No Prayer in Public Schools !

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    In 1963 the Supreme Court ruled no prayer in public schools.

    This has lead to many public schools not allowing Christians to pray at graduation ceremonies, to no prayers at sport events.
    The idea is that Public Schools can not sponsor a religion.

    But a public high school in Michigan which is 90% Muslim can.
    Fordson High School - not a peep about this any where in the news.
    No one is taking this on as a public school sponsoring a religion.
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkHO-D_fo6M]CBS: Muslims Students at Public School Pray Before Game - YouTube[/ame]

    Why is it that no one is taking this school to court?

    Then people wonder why christians are saying this is war against christianty.
     
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    Do you have a link or citation for this?
     
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    No they didn't. Kids can still pray in school if they want. What the SCOTUS said was as follows:

    Edward Schempp sued because the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania was requiring students to listen to and/or read portions of the Bible as part of their public education.
     
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    There have been plenty of lawsuits filed about prayers at graduations and sporting events all across this country, but you already knew that.
     
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    If the coach was leading the prayer, then it's "organized" and that's a "no no".

    If the students spontaneously pray, then "so what"?

    Did you notice, it was in the boy's locker room? No one was graduating. The right wing wants to turn this into a Christian police state. We can't let any religion do that. We have to fight the "occult".
     
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    It was 1962, Engel v Vitale and the ruling was against school required prayers. It was brought about by Christians: Unitarians.
    Students are perfectly free to pray if they want to.

    Based on the 1991 Supreme Court decision Lee v Weisman which was about a rabbi giving the graduation prayer. Rabbis are Jewish, not Christian.

    That was Santa Fe v Doe in 2000. Brought about by Catholic and Mormon Students.

    1st Ammendment establishment clause applied to the states via the 14th ammendment.

    You showed a prayer by the players before the game. Not a school required prayer, not a prayer at graduation or for the attendees at the game. Go to any high school in Texas, Nebraska, or anywhere that's majority Christian and you'll see locker room prayers by Christians.


    Because no one has complained. And if the prayers are solely by the players...not required or lead by the coaches...there's no legitimate complaint.
     
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    Your are right the first one was in 1962.
    I was referring to the 1963 Madelyn Murray O'Hare vs Curlett which was the 2nd ruling and she was an Atheist.
     
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    Murray v Curlett was decided as part of Abington v Schempp, and the Schempps were Unitarians.
     
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    This school is accommodating a religious rule of their football players during Ramadan.

    All-American Muslim: Football Practice During Ramadan : Video : TLC

    But Christian students can't wear crosses in some schools or prey openly in the lunchrooms and are being bombarded by law suits and individual school rules.

    On January 15, 2002, in Wilton, New York, kindergartener Kayla Broadus was stopped by her teacher from saying the "God is great, God is good" table prayer out loud with her friends before snack time.[9] The Saratoga Springs City school district sided with the teacher, claiming the prayer was a violation of the supposedly constitutional "separation of church and state."

    The point is that this High School is 90 to 95% Muslim and is a public school and they accommodate their religion.
    This is fine and they should be able to to so.
    But so should Christians be allowed to have their religious freedom as well, but they are not.
    From 2004 to 2006, a public school banned Bible study by children ... during recess. A teacher complained about the use of the Bible and the principal then censored the study activity, according to a sworn statement by a teacher told to stop it. Principal "Summa, having learned of a complaint by a teacher and of the students' Bible study, told fourth-grade teacher Virginia Larue to nix the group's recess meeting. Larue did, according to her deposition. In that sworn statement, Larue said she briefly informed Summa of a parental complaint about the Bible study, and Summa then instructed her to end the practice, citing fear over 'separation of church and state.' Larue later told one of Luke's Bible study colleagues the group could no longer meet at recess, according to the deposition."[10]

    In 2005, a New Jersey award-winning high school football coach, Marcus Borden, was ordered by his intolerant school district not to bow his head or "take a knee" during any player-initiated prayers. Borden resigned from coaching in October over the issue.

    It was perfectly fine for public schools to have open worship from the beginning of our nation until 1962.
    It is the point of the 1st amendment to Freedom of religion not shuting up religion.
     

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