NOAA Eliminating Recreational Fishing. Obama Adm Will Accept No More Public Imput

[LibocalypseNow]

I suspect the Socialists have many many many more laws to pass in the future. It's just the nature of that beast. Before you know it,we'll have enough laws passed to finally achieve Police State status. We're certainly heading there fast. It's actually pretty sad.

 

[Ravi]

That is NOT happening at all. Commercial fishing may be exploiting numbers on the Ocean but interior hunting and fishing is sound and safe. Further the States are very aggressive at enforcing fishing permits even for commercial fishermen on the State water ways.

The Federal Government does not run these programs the States do.

This law only covers national waters...not state waters and rivers, etc. In other words ... the oceans surrounding the country.

Sorry ravi, your wrong. Since all navigable waters in the country were decalred "national waters", it means them all.

Don't take my word for it...read it for yourself.
http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/msa2005/docs/MSA_amended_msa _20070112_FINAL.pdf

 

[slackjawed]

I suspect the Socialists have many many many more laws to pass in the future. It's just the nature of that beast. Before you know it,we'll have enough laws passed to finally achieve Police State status. We're certainly heading there fast. It's actually pretty sad.

off topic but I will tell it anyway;
I have as friends several local law enforcement officers, town cops, sherriffs, state police, SBI.
One of my sherriff deputy buddies was talking just yesterday about forming a group called "responsible police opposed to a police state"
too funny huh?

 

[WillowTree]

That article was almost entirely devoid of any real information on what is going on.
Lots of rhetoric though.
And according to the pic there are no black fishermen.

Find an article that says something clear on this topic and I would appreciate it.

I get the feeling that recreational fishermen are being used for some other purpose by another group or two.

Find it yer own damn self. Slavery is over bud.

 

[kwc57]

I gotta call bullshit on this one. A quick Google search on "NOAA recreational Fishing" will bring you a plethora of information. Here is one example.

Office for Intergov. & Rec Fish with gems like these:

The mission of the Recreational Fishing Services Team is to coordinate and/or implement various agency initiatives related recreational fisheries.The Team will foster and promote sound marine fisheries conservation and restoration efforts to benefit and improve recreational fisheries. The teams primary responsibility will be to implement the requirements of Presidential Executive Order 12962 on Recreational Fisheries and the NOAA Recreational Fisheries Strategic Plan. Efforts the team will focus on include:

E) Developing and, in some cases implementing policy and legislative initiatives that benefit anglers.
G) Supporting and promoting opportunities for public participation in marine recreational fisheries activities.
H) Supporting the development and promotion of programs designed to increase participation in recreational fishery activities, with particular emphasis on programs designed to increase participation of under-represented recreational marine fisheries users such as minorities, women, and the handicapped.

YOUTH FISHING PROGRAM - Cooperative projects with the California Department of Fish and Game and various sport fishing organizations. The NOAA Fisheries Recreational Fishing Services Team provided 100 sets of fishing rods and reels to the Department in support of the program and funds other local youth fishing events.

 

[uscitizen]

That is NOT happening at all. Commercial fishing may be exploiting numbers on the Ocean but interior hunting and fishing is sound and safe. Further the States are very aggressive at enforcing fishing permits even for commercial fishermen on the State water ways.

The Federal Government does not run these programs the States do.

This law only covers national waters...not state waters and rivers, etc. In other words ... the oceans surrounding the country.

Sorry ravi, your wrong. Since all navigable waters in the country were decalred "national waters", it means them all.

Nope Navigable waters are not all waters.
I was in the Coast Guard Auxiliary for a while.

 

[slackjawed]

This law only covers national waters...not state waters and rivers, etc. In other words ... the oceans surrounding the country.

Sorry ravi, your wrong. Since all navigable waters in the country were decalred "national waters", it means them all.

Don't take my word for it...read it for yourself.
http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/msa2005/docs/MSA_amended_msa _20070112_FINAL.pdf

which was amended by this;
Implementation of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (Recovery Act) | US EPA
and by executive order now control of ALL waterways is under control of the federal govt, by way of the EPA.

 

[WillowTree]

That article was almost entirely devoid of any real information on what is going on.
Lots of rhetoric though.
And according to the pic there are no black fishermen.

Find an article that says something clear on this topic and I would appreciate it.

I get the feeling that recreational fishermen are being used for some other purpose by another group or two.

what else to you expect from Retired army retard? He litters the forum with these bullshit article

ESPN is now bullshit! got it.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

It's all part of the Hand Wringing Nanny State Socialist dream. If we keep heading down this road of passing a new law every day,we will inevitably reach Police State status at some point. It's the inevitable conclusion. So when will it end? How many more laws do we need? People really should start contemplating this more often...Before it's too late.

 

[slackjawed]

This law only covers national waters...not state waters and rivers, etc. In other words ... the oceans surrounding the country.

Sorry ravi, your wrong. Since all navigable waters in the country were decalred "national waters", it means them all.

Nope Navigable waters are not all waters.
I was in the Coast Guard Auxiliary for a while.

One would think that the common sense definition you refer to is correct. The courts have recently seen it differently though.
from:
Navigable Waters legal definition of Navigable Waters. Navigable Waters synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.


"The vast body of federal regulation concerning navigable waters frequently gives rise to litigation, and in many cases the courts have the difficult job of determining whether particular bodies of water are navigable (and thus subject to the law or regulation in question). Lakes and rivers are generally considered navigable waters, but smaller bodies of water may also be navigable. Attempting to address years of problematic litigation, the U.S. Supreme Court in 1979 created four tests for determining what constitutes navigable waters. Established in Kaiser Aetna v. United States, 444 U.S. 164, 100 S. Ct. 383, 62 L. Ed. 2d 332, the tests ask whether the body of water (1) is subject to the ebb and flow of the tide, (2) connects with a continuous interstate waterway, (3) has navigable capacity, and (4) is actually navigable. Using these tests, courts have held that bodies of water much smaller than lakes and rivers also constitute navigable waters. Even shallow streams that are traversable only by canoe have met the test."

here in AZ, even seasonal flows have been deemed "navigable" waters.

 

[uscitizen]

But the waterway must be continuously navigable. Ie connected by a lock or some method to make int navigable. ie a lake with only a boat ramp to get boats in there is not a navigable waterway.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Here's an interesting conundrum or riddle for anyone who still cares...How many Laws do you have to pass to become a Police State? Hmm?

 

[AvgGuyIA]

It's all part of the Hand Wringing Nanny State Socialist dream. If we keep heading down this road of passing a new law every day,we will inevitably reach Police State status at some point. It's the inevitable conclusion. So when will it end? How many more laws do we need? People really should start contemplating this more often...Before it's too late.

I bet that Obama will have more "executive orders" declared during his Presidency than any previous President, perhaps combined. If this Socialist/Fascist can't get it legislated, he will order it as the chief executive.

 

[slackjawed]

But the waterway must be continuously navigable. Ie connected by a lock or some method to make int navigable. ie a lake with only a boat ramp to get boats in there is not a navigable waterway.

Not any more. Used to be, not any more.
Like I said, now the courts have concluded that because the water from seasonal flows influences the water in the Colorado, even they are now 'navigable.
See the definition from the link I posted above.

The fact is that this is a control grab, nothing more.
Common sense just doesn't apply when the federal govt wants control.

 

[uscitizen]

Here's an interesting conundrum or riddle for anyone who still cares...How many Laws do you have to pass to become a Police State? Hmm?

As few as one?


It depends on the specifics of the laws and if they are enforced or not

imho any law that has not been enforced for lets say 20 years is automatically null and void.
.

 

[Dr Gregg]

That article was almost entirely devoid of any real information on what is going on.
Lots of rhetoric though.
And according to the pic there are no black fishermen.

Find an article that says something clear on this topic and I would appreciate it.

I get the feeling that recreational fishermen are being used for some other purpose by another group or two.

what else to you expect from Retired army retard? He litters the forum with these bullshit article

ESPN is now bullshit! got it.

the article is, as it doesn't have anything substantial in it, as been mentioned.

 

[uscitizen]

They will pry my fish from my cold dead and slimey fingers.

 

[Ravi]

Sorry ravi, your wrong. Since all navigable waters in the country were decalred "national waters", it means them all.

Don't take my word for it...read it for yourself.
http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/msa2005/docs/MSA_amended_msa _20070112_FINAL.pdf

which was amended by this;
Implementation of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (Recovery Act) | US EPA
and by executive order now control of ALL waterways is under control of the federal govt, by way of the EPA.

That's immaterial. NOAA stands for
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration


and what we are talking about in regards to the OP is limiting fishing in national fisheries, not STATE fisheries or LOCAL fisheries, but National (Oceanic) fisheries.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

With this bunch in Washington DC, expect that they'll use this power grab to regulate anyone who can piss a stream.

 

[uscitizen]

And one of the links posted in this thread had to do with clean water not fishing.