NOAA says sea level rise is 1.8 mm per year?

[IanC]

Sea Level Trends - Global Regional Trends

Are they saying the rest of the SLR is adjustments? It is only actual rise at the coast that makes a difference. Supposed bulges out in the oceans that can't be verified are inconsequential.

 

[mamooth]

No, they're saying average for 1950-2009 is 1.7.

And gotcha games based on one number on an old web page look desperate.

 

[flacaltenn]

Sea Level Trends - Global Regional Trends

Are they saying the rest of the SLR is adjustments? It is only actual rise at the coast that makes a difference. Supposed bulges out in the oceans that can't be verified are inconsequential.

Have no idea what that is?? I looked at the Atlantic "graphs" and they only show about 6 SHORE stations.
BTW Canada ranges from -9mm/yr to about +3mm/yr --- without land adjustments.. So SOMEONE is on rapidly rising ground there.

If that IS the "shoreline" data --- then that's quite interesting as one of them silly "GLOBAL" numbers..

It's like the depth of autumn leaves on my property. The only ones that REALLY matter are the ones the wife can see on the lawn..

 

[mamooth]

Churchill especially is on rapidly rising ground, from post-glacial rebound.

And yes, we know you all think the satellite measurements are faked. Hence, there's no point in discussing it further.

 

[flacaltenn]

Churchill especially is on rapidly rising ground, from post-glacial rebound.

And yes, we know you all think the satellite measurements are faked. Hence, there's no point in discussing it further.

I have NEVER said that. Please follow along best you can..
You're the one who prefers 100,000 sparsely placed thermometers to satellite data..

OHHHHH !!! I get. Projecting again...

 

[flacaltenn]

However --- now that you bring it up.. There might be such a thing as TOO accurate when it comes to measuring sea level. As when you're measuring sea state due to weather rather than actual basin rise.

Would be interesting to see if the interannual sea level from sat changes with the seasons for instance. Since the fall and spring around the globe have the most interesting storms and weather.

 

[IanC]

No, they're saying average for 1950-2009 is 1.7.

And gotcha games based on one number on an old web page look desperate.

Would older data increase the SLR?

The last revision was Oct2013. You consider that out of date?

I have seen papers that compares SLR on land masses that are rising at one end and dropping at the other. The tide gauges at the pivot point show very little SLR, in the 0-2 mm/yr range. I am not stating that I know what the 'true' SLR is. But coastal measurements are at odds with the adjusted satellite estimates.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Things that can cahnge Sea levels.... Hmmmmm

Wind..
Land rise..
Land subsidence..
Position of the Moon...
Earths axial tilt to the sun...

I could go on and on but quibbling with alarmist morons about less than 2cm is stupidity as the MOE is greater than 1cm.

 

[Crick]

This says 3.3 mm/yr (13 in/century) average over the last 21 years. if you'd like to cherry pick, over several different spans since that low spot in 2011, we could get it as high as 8 mm/yr (32 in/century). And the WAIS is just getting started.

 

[Crick]

Things that can cahnge Sea levels.... Hmmmmm

Wind..
Land rise..
Land subsidence..
Position of the Moon...
Earths axial tilt to the sun...

I could go on and on but quibbling with alarmist morons about less than 2cm is stupidity as the MOE is greater than 1cm.

And you think NOAA and the CU sea level lab are unaware of those points? Wow...

 

[IanC]

Satellite graphs of SLR over the globe have areas of 10 mm/yr rise next to areas of 10 mm/yr drop. Why doesn't the water flow from on to the other. After all it has been close to 25 years. Will this continue for another 25 years? It is also interesting that the SLR anomalous results seem to be in tectonically active areas. Are the satellites picking up gravity signals of something other than water mass?

 

[IanC]

this is a trend map, not just a topological map to show the 'bumpiness' of the Earth's oceans. what is causing the string of alternating red and blue (rising and falling) areas off the Horn of Africa? or the blue dot amongst the fastest rising area on Earth off the coast of Japan?

it is easy to understand why the ocean off Indonesia would be higher, trade winds. what is not so easy to explain is why it continues to climb every year and stays in the same spot. long running disparities in trend are a sign of artifacts in the satellite calculations. only my opinion of course

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, Ian, perhaps a few college level courses in physics, geology, and oceanography would help you understand.

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/

Sea Level
LATEST MEASUREMENT: May 2015
65.67 mm
Sea level rise is caused primarily by two factors related to global warming: the added water from melting land ice and the expansion of sea water as it warms. The first chart tracks the change in sea level since 1993 as observed by satellites.

The second chart, derived from coastal tide gauge data, shows how much sea level changed from about 1870 to 2000.

SATELLITE DATA: 1993-PRESENT
Data source: Satellite sea level observations.
Credit: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
RATE OF CHANGE

3.21
mm per year

 

[CrusaderFrank]

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^ Guam

Still upright

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[flacaltenn]

SLRise charts that go back only to 1993 don't say crap about climate related trends CrickHam.. The dispute between satellite and tide gauge readings has never been COMPLETELY resolved. The sats have much better coverage of the open basins, but the THREAT to civilization is shorebound. And what's happening in the open basins is more weather and ocean conveyors...

I would really like to see sat data for the Global split into Coastal and Marine.. THAT would be real useful..

 

[jc456]

this is a trend map, not just a topological map to show the 'bumpiness' of the Earth's oceans. what is causing the string of alternating red and blue (rising and falling) areas off the Horn of Africa? or the blue dot amongst the fastest rising area on Earth off the coast of Japan?

it is easy to understand why the ocean off Indonesia would be higher, trade winds. what is not so easy to explain is why it continues to climb every year and stays in the same spot. long running disparities in trend are a sign of artifacts in the satellite calculations. only my opinion of course

and what happened to all the heat for the el nino?

 

[jc456]

Well, Ian, perhaps a few college level courses in physics, geology, and oceanography would help you understand.

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/

Sea Level
LATEST MEASUREMENT: May 2015
65.67 mm
Sea level rise is caused primarily by two factors related to global warming: the added water from melting land ice and the expansion of sea water as it warms. The first chart tracks the change in sea level since 1993 as observed by satellites.

The second chart, derived from coastal tide gauge data, shows how much sea level changed from about 1870 to 2000.

SATELLITE DATA: 1993-PRESENT
Data source: Satellite sea level observations.
Credit: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
RATE OF CHANGE

3.21
mm per year

so old socks, how high does warming water get? Got some examples of this tragic state?

 

[jc456]

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^ Guam

Still upright

Still a DENIER!!

warm water must produce tsunamis eh? BTW, to date, no evidence of how high water gets as it warms. An inch, a foot, a yard, a mile. What is it? these stoopos keep posting it like it's a tsunami event. I'd like to see it. Again I put a cup of cold water in a micro wave heat it and a cup comes out. Oh, I also did two cups and two cups came out. The ocean must be magic. It swells and tips old guam.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

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^ Guam

Still upright

Still a DENIER!!

warm water must produce tsunamis eh? BTW, to date, no evidence of how high water gets as it warms. An inch, a foot, a yard, a mile. What is it? these stoopos keep posting it like it's a tsunami event. I'd like to see it. Again I put a cup of cold water in a micro wave heat it and a cup comes out. Oh, I also did two cups and two cups came out. The ocean must be magic. It swells and tips old guam.

If I had any Photoshop skill Id adjust Guam so it would be at least partially underwater

 

[IanC]

Well, Ian, perhaps a few college level courses in physics, geology, and oceanography would help you understand.

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/

Sea Level
LATEST MEASUREMENT: May 2015
65.67 mm
Sea level rise is caused primarily by two factors related to global warming: the added water from melting land ice and the expansion of sea water as it warms. The first chart tracks the change in sea level since 1993 as observed by satellites.

The second chart, derived from coastal tide gauge data, shows how much sea level changed from about 1870 to 2000.

SATELLITE DATA: 1993-PRESENT
Data source: Satellite sea level observations.
Credit: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
RATE OF CHANGE

3.21
mm per year

I used to think Old Rocks was just stupid because he couldnt glean any information from comments made on this message board. Now I think it may be some sort of mental health issue like Asperger's Syndrome or obsessive compulsive disorder. He is self-soothing by repeating the same things over and over again, and foreign ideas are dangerous things that need to be ignored. and indeed I believe that he is actually blind to anything that doesnt fit into his preconceived world view.

his response to my last comments is odd, even if it was aimed at the OP. his link contained graphs of tide gauge data (less than 2mm/yr, but stops at 2000), and satellite data from 1993- 2015. begs the question of why they truncated the tide gauge graph. to make it harder to do a comparison? if 3mm/yr satellite rise in open ocean is equivilent to 2mm/yr tide gauge rise at the coast, what does that mean for alarmism?

Old Rocks thinks I should take some more University courses to answer my query about how areas in close proximity have been going in opposite directions for over 20 years without the liquid water simply flowing into each other. hmmm..... I wonder if my physics courses would agree with the reasons not explained by NCAR? thermal expansion due to warming just isnt going to cut it. gravity or movement effects are the only things that hold water in place. does CO2 have some sort of magical effect on those too?