No taxes?

That's generally what happens in a free market.


Wouldn't it be pretty easy to prove that we aren't in a free market, if actually shown that we don't by getting rid of these hidden costs that nobody really thinks about and the price doesn't change with the removal of them?

We don't live in a "free market".

A "free market" has never existed, in fact.

It's as foolishly utopian to call for a "free market" as it is to call for "socialism".
*shrugs* Then I am obviously a fool for wanting as free of a market as we can have.

We all want utopias. Doesn't mean that they're going to happen, though.
 
We don't live in a "free market".

A "free market" has never existed, in fact.

It's as foolishly utopian to call for a "free market" as it is to call for "socialism".
*shrugs* Then I am obviously a fool for wanting as free of a market as we can have.

We all want utopias. Doesn't mean that they're going to happen, though.
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What do you think about corporate tax as we have been discussing it?
 
*shrugs* Then I am obviously a fool for wanting as free of a market as we can have.

We all want utopias. Doesn't mean that they're going to happen, though.
*blink*blink*

What do you think about corporate tax as we have been discussing it?

Do I think that prices in general will go down if the corporate tax rate is lowered? Of course not. Companies won't lower their prices, they'll just increase their profit.
 
We all want utopias. Doesn't mean that they're going to happen, though.
*blink*blink*

What do you think about corporate tax as we have been discussing it?

Do I think that prices in general will go down if the corporate tax rate is lowered? Of course not. Companies won't lower their prices, they'll just increase their profit.
So you don't believe that capitalism is functioning well in America?

Or more to the point... Do you believe what they teach in in school about economics is just... A bunch of bullshit. Supply, demand, competition...
 
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What do you think about corporate tax as we have been discussing it?

Do I think that prices in general will go down if the corporate tax rate is lowered? Of course not. Companies won't lower their prices, they'll just increase their profit.
So you don't believe that capitalism is functioning well in America?

Or more to the point... Do you believe what they teach in in school about economics is just... A bunch of bullshit. Supply, demand, competition...

I think what they teach in Economics would be true in a vacuum - but not the world we live in. The world we live in is much more complicated than "supply and demand".
 
Do I think that prices in general will go down if the corporate tax rate is lowered? Of course not. Companies won't lower their prices, they'll just increase their profit.
So you don't believe that capitalism is functioning well in America?

Or more to the point... Do you believe what they teach in in school about economics is just... A bunch of bullshit. Supply, demand, competition...

I think what they teach in Economics would be true in a vacuum - but not the world we live in. The world we live in is much more complicated than "supply and demand".
You forgot competition.

It seems to me that you and Amy don't have any faith in the market to dictate itself... And government should do it. I find that mildly surprising, and interesting at the same time. I'm currently struggling to find the questions to find out why you feel that way if it's the case.
 
So you don't believe that capitalism is functioning well in America?

Or more to the point... Do you believe what they teach in in school about economics is just... A bunch of bullshit. Supply, demand, competition...

I think what they teach in Economics would be true in a vacuum - but not the world we live in. The world we live in is much more complicated than "supply and demand".
You forgot competition.

It seems to me that you and Amy don't have any faith in the market to dictate itself... And government should do it. I find that mildly surprising, and interesting at the same time. I'm currently struggling to find the questions to find out why you feel that way if it's the case.

You do know that a majority of economists agree with me, right?

Aside from the Austrian school, that is.
 
So you don't believe that capitalism is functioning well in America?

Or more to the point... Do you believe what they teach in in school about economics is just... A bunch of bullshit. Supply, demand, competition...

I think what they teach in Economics would be true in a vacuum - but not the world we live in. The world we live in is much more complicated than "supply and demand".
You forgot competition.

It seems to me that you and Amy don't have any faith in the market to dictate itself... And government should do it. I find that mildly surprising, and interesting at the same time. I'm currently struggling to find the questions to find out why you feel that way if it's the case.

I dont think government should do it, I simply don't feel a drop in cost will equal a drop in price. In a pure market, perhaps that's the case, however it's jus not true here.

I worked in retail a long time, specifically in ordering/maintaining stock so im well aware of what things cost vs what consumers are paying for them, and IMO, companies would pocket or invest any extra profit, not pass that savings onto the consumer.
 
You are failing, Libtards.

But please do bring the loser entitlement mentality of the typical gubmint dependent Obama voter to the public discourse.

The media sure as hell won't do it.

Congrats, you win the daily triple by getting 3 mindless conservative talking points into one pointless post--'libtard', 'entitlement mentality', and 'media'.... Tell him what he wins, Bob...
 
I think what they teach in Economics would be true in a vacuum - but not the world we live in. The world we live in is much more complicated than "supply and demand".
You forgot competition.

It seems to me that you and Amy don't have any faith in the market to dictate itself... And government should do it. I find that mildly surprising, and interesting at the same time. I'm currently struggling to find the questions to find out why you feel that way if it's the case.

You do know that a majority of economists agree with me, right?
No. I don't know that. Doesn't mean I'm right, but it doesn't mean you are either. But that doesn't explain why you feel that way.

Most promote capitalism as an ideal economic system given you have competition between companies to get your money for their goods/services. It's the competition that drives the prices lower, not the goodwill of the company. Supply, demand, competition.

Aside from the Austrian school, that is.
I admit I'm a fan of the Austrian.
 
I think what they teach in Economics would be true in a vacuum - but not the world we live in. The world we live in is much more complicated than "supply and demand".
You forgot competition.

It seems to me that you and Amy don't have any faith in the market to dictate itself... And government should do it. I find that mildly surprising, and interesting at the same time. I'm currently struggling to find the questions to find out why you feel that way if it's the case.

I dont think government should do it, I simply don't feel a drop in cost will equal a drop in price. In a pure market, perhaps that's the case, however it's jus not true here.

I worked in retail a long time, specifically in ordering/maintaining stock so im well aware of what things cost vs what consumers are paying for them, and IMO, companies would pocket or invest any extra profit, not pass that savings onto the consumer.
Even if the competition decides to undercut them? Most business models are looking for a certain percentage of profit for a given good/service. If they can get more money by undercutting the competition while keeping a good profit margin... It only makes sense to do.
 
I think what they teach in Economics would be true in a vacuum - but not the world we live in. The world we live in is much more complicated than "supply and demand".
You forgot competition.

It seems to me that you and Amy don't have any faith in the market to dictate itself... And government should do it. I find that mildly surprising, and interesting at the same time. I'm currently struggling to find the questions to find out why you feel that way if it's the case.

I dont think government should do it, I simply don't feel a drop in cost will equal a drop in price. In a pure market, perhaps that's the case, however it's jus not true here.

I worked in retail a long time, specifically in ordering/maintaining stock so im well aware of what things cost vs what consumers are paying for them, and IMO, companies would pocket or invest any extra profit, not pass that savings onto the consumer.

We don't want to see it or admit it but we are a caste system. It becomes more so every day. The Koch's are quietly setting us against each other and buying the United States ... paying to end unions ... next comes the push to end minimum wage and then it all topples until the US is India, who, btw, is currently way ahead of the US in several really important areas.

They are "banking" on US workers NOT seeing it coming, not believing it could happen here but it can.

The ultimate R goal is that the US become a third world country and we're well on our way there now.

Sure, I love it when Mittens opens his pie hole and lets the flies out

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if we don't pay attention, what good does it do us?
 
You forgot competition.

It seems to me that you and Amy don't have any faith in the market to dictate itself... And government should do it. I find that mildly surprising, and interesting at the same time. I'm currently struggling to find the questions to find out why you feel that way if it's the case.

I dont think government should do it, I simply don't feel a drop in cost will equal a drop in price. In a pure market, perhaps that's the case, however it's jus not true here.

I worked in retail a long time, specifically in ordering/maintaining stock so im well aware of what things cost vs what consumers are paying for them, and IMO, companies would pocket or invest any extra profit, not pass that savings onto the consumer.
Even if the competition decides to undercut them? Most business models are looking for a certain percentage of profit for a given good/service. If they can get more money by undercutting the competition while keeping a good profit margin... It only makes sense to do.

The competitor would have to be willing to pass that 30% savings directly onto the consumers instead of expanding, advertising, hiring more workers, raises for employees or profits for shareholders.
 
I dont think government should do it, I simply don't feel a drop in cost will equal a drop in price. In a pure market, perhaps that's the case, however it's jus not true here.

I worked in retail a long time, specifically in ordering/maintaining stock so im well aware of what things cost vs what consumers are paying for them, and IMO, companies would pocket or invest any extra profit, not pass that savings onto the consumer.
Even if the competition decides to undercut them? Most business models are looking for a certain percentage of profit for a given good/service. If they can get more money by undercutting the competition while keeping a good profit margin... It only makes sense to do.

The competitor would have to be willing to pass that 30% savings directly onto the consumers instead of expanding, advertising, hiring more workers, raises for employees or profits for shareholders.
All of that is already accounted for in the business model for most businesses.

I mean you have two products that are essentially the same... Do I buy the 30 dollar one, or the 20 dollar one?

I mean I absolutely agree that it's not a one to one ratio... They won't pass all of it to the customer... But again... that's why I low balled the percentage. You do realize most companies that we buy from on a regular bases is having a corporate tax closer to 40% than 30% right?
 
Even if the competition decides to undercut them? Most business models are looking for a certain percentage of profit for a given good/service. If they can get more money by undercutting the competition while keeping a good profit margin... It only makes sense to do.

The competitor would have to be willing to pass that 30% savings directly onto the consumers instead of expanding, advertising, hiring more workers, raises for employees or profits for shareholders.
All of that is already accounted for in the business model for most businesses.

I mean you have two products that are essentially the same... Do I buy the 30 dollar one, or the 20 dollar one?

I mean I absolutely agree that it's not a one to one ratio... They won't pass all of it to the customer... But again... that's why I low balled the percentage. You do realize most companies that we buy from on a regular bases is having a corporate tax closer to 40% than 30% right?

That's debatable, as I've seen countless studies that show how many corporations pay less then half of what our corporate tax is.

However, higher profit, drives the price of stock higher and benifits the shareholders. The objective of any corporation is to raise profit. What benifits the company more, pocketing that money as profit or spending it in hopes of gaining x% of new sales?
 
The competitor would have to be willing to pass that 30% savings directly onto the consumers instead of expanding, advertising, hiring more workers, raises for employees or profits for shareholders.
All of that is already accounted for in the business model for most businesses.

I mean you have two products that are essentially the same... Do I buy the 30 dollar one, or the 20 dollar one?

I mean I absolutely agree that it's not a one to one ratio... They won't pass all of it to the customer... But again... that's why I low balled the percentage. You do realize most companies that we buy from on a regular bases is having a corporate tax closer to 40% than 30% right?

That's debatable, as I've seen countless studies that show how many corporations pay less then half of what our corporate tax is.
I haven't seen those.

However, higher profit, drives the price of stock higher and benifits the shareholders. The objective of any corporation is to raise profit. What benifits the company more, pocketing that money as profit or spending it in hopes of gaining x% of new sales?
That's completely dependent on factors that have nothing to do with corporate tax.
 

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