No Thanks for Thanksgiving

[Missourian]

This thread explains a lot.

 

[Si modo]

This thread explains a lot.

How miserable its life must be being thankful for nothing.

I'd rather die than go through life so bitter and miserable.

 

[Katzndogz]

obama has been reelected, as a nation we have very little to be Thankful for.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

And yet, the most racist and vile rw's here will say they are not racist hate mongers.

How do you stand to look at yourselves in the mirror?

 

[Stephanie]

And yet, the most racist and vile rw's here will say they are not racist hate mongers.

How do you stand to look at yourselves in the mirror?

how do you?

 

[Lakhota]

Many typical racist responses. No surprise...

 

[Stephanie]

It figures the troll would post some crap like this on Thanksgiving and then whine because people can't come together..

that was a piece of garbage and posted by a real Pos

 

[April]

The troopers cut off the vulvas of Indian women, stretched them over their saddle horns, then decorated their hatbands with them; some used the skin of brave’s scrotums and the breasts of Indian women as tobacco pouches, then showed off these trophies, together with the noses and ears of some of the Indians they had massacred, at the Denver Opera House.

Much More: Native American Genocide

And you are saying that American indigenous peoples never did the same? [Notice my NOT using the word "Indian" - which some tribes actually prefer] Long before Europeans came to North America, various tribes ritually dismembered, gutted, and even ate parts of the warriors they conquered. They also enslaved children and women.

As did the white man for many many years with the Natives, and the Africans that were brought here against their will.

 

[Si modo]

Many typical racist responses. No surprise...

Such irony from a racist and an anti-semite such as yourself. Hypocrisy has always been a strong suit of yours, as well as your racism and anti-semitism.

Oh, I can't forget your whining. You excel in so many areas.

 

[Harry Dresden]

You are such a liar.

STOP. STOP.

Stop trying to be a first nations person.

you make me want to bazooka barf..

If you don't stop this....You know what. Game on. Do you want it? I am so sick of you. I will call out Metis

he is as real an Indian as Iron Eyes Cody was......

 

[Harry Dresden]

And yet, the most racist and vile rw's here will say they are not racist hate mongers.

How do you stand to look at yourselves in the mirror?

you and your "Indian" friend are two people who say if you are against Obama....it can only be because he is Black.....and don't tell me you haven't said this....because you have.....that puts you in the racist camp....so how do stand to look at your whiny little ass in the mirror?....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Many typical racist responses. No surprise...

you should talk you phony fuck.....

 

[Jimmy_Jam]

Many typical racist responses. No surprise...

Being demonized tends to bring out the worst in people. No surprise...

 

[Si modo]

And, in case anyone is wondering about the racism of the OP, just look up any threads about Cain and see for yourself the disgusting racist rhetoric from the Stormfronter OP.

 

[freedombecki]

Do you think the Indian Nations will secede?

It's too late. HOWEVER, there are others who may have a better chance of reclaiming their stolen birthright:

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The Hispanic Experience - Stolen Birthright

Hubris! American Indians owned the lands, not the Latinos. Their roots are in Spain, whose Conquistadores had a penchant for using native women to propogate the next generation after genocide of the males.

Indians populating the USA in 1400s before Columbus' voyage are as follows:

• Alabama - Coushatta cultural natives
• Anadarko - inhabited Nacogdoches and Rusk counties
• Apaches - nomadic natives who followed the buffalo and farmed maize, beans, pumpkins, and watermelons in summer.
• Arapaho - ranged from South Texas to the Dakotas, east to Kansas and west and beyond, the Rockies.
• Biloxi - migrated from Mississippi to Texas in 1760 to escape European invasion of their lands
• Caddo Caddo is the name given to about 25 affiliated groups of people who lived near the Red River in East Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Oklahoma. They lived in complex settled societies and were known for their cultivation of corn (maize) and their beautiful ceramics. As Europeans moved into their areas, the Caddos became leading traders, trafficking in furs, guns, and horses with Europeans and other Indians. By the early 1840s, the Caddos had moved to the Brazos River area to try to escape the relentless pressure of American expansion. They were forced onto a reservation in 1855. In 1859 they were forced to move again, this time to a reservation in Indian Territory (Oklahoma). Today, many Caddos continue to reside in Caddo County near Binger, Oklahoma
• Cherokee
  The Cherokees were one of the principal Indian nations of the southeastern United States. Wars, epidemics, and food shortages caused many Cherokees to migrate west to Missouri, Arkansas, and Texas in hopes of preserving their traditional way of life. Those who remained behind in the Southeast were eventually removed forcibly to Indian Territory (Oklahoma) in the incident known as the &#8220;Trail of Tears.&#8221;
  Cherokees settled in Texas near the Red River. Pressed further south by American settlement, in 1820 about sixty families under Chief Bowl (Duwali) settled in Rusk County near the Caddos. As Americans settled that area, distrust grew between them and the Cherokees. Hoping to gain a legal title to their land, the Cherokees invested a great deal of energy in cultivating a relationship with Mexico. Hoping to protect this relationship, they remained neutral between Texas and Mexico during the Texas Revolution.
  Sam Houston was an adopted member of the Cherokee tribe and a forceful advocate for the people. He negotiated a permanent reservation for the tribe in East Texas, but the treaty was never ratified by the Texas Congress. Under President Lamar, Texas fought a war with the Cherokees in 1839 which resulted in the defeat of the Indians. Most Cherokees were forced into Indian Territory.
• Cheyenne
  The Southern Cheyennes lived an agricultural lifestyle in the Black Hills area until the introduction of the horse, when they adopted a nomadic lifestyle following the buffalo. Along with their allies, the Arapahos, they dominated the plains between the Platte and Arkansas Rivers. Like the Arapahos, in 1840 they settled their long-running war with their traditional enemies, the Comanches, Kiowas, and Apaches. For about ten years, they lived in relative peace, concentrating on trading with other tribes, Americans, and New Mexicans. However, by 1850 the tribe was under severe pressure from cholera, the whiskey trade, the decline of the buffalo, and the loss of their camping and hunting grounds to American expansion. The tribe was split on how to deal with their setbacks, with some chiefs negotiating with the Americans for peace, and the famous Dog Soldiers waging relentless war. The U.S. Army moved to crush the Southern Cheyennes in several engagements, including the well-known incidents at Sand Creek (1864) and the Washita River (1868). Following the Washita massacre, the Cheyennes relocated to a reservation in Oklahoma. A number of Cheyennes took part in the Red River War in Texas in the 1870s.
• Chickasaw
  The Chickasaws lived in present-day Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, and Alabama. They lived in permanent settlements, and their way of life depended on both hunting and agriculture. They owned African-American slaves and sided with the Confederacy. After the war, Chickasaw territory became a crossroads for the cattle drives and they lost identity through intermarriage with whites.
• Coahuiltecan
  Coahuiltecan were simple hunter-gatherers whose population declined and merged with other tribes.
• Comanche
  The thirteen active bands of Comanches were unparalleled horsemen led a nomadic lifestyle following the buffalo. They controlled trade in produce, buffalo products, horses, and captives throughout their domain. In the 1700s, the Comanches made their presence known in Texas by warring with the Apaches and the Spanish. Eventually, the Comanches who didn't intermarry with whites moved to Indian country in Oklahoma.
• Delaware
  The Delawares originated in the Delaware River region but were driven from their ancestral home by disease and white settlement. Eventually, the main body of the tribe ended up in Missouri and Kansas. They were relocated to Indian Territory (Oklahoma) in 1868. These survivors became part of the Cherokee nation.
  A small group of Delawares migrated to Texas and settled around the Red and Sabine Rivers. Under the presidency of Sam Houston, the Delawares assisted ranger patrols on the frontier. During the administration of Mirabeau B. Lamar, they were caught up in the Cherokee War and were forced into Indian Territory. A few Delawares remained in Texas and worked as traders, scouts, and guides for several important expeditions. The Delawares used diplomacy to help bring the Comanches to a treaty council with Texas in 1844. Eventually, the Texas Delawares relocated to Oklahoma, where they merged with the Caddo nation.
• Hainai - the Friendly Indians
  
  The Hainais lived near the Neches and Angelina rivers. They were the leading group in the Hasinai confederacy, a group of eight tribes that lived in Arkansas and East Texas. The word Texas (Tejas) comes from the Hasinai greeting meaning "friend." Archeologists have found evidence that this group of people had a large settlement in the area as far back as 780-1260 A.D., with substantial farms, villages, and temples. When the French and Spanish explorers first encountered the Hasinais, they found a people who fished, grew maize, beans, and squash, and hunted small game, buffalo, and bear. Within a few decades, disease, alcoholism, and pressure from whites and other Indians had taken a terrible toll on their once-great culture. At the end of the Cherokee War, they migrated to the Fort Worth area, but in 1859 they were relocated to Indian Territory.
• Jumano
  Jumano is the name given to three distinct groups who ranged over northern Mexico, New Mexico, and Texas. Their primary base was in the Big Bend area of Texas. They were among the first Texas Indians to encounter Europeans when they were visited by Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca in 1535. During the Spanish years, the Jumanos were active in organizing trade fairs between the Spanish and other Indians. They sometimes worked as scouts and missionaries for the Spanish, but are also known to have rebelled in the early 1600s. In the 1660s, the Jumanos faced a rapid population decline due to famine and war with the Apaches. By 1700 they had lost all their territory and trade routes. Their culture eventually died out, with the survivors drifting to join other tribes, including the Apaches. Some scholars believe that a small group of Jumanos became the foundation of the Kiowas in Texas.
• Karankawa
  Karankawas were fierce nomads who lived off the sea. They migrated between the mainland and the barrier islands in the Gulf of Mexico, seldom remaining at a campsite more than a few weeks. The Karankawas were the first Indians in Texas to encounter Europeans. In 1528, the survivors of a Spanish shipwreck, including Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca, washed ashore and spent six years with the Indians. They were decimated by diseases and Jean Lafitte on Galveston Island. In 1824, Stephen F. Austin personally led an expedition with the goal of exterminating the Karankawas. Although a Spanish priest negotiated a peaceful settlement, the Karankawas had already entered a downward spiral in terms of population. By the 1840s, the remnants of these people were annihilated by Texican forces of Juan Nepomuceno Cortina.
• Kichai
  The Kichais lived along the Louisiana-Texas border between the Red and Trinity rivers. Disease and warfare decimated their population, the survivors of which moved to Indian territory (Oklahoma).
• Kiowa
  The Kiowas originated in the area of modern-day Yellowstone Park but migrated south after the Salt Creek Massacre, resulted in the U.S. Army forcing them to go to Fort Sill, Oklahoma reservation.
• Kickapoo The Kickapoos originated in the Great Lakes region, migrating to Texas and allying themselves with Cherokees. As Cherokee allies, they were caught up in the violence of President Lamar&#8217;s attempt to expel most Indians from Texas. Because they collaborated with Mexico, Colonel Ranald Mackenzie captured and sent survivors to Fort Gibson in Indian Territory. Others stayed in Mexico.
• Pakana Muskogee
  The Pakana Muskogees migrated in 1834 from Alabama and Louisiana to present-day Onolaska in Polk County. Many survivors of subsequent disruption migrated to a reservation in Oklahoma.
• Potawatomi
  The Potawatomis originated in the Great Lakes area near present-day Green Bay, Wisconsin. In the 1830s and 1840s they fled the advance of white settlement. Most of the tribe moved to Kansas and Oklahoma, but one group allied itself with the Kickapoos and settled at the headwaters of the Sabine and Trinity rivers in 1852.
• Shawnee
  The Shawnees migrated to Texas from Ohio and Cumberland valleys westward to try to escape white expansion settling on the Texas side of the Red River. In February 1836, Sam Houston signed a treaty with the Shawnees, along with a number of other Indian tribes, which designated land for their use. The new country, Texas, bought them out and they moved to the reservation in Oklahoma.
• Tawakoni
  The Tawakonis were a Wichita group who ranged between present-day Waco and Palestine. In 1859, they moved to the Wichita reservation in Indian Territory (Oklahoma).
• Tigua
  The Tiguas were displaced by the Spanish King from New Mexico to El Paso, Texas, and after losing their land to unscrupulous speculators, now occupy a 26-acre area which contains housing and bingo gambling.
• Tonkawa
  Tonkawas resisted Spanish religions and destroyed the Santa Cruz de San Sabá Mission. After a leader was killed by Latinos, Tonkawas formed an alliance with Stephen F. Austin and the Americans and helped them in war. Unfortunately, they eventually came into misunderstandings and disputes with white settlers and found final refuge on a reservation in Oklahoma.
• Waco
  The Wacos were Wichita relatives who lived from Waco to New Braunfels. Winter months were spent following buffalo, summer growing beans, squash, corn, melons, and watermelons.
• Wichita
  
  The Wichitas occupied the Red River in Texas near Nocona and engaged in trade between Comanches and whites in Louisiana.

All border states had similar tribes, and Mexico had minimal impact on native American Indians who inhabited harsh lands no one else would live on.

That's why the "retake America" is just bullshit perpetuated by illegals to earn themselves something they never, never had, because native American Indians owned the lands they are claiming, which is total hubris to the nth power. Indian Nations of Texas

Edit: Added link to more detailed information.

 

[FrasersDaddy]

Every year on Thanksgiving I, a true Native American (Rosebud Sioux for those interested) give thanks to the great spirit for the fact that my ancestors were strong enough to survive the European invasion and were smart enough to 'go along' with the forced assimilation to the point that insured their survival. At the same time that I am giving thanks for the strength of my people who did survive the Native American holocaust, I feel immense sorrow for the majority who did not survive.
It sickens me now to hear the racist, greedy and ignorant people who cannot stand to face the true facts of how exactly this country was "founded" say they are trying to 'take back their country and restore it to it's former glory.
Only those who are totally and blindly unaware of true American history can take any satisfaction in their celebration of this day.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

By Robert Jensen

Instead, we should atone for the genocide that was incited -- and condoned -- by the very men we idolize as our 'heroic' founding fathers.

One indication of moral progress in the United States would be the replacement of Thanksgiving Day and its self-indulgent family feasting with a National Day of Atonement accompanied by a self-reflective collective fasting.

In fact, indigenous people have offered such a model; since 1970 they have marked the fourth Thursday of November as a Day of Mourning in a spiritual/political ceremony on Coles Hill overlooking Plymouth Rock, Massachusetts, one of the early sites of the European invasion of the Americas.

Not only is the thought of such a change in this white-supremacist holiday impossible to imagine, but the very mention of the idea sends most Americans into apoplectic fits -- which speaks volumes about our historical hypocrisy and its relation to the contemporary politics of empire in the United States.

That the world's great powers achieved "greatness" through criminal brutality on a grand scale is not news, of course. That those same societies are reluctant to highlight this history of barbarism also is predictable.

But in the United States, this reluctance to acknowledge our original sin -- the genocide of indigenous people -- is of special importance today. It's now routine -- even among conservative commentators -- to describe the United States as an empire, so long as everyone understands we are an inherently benevolent one. Because all our history contradicts that claim, history must be twisted and tortured to serve the purposes of the powerful.

One vehicle for taming history is various patriotic holidays, with Thanksgiving at the heart of U.S. myth-building. From an early age, we Americans hear a story about the hearty Pilgrims, whose search for freedom took them from England to Massachusetts. There, aided by the friendly Wampanoag Indians, they survived in a new and harsh environment, leading to a harvest feast in 1621 following the Pilgrims first winter.

Some aspects of the conventional story are true enough. But it's also true that by 1637 Massachusetts Gov. John Winthrop was proclaiming a thanksgiving for the successful massacre of hundreds of Pequot Indian men, women and children, part of the long and bloody process of opening up additional land to the English invaders. The pattern would repeat itself across the continent until between 95 and 99 percent of American Indians had been exterminated and the rest were left to assimilate into white society or die off on reservations, out of the view of polite society.

Simply put: Thanksgiving is the day when the dominant white culture (and, sadly, most of the rest of the non-white but non-indigenous population) celebrates the beginning of a genocide that was, in fact, blessed by the men we hold up as our heroic founding fathers.

More: No Thanks for Thanksgiving | Alternet

Thanks for posting this. Yes, this is a part of our history that has been conveniently hidden with only occasional glimpses of truth. You know, when us white folks want to show some guilt. I doubt there are many history books that details some of this.

Nonsense, everybody knows the injuns lost................................

 

[whitehall]

Do lefties ever have a good day?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Do you think the Indian Nations will secede?

It's too late. HOWEVER, there are others who may have a better chance of reclaiming their stolen birthright:

The Hispanic Experience - Stolen Birthright

Your map is not very accurate.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Many typical racist responses. No surprise...

Mexicans nor Native Americans are a race you idiot!