No Victory in Iraq says Petraeus

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    BBC NEWS | Middle East | No victory in Iraq says Petraeus

    "I don't think we could call it a victory, but... I guess we could leave by next year."
     
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    General Patreus knows what he's talking about here, unlike some hyper partisan hacks. Reducing violence is a tactical success, but there's no such thing as "victory" in iraq. No one has ever credibly defined what victory was.

    All we know is that we replaced a secular, anti-iranian sunni dictator, with a corrupt and sympathetic to iran Shia dominated government.

    Nobody has ever explained to me how that was a good investment for a trillion tax payer dollars and 40,000 dead and wounded americans.
     
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    "Victory" in Iraq will be declared after we've donated all these lives and dollars to an unknown definition by whichever clan has the most determination and the most weapons after the US claims "victory" and leaves the country....if it ever does. Petraeus likely knows that, but can't admit it.
    Sadam was ruling it the only way it can be ruled and King George was too stuoid to know it.
     
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    so it's declare victory and get out?

    gee, where have we heard that line...?
     
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    Beats me. Where?
     
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    What the hell is a "victory" in Afghanistan, anyway?

    What are the "metrics"?

    I thought we were in Afghanistan to drive out the Taliban who allowed AlQada to train there.

    We haven't done that yet?

    If we have, then mission accomplished. If we haven't, then why the hell not?

    Now if the "victory" is turning Afghanistan into a secular humanist democracy, all I have to say is that they just don't want to be like us.

    We ought to get over it. We really need to get over that conceit that everyone in the world needs to become just like us.

    If I was a Afghanistani Moslem on the outside looking into America, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be like us, either.

    Why is that so hard for some of us to get?

    We don't want to be like them, and we can all understand that, right?

    It's a big world, folks. Let's try get over our belief that it has to be homogenized, shall we?

    Humankind's strength is that not every society is the same.

    Why is that a strength?

    Because that means that when one society goes nuts (as societies often do) that perverted zietguiest doesn't make the other societies sick, too.

    And when a society's zietgiest becomes toxic (imagine NAZI Germany for example) then there are other societies which are there to stand against it.

    Let's grow up, and give each other a break, shall we?

    Diversity of cultures and societies is a good thing, not a bad thing.

    That is at least part of the reason, that I am somewhat sympathetic to those folks (like Joyce, for example) who are asking us why there can't be some place in the world that remains culturally and racially White Euro/American.

    I mean seriously, a reservation for that White Culture is no less sensible than preserving other threatened cultures, is it?

    My fellow liberals will get all up in arms if, for example, cultural chavinism destroys a primative "native" culture, but they can't see the value of preserving a culturally primative White one?

    Sup wid dat, anyway?

    That blindspot in my fellow liberals is one of the things that makes convatives call them racist, and in that case, I have to agree with the so-called conservatives.

    Who here wants to invade Pennsylvania and force the Amish to become just like us?

    Anyone? Anyone?

    Nobody right?

    But still we think it perfectly okay to try to force the Afghanistanis to reinvent their culture because we don't like it?
     
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    George Aiken, the Republican senator from Vermont, in a speech on the Senate floor in 1966, said the way out of US involvement in Vietnam was to declare victory and get out

    so i guess it's another 9 years....
     
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