy salute, for example from the Daughters of the American Revolution,[5] but this opposition died down quickly.

Bellamy salute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In Fascism we trust.

thanks, now I understand more of why the American Nazi party was strong in the USA prior to WW2.
They had grown up giving that salute.

 

[shintao]

But those pledges were not THE pledge of alliegance which is the topic of this thread.

Men have pledged feality and such to kings and governments since before the dark ages. but that is not the topic of this thread.

Since they are both the same? I think your thread title and intent is Bogus...as are you.

Ahh, but there is the possibility that you are a clam that came ashore and is posting in a 24 hour coffee shop computer along the coast. That being the case, you are dumber than a clam with wet pants on a friday night.

 

[Bfgrn]

So saying the pledge is akin to saluting as the Nazi's did when the pledge speaks of LIBERTY and Justice?

Really?

You are on something...seriously.

WHY do you hate this Republic?

the bellamy salute was done by USA school children as it was part of the original pledge. thats what those pictures are

One little difference between those kids and the Nazis.

Those kids are saluting a flag. Hailing a Nation. The Nazis were saluting a man, and a Political Party.

There is little difference between German nationals following Hitler into invading Poland and mindless nationals here following Bush into invading Iraq.

Our nation is somewhat sad, but we’re angry. There’s a certain level of blood lust, but we won’t let it drive our reaction. We’re steady, clear-eyed and patient, but pretty soon we’ll have to start displaying scalps.
George W. Bush

 

[bodecea]

thanks, do you have a link for those photos and story?
I did not know about that. I suspect virtually no one else did either.

The Bellamy salute is the hand gesture described by Francis Bellamy (1855–1931) to accompany the American Pledge of Allegiance, which he had authored. During the period when it was used with the Pledge of Allegiance, it was sometimes known as the "flag salute". It was first demonstrated on October 12, 1892 according to Bellamy's published instructions for the "National School Celebration of Columbus Day":




The inventor of the saluting gesture was James B. Upham, junior partner and editor of the The Youth's Companion.[1] Bellamy recalled Upham, upon reading the pledge, came into the posture of the salute, snapped his heels together, and said "Now up there is the flag; I come to salute; as I say 'I pledge allegiance to my flag,' I stretch out my right hand and keep it raised while I say the stirring words that follow."[1]

The initial civilian salute was replaced with a hand-on-heart gesture, followed by the extension of the arm as described by Bellamy.

In the 1920s, Italian fascists adopted the Roman salute to symbolize their claim to have revitalized Italy on the model of ancient Rome. This was quickly copied by the German Nazis, creating the Nazi salute. The similarity to the Bellamy salute led to confusion, especially during World War II. From 1939 until the attack on Pearl Harbor, detractors of Americans who argued against intervention in World War II produced propaganda using the salute to lessen those Americans' reputations. Among the anti-interventionist Americans was aviation pioneer Charles Lindbergh. Supporters of Lindbergh's views would claim that Lindbergh did not support Adolf Hitler, and that pictures of him appearing to do the Nazi salute were actually pictures of him using the Bellamy salute. In his Pulitzer prize winning biography Lindbergh, author A. Scott Berg explains that interventionist propagandists would photograph Lindbergh and other isolationists using this salute from an angle that left out the American flag, so it would be indistinguishable from the Hitler salute to observers.

In order to prevent further confusion or controversy, President Franklin D. Roosevelt instituted the hand-over-the-heart gesture as the salute to be rendered by civilians during the Pledge of Allegiance and the national anthem in the United States, instead of the Bellamy salute.[2] This was done when Congress officially amended the Flag Code on 22 December 1942.[3][4]

There was initially some resistance to dropping the Bellamy salute, for example from the Daughters of the American Revolution,[5] but this opposition died down quickly.

Bellamy salute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In Fascism we trust.

thanks, now I understand more of why the American Nazi party was strong in the USA prior to WW2.

If you have time, research a collection of Republican Congressional essays/speechs before WWII compiled by Rex Stout called "Magnificent Dunderheads"....how they go on and on praising Hitler and how well he had things under control in Germany and to be admired.

 

[Dr.House]

LOL, Just keep on showing yours.

Showing my what?

Ass.

Why are you looking at my ass?

 

[Samson]

Didn't have Medicare, Or SS, or unemployment, or Food stamps, or Wic, or any Government ran Welfare at all either. How very un-Liberal Democrat of them.

Being Slaveowners probably didn't help much either.

Why do you almost always try to dumb threads down and divert them from their core message?

Are you a sociopathic propagandist, a narcissist or just a clown?

The pledge is a socialist ploy, historically proven. It has verifiable roots in feudalist tradition. It is not represented in the constitution and it is a form of self brainwashing, or mass hypnosis.

How can you deem that as "no harm"?

You don't get much sex, do you.

 

[uscitizen]

But those pledges were not THE pledge of alliegance which is the topic of this thread.

Men have pledged feality and such to kings and governments since before the dark ages. but that is not the topic of this thread.

Since they are both the same? I think your thread title and intent is Bogus...as are you.

Ahh, but there is the possibility that you are a clam that came ashore and is posting in a 24 hour coffee shop computer along the coast. That being the case, you are dumber than a clam with wet pants on a friday night.

what a demented assumption.

 

[uscitizen]

Showing my what?

Ass.

Why are you looking at my ass?

You are not familiar with the phrase "showing your ass"?

or just playing ignorant?

 

[blu]

thanks, do you have a link for those photos and story?
I did not know about that. I suspect virtually no one else did either.

The Bellamy salute is the hand gesture described by Francis Bellamy (1855–1931) to accompany the American Pledge of Allegiance, which he had authored. During the period when it was used with the Pledge of Allegiance, it was sometimes known as the "flag salute". It was first demonstrated on October 12, 1892 according to Bellamy's published instructions for the "National School Celebration of Columbus Day":




The inventor of the saluting gesture was James B. Upham, junior partner and editor of the The Youth's Companion.[1] Bellamy recalled Upham, upon reading the pledge, came into the posture of the salute, snapped his heels together, and said "Now up there is the flag; I come to salute; as I say 'I pledge allegiance to my flag,' I stretch out my right hand and keep it raised while I say the stirring words that follow."[1]

The initial civilian salute was replaced with a hand-on-heart gesture, followed by the extension of the arm as described by Bellamy.

In the 1920s, Italian fascists adopted the Roman salute to symbolize their claim to have revitalized Italy on the model of ancient Rome. This was quickly copied by the German Nazis, creating the Nazi salute. The similarity to the Bellamy salute led to confusion, especially during World War II. From 1939 until the attack on Pearl Harbor, detractors of Americans who argued against intervention in World War II produced propaganda using the salute to lessen those Americans' reputations. Among the anti-interventionist Americans was aviation pioneer Charles Lindbergh. Supporters of Lindbergh's views would claim that Lindbergh did not support Adolf Hitler, and that pictures of him appearing to do the Nazi salute were actually pictures of him using the Bellamy salute. In his Pulitzer prize winning biography Lindbergh, author A. Scott Berg explains that interventionist propagandists would photograph Lindbergh and other isolationists using this salute from an angle that left out the American flag, so it would be indistinguishable from the Hitler salute to observers.

In order to prevent further confusion or controversy, President Franklin D. Roosevelt instituted the hand-over-the-heart gesture as the salute to be rendered by civilians during the Pledge of Allegiance and the national anthem in the United States, instead of the Bellamy salute.[2] This was done when Congress officially amended the Flag Code on 22 December 1942.[3][4]

There was initially some resistance to dropping the Bellamy salute, for example from the Daughters of the American Revolution,[5] but this opposition died down quickly.

Bellamy salute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In Fascism we trust.

thanks, now I understand more of why the American Nazi party was strong in the USA prior to WW2.
They had grown up giving that salute.

people don't understand how close we were to joining hilters side. if the business plot and its other offshoots would have went through we would have become a military dictatorship overnight. The only reason it didn't happen is because no one in the military with enough power would join and finally someone ousted them.

The same people involved in the business plot were the same people who had to be forcibly stopped (by congress) from investing in and helping manufacture for the Nazi's

Business Plot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power | World news | The Guardian

 

[loosecannon]

thanks, now I understand more of why the American Nazi party was strong in the USA prior to WW2.
They had grown up giving that salute.

Eugenics and social engineering was also popular in the US prior to WWII. Henry Ford and most of the uber elite robber barons were financing eugenics policy including Planned Parenthood which began as a eugenics program sponsored by Henry Ford and Prescott Bush.

We were a nazi fascist nation complete with our own fascist coup attempt:

The Business Plot (also the Plot Against FDR and the White House Putsch) was an alleged political conspiracy in 1933. Retired Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler claimed that wealthy businessmen were plotting to create a fascist veterans' organization and use it in a coup d’état to overthrow United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt, with Butler as leader of that organization. In 1934 Butler testified to the McCormack-Dickstein Congressional committee on these claims.[1] In the opinion of the committee, these allegations were credible.

Business Plot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[blu]

Bellamy salute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In Fascism we trust.

thanks, now I understand more of why the American Nazi party was strong in the USA prior to WW2.

If you have time, research a collection of Republican Congressional essays/speechs before WWII compiled by Rex Stout called "Magnificent Dunderheads"....how they go on and on praising Hitler and how well he had things under control in Germany and to be admired.

see my last post

 

[loosecannon]

Being Slaveowners probably didn't help much either.

Why do you almost always try to dumb threads down and divert them from their core message?

Are you a sociopathic propagandist, a narcissist or just a clown?

The pledge is a socialist ploy, historically proven. It has verifiable roots in feudalist tradition. It is not represented in the constitution and it is a form of self brainwashing, or mass hypnosis.

How can you deem that as "no harm"?

You don't get much sex, do you.

You wish you had my sex life, kid.

 

[Charles_Main]

the bellamy salute was done by USA school children as it was part of the original pledge. thats what those pictures are

One little difference between those kids and the Nazis.

Those kids are saluting a flag. Hailing a Nation. The Nazis were saluting a man, and a Political Party.

There is little difference between German nationals following Hitler into invading Poland and mindless nationals here following Bush into invading Iraq.

How does saying the pledge have anything to do with Mindlessly following Bush into Iraq?

We can say the pledge and not blindly support the President. Because the pledge is to the flag of a nation who's government is We the people, Not one man. When you say the pledge you are not praising the president, or even supporting him. I look at it as pledging to protect, defend, and love the People and constitution that make America, America.