No Tax After 1 Year

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Bear12feet, Aug 27, 2011.


Stop Paying Taxes

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  1. Bear12feet

    Bear12feet Member

    Aug 14, 2011
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    In 2007, when the economy was still doing fine, The Federal Govt took in $2,568 TRILLION in revenue and we spent $2,629 Trillion for a deficit of $161 Trillion.

    Now a mere 4 years later, we are spending $3.7 TRILLION while taking in only $2.1 trillion. For a deficit of $1.6 Trillion. OR 10 times the deficit of FOUR YEARS AGO. Who knew that Bush would be "the good old days?" Revenue is down because the economy is down. spending is up because we have a Socialist, Giant Government believing president in the White House and a Democratic Congress that loves to spend other peoples money. Now the face of Congress is changing. If the government would get out of the way of business and SHOW business that the government wants them to do well. Mainly by reducing regulations on business and taxes on business since the taxes in the USA between Federal and States are the highest of any nation in the world. Then business could and would begin to expand. And TAXES on the rich and everyone else were exactly the same in 2007 as they were in 2010. Now since obama and the Democrats extended and increased to tax cuts, taxes are lower NOW than they were in Bush's time. Individual taxes, not business taxes.

    So if we could get spending back to where it was in 2007 and get revenue just $200 billion above where it was in 2007, we would HAVE a balanced budget.

    USA needs to cut $16 Trillion over 10 years to balance the budget. Is this true?

    That comes to $1.6 Trillion every year. How many jobs will be lost in USA?

    $4 trillion over 10 years is a joke. The best way to save jobs is to reduced the salaries of high paid employees by 50%.

    Salaries of government people such as federal reserve and bankers should be reduced by 90%.

    USA cannot spend more money unless debts have been repaid or replaced by real money.

    This means every year there will be $1.6 Trillion less spending from USA. Reduce pay, reduce benefits, and reduce retirement plans and job loss means less income for USA people. Less income means less sales and less profits for private and public sector companies.

    So there will be job-loss in private sectors and public sectors.

    How will companies pay taxes when there is less profits or no profits?

    How will people pay taxes when there is reduction is salaries/wages and job-loss?

    Basically Tax collection for USA government will fall to its lowest level. Thanks to who?

    Obama donated multi-Trillion dollars bailouts without the confirmed permission of Tax-payers.

    Paying Taxes in similar to giving a Gun to a monkey. The monkey will fire the gun anywhere.

    The more tax revenue earned by the government, the more wasteful expenditure or expenses will be done by the government such as presidential plane air force one and other fleet of planes, 412 limousines for USA government, $200 million India vacation for Obama (not sure), excess security for world leaders who cannot think properly and many other wasteful expenses.

    So minimum tax revenue should be received by the government so that world people have many times more money to spend for their family.

    Stop Paying Taxes.


    Last edited: Aug 27, 2011
  2. Bear12feet

    Bear12feet Member

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    If "consumption tax only world society" is not implemented immediately then the world society will suffer in hell forever. Make your own decision.

    I am saying that there should be No personal tax and only consumption tax.

    Money supply increases when the product and services final selling price increases.

    What was money supply when Oil or petrol was $1 per gallon?

    What is money supply when Oil or petrol is $4 per gallon?

    Price rise = Inflation. Think about it.

    In year 2007, nobody knew what is $1 Trillion. Today everybody knows $1 Trillion = $1000 Billion, thanks to Obama's $9 Trillion bailouts (whatever).

    World richest man Carlos Slim has $75 Billion only. Think about it.

    Everyday we pay sales tax, value added tax (VAT) when we buy food and products. We pay tax on factory sales, custom duty, toll tax which are added to final selling price. Indirectly we pay many taxes.

    The more a person consumes the more tax the person pays indirectly. Why should we pay tax on personal income (personal tax)?

    Consumption tax = Sales tax + value added tax (VAT) + factory sales tax + custom duty + toll tax

    Income and private property are good things and are essential to a free society, therefore it makes no sense what so ever to tax those two items. A sales tax and user tax is the way to go. It's fair because you only pay a tax if you choice to buy an item or freely spend your own money.

    No taxes means no army. Somebody will build a strong army and attack the country.

    Tax evasion or tax cheating will be eliminated completely when there is consumption tax only since everybody will pay tax immediately when they buy goods and services. I think Charted accountants (CA) are responsible for majority of tax evasion because they give suggestions to minimize and hide taxes and CA certifies the financial statements and accounts. No need for certifying your income from Charted accountants (CA) when there is consumption tax only.

    Criminals with big spending habits would pay consumption tax even. Consumption tax is the best. There would be way less tax evasion and ways to evade taxes and way more taxpayers.

    Let us assume consumption tax is 10%.

    A person who earn $80,000 per year. If this person spends $50,000 per year, this person will pay $5000 as consumption tax.

    A super-rich person spends $500 million per year, this person will pay $50 million consumption tax.

    When there is consumption tax only, there will be no tax refunds and tax breaks because you pay tax when you buy goods and services.

    Tax on profit from silver, gold and other investments, property tax gets included in consumption tax. No need for any other tax.

    If a billionaire earns $5 Billion in a year, why should he pay 30% tax or $1.5 billion tax for that year. Understandably he will not spend $1.5 Billion in a year. If he is spending $500 million in a year he should pay consumption tax for $500 million.

    Every person, every business, every entity pays taxes at exactly the same rate. A consumption tax with no exemptions, no exception. Plus the people that consume more (the corporations) are kept in check. This would also reduce hatred over taxes. The envy factor is reduced. and most importantly EVERYONE poor, middle, and rich pay taxes into the system.

    I am saying why should we (rich and poor) pay tax twice. Indirect tax and direct tax.

    Indirect tax = Sales tax + value added tax (VAT) + factory sales tax + custom duty + toll tax

    Direct tax = Personal income tax.

    Just pay consumption tax as per your consumption.

    Value added tax or VAT should be eliminated completely. There is no need for VAT when we pay Sales tax.

    This will reduced excess and wasteful consumption since the more a person consumes the more consumption tax the person will pay.

    People who are paid less or meager salaries they should be paid 3 times more salaries and people who are paid high salaries their salaries should be reduced by 50% because these high paid professionals such as CEO, managers, MBA, CA and others are responsible (not everybody) for present never ending financial crisis. So consumption tax will benefit everybody.

    If world leaders would have thought of "consumption tax only" 100 years back, then today world resources would not have been in serious trouble and world money would not have been exhausted/finished due to tax evasion and cheating (one of the main reasons).

    If a billionaire earns $1 billion then he is risking $10 billion as investment. If his decisions go wrong he will be bankrupt. A "job person" does not invest any money so his investment risk is 0.

    Majority of Tax evasion is from rich people. Tax evasion or tax cheating will be eliminated completely when there is consumption tax only since everybody will pay tax immediately when they buy goods and services.

    You will have 25% more money to spend since you will not pay personal tax. Eliminate government greed once and for all.

    Think about you and your family who will have 25% to 40% more money to spend. Forget the world. If your company is having less sales you will be fired from your job immediately. Nobody will think of your family.

    IRS, lawmakers,lawyers,army of accountants can always start farming. They are rich from 100 years of their professional income. Also you will not have to save thousands of bills every year to show to the accountants and IRS when there is "consumption tax only". You will not be slaves to anybody.

    No other tax. Only consumption tax. If you do not spend then no tax for you. You will be taxed only when you spend.

    People who earn $5000 per month, pay them $12,000 per month. Reduce the salaries of high paid professionals such as CEO, managers, world leaders, politicions, MBA, CA and others by 50% who are responsible for present never ending financial crisis.

    Some corporations make so much money that advertising is only a Tax Write Off. Some of these products, at the SALE price level, have a GP of 100% up to 400%. This, again, is the SALE price GP. Not the RETAIL price GP which is more. Think of it this way, they buy an item for $25.00 with a retail of $200.00 and then put a sale price of $100.00. Wow, that's 50% OFF...what a bargain!

    I think 25% of world companies add corporation tax to the final selling price of the products and services.

    The Corporation tax or tax paid by companies for their profits is ultimately paid by the consumers/buyers because companies add this tax to the selling price of the product and services. This increases the product price which increases the inflation.

    So there should be consumption tax only. No corporation tax and no personal income tax.

    Salaries of government people such as federal reserve and bankers should be reduced by 75%. President and politicians should work for $0 salary.

    Only a person who is worth $10 Billion should be the President. He should pay for his president expenses. The same applies to other politicians. When you are serving the country why do you need salary. President job and politician job should be charity job.

    Salaries of Secret Service, Army, Other FBI should be increased by 100%.

    Salaries of police and financial FBI must be reduced by 50% because they blindly obey idiot politcians.

    The Fed levies the Invisible Tax - Inflation. Inflation is a regressive tax, since it adversely affect the middle-class and poor the most.

    Since the estimate is that the dollar has lost 95+% of it's value since the creation of the Federal Reserve, it seems the saying "America was built on the backs of the middle-class" is particularly true.

    Inflation is an invisible tax that is used to spend more than gov't takes in. Inflation of fiat money is easy when there are no hard assets backing the money.

    Inflation robs people of Purchasing Power (same as a tax). Inflation transfers productivity and assets of workers to those who sit in chairs and create the fiat money (or loan it out).


    Taxing with Inflation

    Most countries have a progressive income tax--that is, as income goes up, so does the tax rate. Thus if income doubles, taxes will more than double. With this system, inflation will push people into higher tax brackets. Suppose a person starts at an income of $10,000 and a tax rate of 10% or taxes of $1000. If prices and wages all rise by 20%, he will have an income of $12,000. If his tax bill were $1200, he would pay the same real purchasing power to the government. But if the tax rate at $12,000 is 11%, he will pay $1320 to the government. This means that the government can raise taxes by causing inflation, without ever formally acting to raise tax rates.

    Inflation Tax

    Inflation has been called "the hidden tax" and that is exactly what it is. When the Government "prints" extra money what do you think it does with it? It spends it of course!
    Further deflation propaganda fraud is perpetuated by academics and the mainstream press by pushing the low core inflation argument.
    Governments around the world are using inflation to reduce debt.This hidden tax is on pensions, through V A T and other stealth taxes.Government will no longer use RPI ,CPI will will be used for increase in state pensions.Why are there pension crisis?People live longer and governments create inflation to reduce debt, and fiddle inflation figures.If governments told you the true inflation rates, pay rises and pension rises would make it difficult for governments to deal with.The method of reporting inflation is changed regularly to show low inflation to the masses.

    Goodbye M3- What is the Government hiding?

    There are two obvious answers to the questions, esp regarding inflation. First our government is multi tiered and each tier independently funded. So they all need an independent revenue stream.

    But another answer is that a tax is best that is most stealth. If you don't realize that you are being taxed you won't resent it. Which is why you only pay 1/2 of your FICA tax, your employer pays the other half.

    In reality the employee is paying all of it, but by stealth is fooled into believing that he only pays half of it. All taxation, like lottery, is a tax on the mathematically impaired. If you are smart enough to figure it all out you can avoid paying most taxes, legally.
    If not, well they have a tax trap waiting for you at every street corner.

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