No, Really....It's Not Guns:

[PoliticalChic]

4. But….we’re still focusing the discussion on guns…Guns, and dead people....violent death. What if no guns were allowed, a la Japan? Fewer dead people…of course?

a. United States…. Violent Deaths per 100,000: Homicides, 5.70; Firearm Homicides, 3.72; Suicides, 12.06; Households with Guns, 39.0….Violent Death Rate: 18.57

b. Japan…..Again, Violent Deaths per 100,000: Homicides, 0.62; Firearm Homicides, 0.02; Suicides, 16.72; Households with Guns, 0.04….Violent Death Rate: 17.34
GunCite-Gun Control-International Homicide and Suicide Rates

Conclusion?
Care to make the argument about guns?

I'm sure you thought that this was being kind of clever, but the only way you get Japan to as much "violence" as the US is by throwing in the Suicides.

Forgetting in Japan, suicide is considered more socially acceptable as part of their culture through history. While Western societies teach suicide is a sin, Japanese culture considered it honorable.

Take out the sucides, and you have very little homicide in Japan, and very little of it committed with guns.

And this is not because they aren't exposed to the same violent influences we are. One can only watch some Anime and Manga that glorifies violence in a way American mediums wouldn't dream of.

Violent deaths.
That was my point.
Please don't redefine the issue for me.


Now....if you would like to argue that those who died by suicide are more copacetic with the result than those who died in other ways....go right ahead.



“In mass shootings involving guns and mind-altering medications, politicians immediately seek to blame guns but never the medication. Nearly every mass shooting that has taken place in America over the last two decades has a link to psychiatric medication, and it appears today's tragic event is headed in the same direction.

According to ABC News, Adam Lanza, the alleged shooter, has been labeled as having “mental illness” and a “personality disorder.” These are precisely the words typically heard in a person who is being “treated” with mind-altering psychiatric drugs…. The Columbine High School shooters were, of course, on psychiatric drugs… One of the most common side effects of psychiatric drugs is violent outbursts and thoughts of suicide…. We should be outlawing psychiatric medications, not an inanimate piece of metal.”
Gun control? We need medication control! Newton elementary school shooter Adam Lanza likely on meds; labeled as having 'personality disorder'



The link again?
Nearly every mass shooting that has taken place in America over the last two decades has a link to psychiatric medication,...
One of the most common side effects of psychiatric drugs is violent outbursts and thoughts of suicide


Not guns.....the insistence on psychotropic drugs by quacks who don't know what the result will be.

 

[NoNukes]

I'm so glad the Irish have never had quibbles with killing other citizens.

That was almost a century ago.

Yeah...but so was your last original thought......

I understand how difficult it is for you to lose.

 

[PoliticalChic]

That was almost a century ago.

Yeah...but so was your last original thought......

I understand how difficult it is for you to lose.

It's so rare an occurrence....I really have no experience with such an event....


I once thought I made a mistake, but I was wrong.


Please feel free to relate a few dozen of your such experiences....

 

[PoliticalChic]

Recently Newsweek asked “Where do the great minds come from? And why are there no Einsteins, Freuds or Picassos today?” There is a tragic possibility: they are being psychiatrically diagnosed and drugged.

Any biography of Einstein, Freud, or Picasso will demonstrate enough childhood “pathology” to warrant diagnosis and drugging with the inevitable surpression of his unique contribution to life.
(from The War Against Children by Peter R. Breggin, M.D. and Ginger Ross Breggin

 

[Katzndogz]

Japan doesn't have a right to rage. They people wouldn't accept it. The Japanese wouldn't set fire to a restaurant because the meal bill was delayed. They don't go around stealing from their neighbors and don't teach their children to steal either.

There is no dominant criminal culture in Japan. There is in the US.

 

[JoeB131]

4. But….we’re still focusing the discussion on guns…Guns, and dead people....violent death. What if no guns were allowed, a la Japan? Fewer dead people…of course?

a. United States…. Violent Deaths per 100,000: Homicides, 5.70; Firearm Homicides, 3.72; Suicides, 12.06; Households with Guns, 39.0….Violent Death Rate: 18.57

b. Japan…..Again, Violent Deaths per 100,000: Homicides, 0.62; Firearm Homicides, 0.02; Suicides, 16.72; Households with Guns, 0.04….Violent Death Rate: 17.34
GunCite-Gun Control-International Homicide and Suicide Rates

Conclusion?
Care to make the argument about guns?

I'm sure you thought that this was being kind of clever, but the only way you get Japan to as much "violence" as the US is by throwing in the Suicides.

Forgetting in Japan, suicide is considered more socially acceptable as part of their culture through history. While Western societies teach suicide is a sin, Japanese culture considered it honorable.

Take out the sucides, and you have very little homicide in Japan, and very little of it committed with guns.

And this is not because they aren't exposed to the same violent influences we are. One can only watch some Anime and Manga that glorifies violence in a way American mediums wouldn't dream of.

Violent deaths.
That was my point.
Please don't redefine the issue for me.


Now....if you would like to argue that those who died by suicide are more copacetic with the result than those who died in other ways....go right ahead.


Not guns.....the insistence on psychotropic drugs by quacks who don't know what the result will be.

Nice attempt at changing the subject. Do you think they don't have a lot of youth on psychotropic drugs in the Land of the Rising Sun?

what they don't have is access to guns.

 

[JoeB131]

Japan doesn't have a right to rage. They people wouldn't accept it. The Japanese wouldn't set fire to a restaurant because the meal bill was delayed. They don't go around stealing from their neighbors and don't teach their children to steal either.

There is no dominant criminal culture in Japan. There is in the US.

Why don't you come out and say it, they don't have them colored people like we do.

Come on, you'll feel better if you say it, you racist sack of crap.

This is horseshit. The Japanese and the Germans have the same problems we have when you have a lot of people shoved together in crowded circumstances. What they don't have are a lot of people with guns taking each other out.

 

[squeeze berry]

Japan doesn't have a right to rage. They people wouldn't accept it. The Japanese wouldn't set fire to a restaurant because the meal bill was delayed. They don't go around stealing from their neighbors and don't teach their children to steal either.

There is no dominant criminal culture in Japan. There is in the US.

Why don't you come out and say it, they don't have them colored people like we do.

Come on, you'll feel better if you say it, you racist sack of crap.

This is horseshit. The Japanese and the Germans have the same problems we have when you have a lot of people shoved together in crowded circumstances. What they don't have are a lot of people with guns taking each other out.

no, but the Japs and Krauts sure are good at starting wars

 

[JoeB131]

no, but the Japs and Krauts sure are good at starting wars

And so are we... What is your point?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm sure you thought that this was being kind of clever, but the only way you get Japan to as much "violence" as the US is by throwing in the Suicides.

Forgetting in Japan, suicide is considered more socially acceptable as part of their culture through history. While Western societies teach suicide is a sin, Japanese culture considered it honorable.

Take out the sucides, and you have very little homicide in Japan, and very little of it committed with guns.

And this is not because they aren't exposed to the same violent influences we are. One can only watch some Anime and Manga that glorifies violence in a way American mediums wouldn't dream of.

Violent deaths.
That was my point.
Please don't redefine the issue for me.


Now....if you would like to argue that those who died by suicide are more copacetic with the result than those who died in other ways....go right ahead.


Not guns.....the insistence on psychotropic drugs by quacks who don't know what the result will be.

Nice attempt at changing the subject. Do you think they don't have a lot of youth on psychotropic drugs in the Land of the Rising Sun?

what they don't have is access to guns.

At least fourteen recent school shootings were committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs. It is important to note the following lists cases where the information about the shooters psychiatric drug use was made public. To give an example, although it is known that James Holmes, suspected perpetrator of the Aurora, Colorado movie theater shooting, was seeing psychiatrist Lynne Fenton, there has been no mention of what psychiatric drugs he may have been taking—though it is highly probably he was taking psychiatric drugs considering he was under a psychiatrist’s “care”. Also note that all these mass shootings didn’t just occur in the United States.

Of these 14, seven were seeing either a psychiatrist (5 of them) or psychologist (2 of them). It is not known whether or not the other half were seeing a psychiatrist, as it has not been published.

1. Huntsville, Alabama – February 5, 2010: 15-year-old Hammad Memon shot and killed another Discover Middle School student Todd Brown. Memon had a history for being treated for ADHD and depression. He was taking the antidepressant Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.” He had been seeing a psychiatrist and psychologist.

2. Kauhajoki, Finland – September 23, 2008: 22-year-old culinary student Matti Saari shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine. He was also seeing a psychologist.

3. Dekalb, Illinois – February 14, 2008: 27-year-old Steven Kazmierczak shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amount of Xanax in his system. He had been seeing a psychiatrist.

4. Jokela, Finland – November 7, 2007: 18-year-old Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School in southern Finland, then committed suicide.

5. Cleveland, Ohio – October 10, 2007: 14-year-old Asa Coon stormed through his school with a gun in each hand, shooting and wounding four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon had been placed on the antidepressant Trazodone.

6. Red Lake, Minnesota – March 2005: 16-year-old Jeff Weise, on Prozac, shot and killed his grandparents, then went to his school on the Red Lake Indian Reservation where he shot dead 7 students and a teacher, and wounded 7 before killing himself.

7. Greenbush, New York – February 2004: 16-year-old Jon Romano strolled into his high school in east Greenbush and opened fire with a shotgun. Special education teacher Michael Bennett was hit in the leg. Romano had been taking “medication for depression”. He had previously seen a psychiatrist.

8. Wahluke, Washington – April 10, 2001: Sixteen-year-old Cory Baadsgaard took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates and a teacher hostage. He had been taking the antidepressant Effexor.

9. El Cajon, California – March 22, 2001: 18-year-old Jason Hoffman, on the antidepressants Celexa and Effexor, opened fire on his classmates, wounding three students and two teachers at Granite Hills High School. He had been seeing a psychiatrist before the shooting.

10. Williamsport, Pennsylvania – March 7, 2001: 14-year-old Elizabeth Bush was taking the antidepressant Prozac when she shot at fellow students, wounding one.

11. Conyers, Georgia – May 20, 1999: 15-year-old T.J. Solomon was being treated with the stimulant Ritalin when he opened fire on and wounded six of his classmates.

12. Columbine, Colorado – April 20, 1999: 18-year-old Eric Harris and his accomplice, Dylan Klebold, killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 26 others before killing themselves. Harris was on the antidepressant Luvox. Klebold’s medical records remain sealed. Both shooters had been in anger-management classes and had undergone counseling. Harris had been seeing a psychiatrist before the shooting.

13. Notus, Idaho – April 16, 1999: 15-year-old Shawn Cooper fired two shotgun rounds in his school, narrowly missing students. He was taking a prescribed SSRI antidepressant and Ritalin.

14. Springfield, Oregon – May 21, 1998: 15-year-old Kip Kinkel murdered his parents and then proceeded to school where he opened fire on students in the cafeteria, killing two and wounding 25. Kinkel had been taking the antidepressant Prozac. Kinkel had been attending “anger control classes” and was under the care of a psychologist.

Note: Psychiatric Drugs Can Also Cause Severe Withdrawal Symptoms— Violent and Suicidal Thoughts –
Columbine

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm sure you thought that this was being kind of clever, but the only way you get Japan to as much "violence" as the US is by throwing in the Suicides.

Forgetting in Japan, suicide is considered more socially acceptable as part of their culture through history. While Western societies teach suicide is a sin, Japanese culture considered it honorable.

Take out the sucides, and you have very little homicide in Japan, and very little of it committed with guns.

And this is not because they aren't exposed to the same violent influences we are. One can only watch some Anime and Manga that glorifies violence in a way American mediums wouldn't dream of.

Violent deaths.
That was my point.
Please don't redefine the issue for me.


Now....if you would like to argue that those who died by suicide are more copacetic with the result than those who died in other ways....go right ahead.


Not guns.....the insistence on psychotropic drugs by quacks who don't know what the result will be.

Nice attempt at changing the subject. Do you think they don't have a lot of youth on psychotropic drugs in the Land of the Rising Sun?

what they don't have is access to guns.

Drugs is a likely explanation for the fact that Japan has almost 40% more suicides than the United States.



Psychotropic drugs: violence and suicide.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The New York State Senate recognized this as far back as 2000, introducing a bill which would “require police to report to the Division of Criminal Justice Services (DCJS), certain crimes and suicides committed by persons using psychotropic drugs,” citing “a large body of scientific research establishing a connection between violence and suicide and the use of psychotropic drugs.”

There have been 22 international drug regulatory warnings issued on psychiatric drugs causing violence, mania, hostility, aggression, psychosis, and other violent type reactions. These warnings have been issued in the United States, European Union, Japan, United Kingdom, Australia and Canada.

Op.Cit.

 

[Old Rocks]

It is guns that are killing people here in the US. Killing people at such a rate that if present trends continue, the deaths from gun violence will surpass the traffic deaths in less than three years.

And it is a particular type of weapon that is being used in most of the multiple shootings. High capacity semi-automatics, whether in pistols or rifles. These are assault weopons, designed for one purpose only, killing large numbers of people rapidly. They work well, we saw that at Sandy Hook.

So, how do we get them off of the street? Millions out there, cannot go house to house to search for them.

1. Require that you have to have the same license for an assault weopon as for a fully automatic weopon. If you are caught outside your home with said weapon, the gun is confiscated and destroyed, you go to jail, and have a felony count on your record.

If you sell or give the assault weapon to someone that does not have such a license, both you and the person receiving the gun are liable for felony counts.

2. If you store your guns irresponsilby, any type of gun, and it is taken and used in a crime, you own that crime.

 

[PoliticalChic]

It is guns that are killing people here in the US. Killing people at such a rate that if present trends continue, the deaths from gun violence will surpass the traffic deaths in less than three years.

And it is a particular type of weapon that is being used in most of the multiple shootings. High capacity semi-automatics, whether in pistols or rifles. These are assault weopons, designed for one purpose only, killing large numbers of people rapidly. They work well, we saw that at Sandy Hook.

So, how do we get them off of the street? Millions out there, cannot go house to house to search for them.

1. Require that you have to have the same license for an assault weopon as for a fully automatic weopon. If you are caught outside your home with said weapon, the gun is confiscated and destroyed, you go to jail, and have a felony count on your record.

If you sell or give the assault weapon to someone that does not have such a license, both you and the person receiving the gun are liable for felony counts.

2. If you store your guns irresponsilby, any type of gun, and it is taken and used in a crime, you own that crime.

Here's an alternative.....

....make every individual who authorizes psychotropic drugs take responsibility, so that if any 'patient' commits a murder, or commits suicide, the individual who authorized or prescribed said drug be imprisoned.



Guns rarely wander off on their own and shoot people.....

.....but those who do shoot people in mass shootings are always on psychotropic drugs.



Wise up.

 

[JoeB131]

At least fourteen recent school shootings were committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs. It is important to note the following lists cases where the information about the shooters psychiatric drug use was made public. To give an example, although it is known that James Holmes, suspected perpetrator of the Aurora, Colorado movie theater shooting, was seeing psychiatrist Lynne Fenton, there has been no mention of what psychiatric drugs he may have been taking—though it is highly probably he was taking psychiatric drugs considering he was under a psychiatrist’s “care”. Also note that all these mass shootings didn’t just occur in the United States.

Of these 14, seven were seeing either a psychiatrist (5 of them) or psychologist (2 of them). It is not known whether or not the other half were seeing a psychiatrist, as it has not been published.
]

So this is your excuse for not taking your meds like the doctor told you to?

 

[PoliticalChic]

At least fourteen recent school shootings were committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs. It is important to note the following lists cases where the information about the shooters psychiatric drug use was made public. To give an example, although it is known that James Holmes, suspected perpetrator of the Aurora, Colorado movie theater shooting, was seeing psychiatrist Lynne Fenton, there has been no mention of what psychiatric drugs he may have been taking—though it is highly probably he was taking psychiatric drugs considering he was under a psychiatrist’s “care”. Also note that all these mass shootings didn’t just occur in the United States.

Of these 14, seven were seeing either a psychiatrist (5 of them) or psychologist (2 of them). It is not known whether or not the other half were seeing a psychiatrist, as it has not been published.
]

So this is your excuse for not taking your meds like the doctor told you to?

Pretty breezy response.....
...the best you could come up with.



Mine is totally true.

Yours totally false.



But...that is our pattern, isn't it.

 

[JoeB131]

At least fourteen recent school shootings were committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs. It is important to note the following lists cases where the information about the shooters psychiatric drug use was made public. To give an example, although it is known that James Holmes, suspected perpetrator of the Aurora, Colorado movie theater shooting, was seeing psychiatrist Lynne Fenton, there has been no mention of what psychiatric drugs he may have been taking—though it is highly probably he was taking psychiatric drugs considering he was under a psychiatrist’s “care”. Also note that all these mass shootings didn’t just occur in the United States.

Of these 14, seven were seeing either a psychiatrist (5 of them) or psychologist (2 of them). It is not known whether or not the other half were seeing a psychiatrist, as it has not been published.
]

So this is your excuse for not taking your meds like the doctor told you to?

Pretty breezy response.....
...the best you could come up with.

Mine is totally true.

Yours totally false.

But...that is our pattern, isn't it.

Actually, what you did was draw a lot of inferences. About half were seeing a shrink, and about 22% of Americans are under some kind of psychiatric care. Considering these were disturbed young men, that's not really surprising.

That said, if they didn't have access to military grade weapons, high capacity magazines, body armor and high powered ammunition, they would not have been able to do as much damage as they did.

Take away their guns, problem solved. If the NRA and the gun fetishists can't come up with a practical way to keep guns out of the hands of people like this, then no one should have guns except people whose professions require them.

 

[Annie]

I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that the best, last defense is training and arming voluntary school staff:

An opinion on gun control « Monster Hunter Nation

An opinion on gun control

Posted on December 20, 2012 by correia45

...

I am now a professional novelist. However, before that I owned a gun store. We were a Title 7 SOT, which means we worked with legal machineguns, suppresors, and pretty much everything except for explosives. We did law enforcement sales and worked with equipment that is unavailable from most dealers, but that means lots and lots of government inspections and compliance paperwork. This means that I had to be exceedingly familiar with federal gun laws, and there are a lot of them. I worked with many companies in the gun industry and still have many friends and contacts at various manufacturers. When I hear people tell me the gun industry is unregulated, I have to resist the urge to laugh in their face.


I was also a Utah Concealed Weapons instructor, and was one of the busiest instructors in the state. That required me to learn a lot about self-defense laws, and because I took my job very seriously, I sought out every bit of information that I could. My classes were longer than the standard Utah class, and all of that extra time was spent on Use of Force, shoot/no shoot scenarios, and role playing through violent encounters. I have certified thousands of people to carry guns.

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Armed Teachers



So now that there is a new tragedy the president wants to have a “national conversation on guns”. Here’s the thing. Until this national conversation is willing to entertain allowing teachers to carry concealed weapons, then it isn’t a conversation at all, it is a lecture.

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No. Hear me out. The single best way to respond to a mass shooter is with an immediate, violent response. The vast majority of the time, as soon as a mass shooter meets serious resistance, it bursts their fantasy world bubble. Then they kill themselves or surrender. This has happened over and over again.


Police are awesome. I love working with cops. However any honest cop will tell you that when seconds count they are only minutes away. After Columbine law enforcement changed their methods in dealing with active shooters. It used to be that you took up a perimeter and waited for overwhelming force before going in. Now usually as soon as you have two officers on scene you go in to confront the shooter (often one in rural areas or if help is going to take another minute, because there are a lot of very sound tactical reasons for using two, mostly because your success/survival rates jump dramatically when you put two guys through a door at once. The shooter’s brain takes a moment to decide between targets). The reason they go fast is because they know that every second counts. The longer the shooter has to operate, the more innocents die.

(It still took the first responders 20 minutes to enter the CT school. When seconds count, the police are minutes away.)

However, cops can’t be everywhere. There are at best only a couple hundred thousand on duty at any given time patrolling the entire country. Excellent response time is in the three-five minute range. We’ve seen what bad guys can do in three minutes, but sometimes it is far worse. They simply can’t teleport. So in some cases that means the bad guys can have ten, fifteen, even twenty minutes to do horrible things with nobody effectively fighting back.


So if we can’t have cops there, what can we do?


The average number of people shot in a mass shooting event when the shooter is stopped by law enforcement: 14. The average number of people shot in a mass shooting event when the shooter is stopped by civilians: 2.5. The reason is simple. The armed civilians are there when it started.

The teachers are there already. The school staff is there already. Their reaction time is measured in seconds, not minutes. They can serve as your immediate violent response. Best case scenario, they engage and stop the attacker, or it bursts his fantasy bubble and he commits suicide. Worst case scenario, the armed staff provides a distraction, and while he’s concentrating on killing them, he’s not killing more children.



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When I was a CCW instructor, I decided that I wanted more teachers with skin in the game, so I started a program where I would teach anybody who worked at a school for free. No charge. Zip. They still had to pay the state for their background check and fingerprints, but all the instruction was free. I wanted more armed teachers in my state.


I personally taught several hundred teachers. I quickly discovered that pretty much every single school in my state had at least one competent, capable, smart, willing individual. Some schools had more. I had one high school where the principal, three teachers, and a janitor showed up for class. They had just had an event where there had been a threat against the school and their resource officer had turned up AWOL. This had been a wake up call for this principal that they were on their own, and he had taken it upon himself to talk to his teachers to find the willing and capable. Good for them.


After Virginia Tech, I started teaching college students for free as well. They were 21 year old adults who could pass a background check. Why should they have to be defenseless? None of these students ever needed to stop a mass shooting, but I’m happy to say that a couple of rapists and muggers weren’t so lucky, so I consider my time well spent.


Over the course of a couple years I taught well over $20,000 worth of free CCW classes. I met hundreds and hundreds of teachers, students, and staff. All of them were responsible adults who understood that they were stuck in target rich environments filled with defenseless innocents. Whether they liked it or not, they were the first line of defense. It was the least I could do.


Permit holders are not cops. The mistake many people make is that they think permit holders are supposed to be cops or junior danger rangers. Not at all. Their only responsibility is simple. If someone is threatening to cause them or a third person serious bodily harm, and that someone has the ability, opportunity, and is acting in a manner which suggest they are a legitimate threat, then that permit holder is allowed to use lethal force against them.


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Gun Free Zones

Gun Free Zones are hunting preserves for innocent people. Period.


Think about it. You are a violent, homicidal madman, looking to make a statement and hoping to go from disaffected loser to most famous person in the world. The best way to accomplish your goals is to kill a whole bunch of people. So where’s the best place to go shoot all these people?

Obviously, it is someplace where nobody can shoot back.



...

There were four mass killing attempts this week. Only one made the news because it helped the agreed upon media narrative.



1. Oregon. NOT a gun free zone. Shooter confronted by permit holder. Shooter commits suicide. Only a few casualties.
2. Texas. NOT a gun free zone. Shooter killed immediately by off duty cop. Only a few casualties.
3. Connecticut. GUN FREE ZONE. Shooters kills until the police arrive. Suicide. 26 dead.
4. China. GUN FREE COUNTRY. A guy with a KNIFE stabs 22 children.



And here is the nail in the coffin for Gun Free Zones. Over the last fifty years, with only one single exception (Gabby Giffords), every single mass shooting event with more than four casualties has taken place in a place where guns were supposedly not allowed.

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There actually seemed to be little panic going on in that school, the adults in charge did all they could with what had been deemed possible at that point. It seems to me that the Sandy Hook school had all the security they could: video monitoring, double door entering, office only enter. They did not allow the shooter through the first set of doors, he blasted his way in.

He shot in the administrative area and kept going. The principal, psychologist, and vice principal tried to rush him in a hall, probably diverting him for precious seconds or minutes. Two of them died. One was injured.

Inadvertently or not, the PA system forewarned teachers that something terrible was underway and procedures were followed. They kept the children from being in visual site through doors and windows. In the first grade classrooms this wasn't enough. The class that was totally eliminated was led by a 'permanent short-term sub' for a maternity leave. Was she given the same training as regular staff? Don't know. The second classroom hit was by the 'hero' teacher that used her body as a shield. 6 children still died, but by this time, 20 minutes after first call, first responders were through the doors and the shooter killed himself.

What more could be done? Adults had rushed a shooting man. Teachers did all they could to protect their kids.

What if the administrators were trained and had guns available? From all accounts he wore body armor, but a head or limb shot may have stopped some or all? What if when he busted into a room, the teacher was armed and fired?

 

[Annie]

Interesting that no one, right or left have seen fit to comment on this. Bump.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Interesting that no one, right or left have seen fit to comment on this. Bump.

Actually...this was my post #64....total agreement with your view...


1. In 2002 the Congress passed a law allowing airline pilots who so wish to be armed to take a course that would allow same.

2. How about states doing the same: training and allow teachers who so wish to do so. Clearly it works in Israel

3. Liberals have a religious belief that the gun is the cause....not people, not values....

a. Clinton disarmed the armed forces stationed at bases, e.g. the Fort Hood slaughter.
EDITORIAL: End Clinton-era military base gun ban - Washington Times

b. "After the September 11 attacks, commercial airline pilots were allowed to carry guns if they completed a federal-safety program. No longer would unarmed pilots be defenseless as remorseless hijackers seized control of aircraft and rammed them into buildings.
Now President Obama is quietly ending the federal firearms program, risking public safety on airlines in the name of an anti-gun ideology.
The Obama administration this past week diverted some $2 million from the pilot training program to hire more supervisory staff, who will engage in field inspections of pilots."
Obama Defunds Armed Pilots Program | Shall Not Be Questioned