No Peace With Palestinians

[MJB12741]

Here is a lesson in how to succeed in ending peace negotiations.



Bad Faith: Israel Provides Documents Showing Palestinians Planned To Blow Up Peace Talks

 

[jillian]

Here is a lesson in how to succeed in ending peace negotiations.



Bad Faith: Israel Provides Documents Showing Palestinians Planned To Blow Up Peace Talks

i suspect this would shock only the terrorist supporters.

 

[MJB12741]

Yes but what really ticks me off is how those Zionists want us to believe this endless conflict is entirely the fault of Palestinians. How those Zionists never admit their role in continuously fueling the conflict with peace offerings to Palestinians, a security fence & land concessions to Palestinians. Just look at the result of Israel's failed Zionist agenda with rocket missiles & no peace negotiations for a thank you.

Time for those Zionists in Israel to start treating the Palestinians with the same Arab country love, justice & respect the Palestinians are so well accustomed to & so well deserve. And never a complaint about it by the Palestinains or their supporters. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Here is a lesson in how to succeed in ending peace negotiations.



Bad Faith: Israel Provides Documents Showing Palestinians Planned To Blow Up Peace Talks

i suspect this would shock only the terrorist supporters.

 

[waltky]

Never was any great love affair between the Arabs & Palestinians...

Ex-Israeli intelligence chief says Arab countries ready to throw Palestinians to the dogs
Tuesday 10th January, 2017 - Many Arab countries are fed up with the Palestinians, a former head of the Israeli intelligence service Mossad has told The Jeruslaem Post.

Shabtai Shavit, who served as Director of the Mossad for eight years from 1989 to 1996 says countries such as Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan are ready to "throw the Palestinians to the dogs." In an interview with the 'Post Mr Shavit said the moderate Arab states are sick of the Palestinians, that they annoy them, and they have been living off their pockets for sixty years. It is 60 years this year since the Palestinian territories were seized and occupied by the Israeli army following the Six Day War in 1967.

The former Mossad chief says the attitude of the Arab states provides an opportunity for Israel to cement a deal with the Palestinians. “Today we have an interesting set up in the Middle East, and I see windows of opportunity to find a settlement, a long-term multilateral settlement,” he told The Jerusalem Post. He reiterated claims in recent years by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that Israel has been having back-channel talks with Arab states such as Saudi Arabia for years. He says these talks have accelerated in recent times, building on strong ties with Jordan and Egypt. "The common interests with the Saudis are like never before regarding Iran pursuing a nuclear capability and its supporting global jihad.”

“It is so simple. What is missing is just a little bit of goodwill and arm-twisting. All of the parameters for an agreement can be found among the Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Ehud Barak and Ehud Olmert proposals for a settlement, the solution is already there,” said Shavit. “I believe that Netanyah doesn’t want a binational state. I think that even though he wants a resolution, he can’t reach one because of where he sits and the position he is in. He can’t pass policies for a resolution” because of rightwing messianic religious Zionists, he said.

So how is a resolution possible? “First, we have to come to terms with the Americans regarding the Arab League’s Peace Initiative of 2002. Then America needs to go to the Saudis and to sell it to the Saudis, Egyptians, Jordanians, each separately, one on one, and present a full package,” the former Mossad head said. “The third stage will be selling the package to the Palestinians by this moderate Arab coalition. If they don’t agree, then we tried. We get lots of credit even if we are not successful because we took the initiative, we were proactive, we were ready to make concessions, and they are the bad guys. But what if it does succeed?”

Shavit went on to say the moderate Arab countries he had referred to are “fed up with the Palestinians and that since they have been supporting the Palestinians for so many years, they could go to Abu Mazen [Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas] and tell him, ‘Listen chump, this is the game plan,’ and explain what he has to gain and “why this is right, important and doable.” Then they would add, “but if you want to be stubborn, all of us will throw you to the dogs. The Palestinians annoy us, we are sick of you. You lived off our pockets for 60 years, you make trouble for everyone, no one can handle you. You got the best deal you can get. For the first time in history you will get an independent state and the U.S. stands behind it.”

Ex-Israeli intelligence chief says Arab countries ready to throw Palestinians to the dogs

 

[montelatici]

What he says is that Israel must accept the Arab League's 2002 Peace Initiative. The Palestinians would sign tomorrow. This is what it says:

"A. Complete withdrawal from the occupied Arab territories, including the Syrian Golan Heights, to the 4 June 1967 line and the territories still occupied in southern Lebanon.

B. Attain a just solution to the problem of Palestinian refugees to be agreed upon in accordance with the UN General Assembly Resolution No 194.

C. Accept the establishment of an independent and sovereign Palestinian state on the Palestinian territories occupied since 4 June 1967 in the West Bank and Gaza Strip with East Jerusalem as its capital.

In return the Arab states will do the following:

• Consider the Arab-Israeli conflict over, sign a peace agreement with Israel, and achieve peace for all states in the region

• Establish normal relations with Israel within the framework of this comprehensive peace"

BBC News | MEDIA REPORTS | Text: Beirut Declaration

 

[MJB12741]

What he says is that Israel must accept the Arab League's 2002 Peace Initiative. The Palestinians would sign tomorrow. This is what it says:

"A. Complete withdrawal from the occupied Arab territories, including the Syrian Golan Heights, to the 4 June 1967 line and the territories still occupied in southern Lebanon.

B. Attain a just solution to the problem of Palestinian refugees to be agreed upon in accordance with the UN General Assembly Resolution No 194.

C. Accept the establishment of an independent and sovereign Palestinian state on the Palestinian territories occupied since 4 June 1967 in the West Bank and Gaza Strip with East Jerusalem as its capital.

In return the Arab states will do the following:

• Consider the Arab-Israeli conflict over, sign a peace agreement with Israel, and achieve peace for all states in the region

• Establish normal relations with Israel within the framework of this comprehensive peace"

BBC News | MEDIA REPORTS | Text: Beirut Declaration

No no silly boy. What I am saying is Israel must learn to treat the Palestinians like their own Arab brothers in Arab countries do. You know like Jordan did to accomplish a lasting peace from Palestinians during during Black September if all else fails. Whatever it takes, LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

 

[Challenger]

Here is a lesson in how to succeed in ending peace negotiations.



Bad Faith: Israel Provides Documents Showing Palestinians Planned To Blow Up Peace Talks

Yeah, right...tell me again, what was Mossad's motto? Oh yes, "By way of deception, thou shalt make war."

 

[waltky]

Would be like askin' us...

... to give back the territory gained...

... in the Mexican-American War.

 

[fncceo]

Here is a lesson in how to succeed in ending peace negotiations.



Bad Faith: Israel Provides Documents Showing Palestinians Planned To Blow Up Peace Talks

Yeah, right...tell me again, what was Mossad's motto? Oh yes, "By way of deception, thou shalt make war."

You're quoting Sun-Tzu.

 

[Hollie]

What he says is that Israel must accept the Arab League's 2002 Peace Initiative. The Palestinians would sign tomorrow. This is what it says:

"A. Complete withdrawal from the occupied Arab territories, including the Syrian Golan Heights, to the 4 June 1967 line and the territories still occupied in southern Lebanon.

B. Attain a just solution to the problem of Palestinian refugees to be agreed upon in accordance with the UN General Assembly Resolution No 194.

C. Accept the establishment of an independent and sovereign Palestinian state on the Palestinian territories occupied since 4 June 1967 in the West Bank and Gaza Strip with East Jerusalem as its capital.

In return the Arab states will do the following:

• Consider the Arab-Israeli conflict over, sign a peace agreement with Israel, and achieve peace for all states in the region

• Establish normal relations with Israel within the framework of this comprehensive peace"

BBC News | MEDIA REPORTS | Text: Beirut Declaration

Of course, dear. The Islamist world will magically transform. All will be date palms and camel's milk as women will shed their Shame Sacks, ISIS will invite Hamas over for meatloaf and potatoes dinner and the sunni and shia will be taking long walks, feeding squirrels at the park....record scratch sound affect.... Oh, sorry, back to the islamo-beheadings.

 

[Manonthestreet]

If only they had accepted billy boys deal how much further along and better off would they be not to mention the suffering averted. Drive em out let them wander the EU like the current flood....EU loves em so much surely they would welcome them

 

[Eloy]

Would be like askin' us...

... to give back the territory gained...

... in the Mexican-American War.

Not so. When the United States made a land grab in 1848 there was no international law forbidding the acquisition of land thru war. This changed after the Second World War and was in place in 1967 when the Israelis moved into the West Bank, including East Jerusalem.

 

[waltky]

But the land was theirs...

... before the `67 war...

... they were fighting to hold onto...

... land that had already been recognized as theirs.

 

[Eloy]

But the land was theirs...

... before the `67 war...

... they were fighting to hold onto...

... land that had already been recognized as theirs.

I'm sorry to tell you that you are misinformed.

 

[Challenger]

Would be like askin' us...

... to give back the territory gained...

... in the Mexican-American War.

Not so. When the United States made a land grab in 1848 there was no international law forbidding the acquisition of land thru war. This changed after the Second World War and was in place in 1967 when the Israelis moved into the West Bank, including East Jerusalem.

It was formalised after WW2 but was part of the customary laws of war, much earlier.

 

[Challenger]

Here is a lesson in how to succeed in ending peace negotiations.



Bad Faith: Israel Provides Documents Showing Palestinians Planned To Blow Up Peace Talks

Yeah, right...tell me again, what was Mossad's motto? Oh yes, "By way of deception, thou shalt make war."

You're quoting Sun-Tzu.

Maybe, but also a version of Mossad's motto, which I note their PR has changed now so as to be more "palatable" to the international community. Their methods haven't changed though, misinformation, disinformation, hasbara, etc. Basically Zionists lie, period.

 

[RoccoR]

Challenger, et al,

The "Institute for Intelligence and Special Operations" (AKA: Mossad) is not a Political Organization or Zionist Activity in the sense it is devoted to the further expansion and development of a Jewish National Home and Israel. Mossad has no ambition except to protect the nation and its people.

• ORIGINAL MOTTO: "For by wise guidance you can wage your war"
• CURRENT MOTTO: "Where there is no guidance, a nation falls, but in an abundance of counselors there is safety."
​

One of the many lessons learned, almost universally, and implemented in various ways, was that there should be a coordinating apparatus for intelligence information and operations. For the United States, the CIA was authorize in 1947, for Israel the MOSSAD was created in 1949, and for the Soviet Union the KGB in 1954. While not organized the same, they each had similarities. One was, to the extent possible --- they would be as apolitical as possible. As most of these intelligence agencies were born in the shadow of major wars, the principle concern of that era and time was the "prevention of" or the "adequate defense" in wars.

Over time, they have each evolved and transformed on the last 50 years into a 21st Century; and in this regard another similarity is that they all (as do most other national intelligence organs throughout the world) perform these same functions in the production of Intelligence Products:

• Planning and Direction
• Collection
• Processing
• Analysis and Production
• Dissemination

Maybe, but also a version of Mossad's motto, which I note their PR has changed now so as to be more "palatable" to the international community. Their methods haven't changed though, misinformation, disinformation, hasbara, etc. Basically Zionists lie, period.

(COMMENT)

The general focus of nearly all such central coordination agencies is two-pronged; Mossad is no different:

•• To assemble and report on foreign information relating to the capabilities, intentions, or activities of governments or foreign organizations, and international terrorist activities.

•• To develop and maintain the means of gathering information, and the ability to conduct activities to protect against espionage, sabotage, or other intelligence activities, by foreign governments or proxies, and the ability to effectively neutralize these foreign intelligence threats and sources of international terrorism.
​

This has noting to do with the objectives revolving around movements for the re-establishment the development of the Jewish National Home and the State of Israel. This is an archaic view of Zionism. And while Zionism (like most forms of patriotism) have an element of self preservation --- Mossad is dedicated to the protection of the National Culture, the Preservation of its National Home, and its people through the dissemination of information on such concerns that may threaten their nation or sovereign integrity.

I have noticed that there are many, many people that confuse the fading Zionism Interests with the objective of Intelligence and Security missions of Mossad, as well as, the Aman and Shin Bet. The successful Intelligence and Counterintelligence Services of nearly every prosperous nation are not that dissimilar in goals and objective. They should not be confused with political direction and foreign policy.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Would be like askin' us...

... to give back the territory gained...

... in the Mexican-American War.

Not so. When the United States made a land grab in 1848 there was no international law forbidding the acquisition of land thru war. This changed after the Second World War and was in place in 1967 when the Israelis moved into the West Bank, including East Jerusalem.

It was also illegal when Israel rolled through Palestine in 1948 stealing land.

 

[Phoenall]

Would be like askin' us...

... to give back the territory gained...

... in the Mexican-American War.

Not so. When the United States made a land grab in 1848 there was no international law forbidding the acquisition of land thru war. This changed after the Second World War and was in place in 1967 when the Israelis moved into the West Bank, including East Jerusalem.

And when did this international law come into existence then, all you need do is look and post the venue and date of it becoming law. Anything before that date is not covered, anything after is valid.

You might make yourself wonder how many other laws dont actually exist

 

[Phoenall]

But the land was theirs...

... before the `67 war...

... they were fighting to hold onto...

... land that had already been recognized as theirs.

I'm sorry to tell you that you are misinformed.

Why because you say so as you ignore international laws that apply to Israel and gives them rights. The LoN formalised a treaty in 1922 that set in stone the land areas of the only two nations not to exist in the former Ottoman empire. This became law and created for the future Jordan and Israel, so why do you only recognise one part of the law ?